MHAZE,
Marcot's paper showed early Holocene warming that is massively dwarfed by our warming by 2050. Conclusion? Nature has her own climate drivers, and has survived "warm" periods before. Marcot's warning us that we're pushing her out of "warm" into "scalding hot". Do you deny this? Also, we were hunter gatherers back then, not a huge agricultural civilisation using 40% of the land of earth to feed ourselves. Ecosystems can't migrate the way they used to, and we're running out of places to grow food.

Then the Nature paper I linked to questions all previous proxie interpretations and is a peer-reviewed paper saying it HASN'T been warmer than today since the Holocene began. This is a study for Nature, not one of your piss-ant denialist fraudster sites. NATURE!

You have been repeatedly caught linking to fossil fuel funded fraudsters and liars. I will not read such crap! Or, I will, but only when I choose to, like when I watch a Willie Soon youtube for a laugh. Why are Deniers like you are attracted to these people?

If you want me to read what you think is a legitimate paper, find it on a decent site! I'm not wasting my time with your anti-science crap. I've followed enough tinfoil hat nut-jobs like yourself down enough rabbit holes in the past only to discover retarded cherrypicking or clever half truths or outright lies. We both know I'm not 'ignoring data'. ;-) So at least put a TINY bit of effort into looking credible by quoting credible sources not retarded crap.

Also, your attempt at bagging a bit of bad hyperlinking by the ABC was a real "Der" moment. Most people know that the climate physicists determined the carbon budget in gigatons to prevent 2 degrees YEARS ago.

Here's Bill McKibben summarising the IPCC from a few years back on 2 degrees and he shows us how to "Do the Math!" on the amount of fossil fuels left.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KtGg-Lvxso&feature=emb_logo

Some classic quotes from Dr James Hansen.

4 degrees would be WAY bad!
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2013/jul/10/james-hansen-fossil-fuels-runaway-global-warming

"He then launches in some tirade about some movie and Monckton. I didn't mention either but somehow he's decided that these represent my views. There's that logic thingy again...or lack thereof."

You really have pathetic powers of comprehension don't you, or is that just your memory failing? Or maybe it's a problem with context? Here's the link. http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=8989#296053

I even acknowledged that some in the AGW movement might have interests and political proclivities that don't have much to do with the science, and said I was open to a number of socio-political models as long as we solved climate change. I then did a COMPARE AND CONTRAST which you missed, saying that yes, even though some in the AGW movement might be ardent socialists, so what? That doesn't disprove the science, and then to compare to AGW's socialist I said...

"Because you guys can't keep your own story straight!"

But how wonderfully narcissistic of you to assume I was talking about you! No dude. Click the link above, have another read, because I was not talking about you. I was talking about some of the more popular leaders in climate Denial and how their political conspiracies don't just fail to match up, but outright contradict each other.

After all, you had a go at political statements in AGW leaders, so I was having a go at CONFLICTING CONSPIRACY political statements in the tinfoil hat world.

Seriously, are you that mentally incapacitated that you thought I was talking about you? Are you getting enough sleep? Or is making it about you your way of just trying to shrug off how utterly INSANE your leaders are?

Dear Max Green,

mhaze is laughing at you. you are doing exactly what he wants.

tell him you know that it is greed and self-interest that motivates him and that he wouldn't accept the science anyway for the simple fact that he doesn't know what scientists are saying.

he's only interested in how much money he can put into his bank account from his investments in the fossil fuel industry.

Try this, promise it will be fun!
In twelve months re-find this thread, explore and find a few others with the same concerns
Yes 12 months, not all that far in to our future maybe I will still be around to take part in it
See by then fewer anti man made climate change fraudsters will be seen
By then [just think if it was ten years] we will see very real action world wide, has started
What if the Australian drought has not broken by then
What if it is symptomatic of our new climate?

"What if the Australian drought has not broken by then
What if it is symptomatic of our new climate?"
I sincerely hope not Belly, that would seem too early. Climate change loads the dice against us, but weather remains a chaotic system and I don't think we're in the right climate for this to be the new normal for weather. Yet. Hopefully soon we'll roll a double 6 with a strong La Nina and abundant rain coming down from that wonderful warm water in the Pacific bringing us extra rain, and maybe even a few floods. Both the Pacific, Indian, and Southern ocean Dipols had to all line up for this freaky weather system to give us Snake Eyes.

But that ABC piece I linked to above said that in just 20 years the weather 'dice' or extra atmospheric heat imbalance will be rolling Snake Eyes more often than not. It will start to become the new normal. I'll be in my 70's by then. But I wonder if our kids and grandkids will be campaigning for more Desal so they can keep Sydney green, even if it costs a little bit more?

"The Sydney Desalination Plant is now operating. This means the water usage charge increased from $2.11 to $2.24 on 1 October 2019."
http://www.sydneywater.com.au/SW/accounts-billing/understanding-your-bill/prices-for-your-home/index.htm

What if there were a stepped system a bit like our tax system where higher users paid proportionally higher rates? Maybe there could be rebates for certain water critical industries, etc, but I'm talking about the average home rates. I'm wondering how we're going to keep Sydney green, and when we'll have the conversation about a second, third, maybe fourth desal unit, especially as our population rises?

Max Green me too, but I have lived long enough to see some things we once saw often not around now
The famous southerly buster rarely has much left when it gets here
Droughts are closer together and rain sometimes comes by the inch, [not for a few years] at the wrong time of the year
My link showing maps of NSW fires near me, is stunning and Queensland is not much better
Still I walked in my once damp yard yesterday leaves are dropping even natives are doing it as the dry gets worse
Sydney press is full of damn this smoke complaints from poor petals , best they not drive around here forest blacked homes lost lives destroyed