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The Evolution of World Politics

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It has started, riots or mass protests in Hong Kong Spain Asia the sub continent,Africa
Right wing governments spreading including Poland Hungry and Europe
Politics is evolving, and changing
A left government will never rule this country, maybe England, without a total depression
So? the not conservative party's must evolve to ever govern
That screams look at our last election,workers rejected their own best interests
I have huge respect for Paul, once his party, but evidence is there, just look, purely left party's get no more than one in ten votes
So the policy's need to change party's need to respect the voters wishes
If we get a run I intend to list the policy's that we must change to return a non conservative government here and world wide
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 3:54:58 PM
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No Belly, the north of Brisbane workers who rejected the catastrophe that was labor policies were very aware of the duplicity of the Labor they rejected.

They could see Labor trying to buy Green votes by avoiding a decision on the mine, but trying the wink wink, we'll do it after the election.

They did not like the totally dishonest way Shorten tried to get both, or his idiot socialist policies. That meant Labor lost an election that was theirs for the taking after the Libs Turnbull fiasco. Thank heavens we avoided a catastrophe.

Then we saw Albo on TV, sitting like a stunned mullet, muttering "it's early days yet", long after the result was obvious.

With the people forcing the socialists to backdown in France & Holland right now, & the Eastern Europeans refusing to obey the socialist EU on migration, & the great Trump, I think there is an ongoing rebellion against the socialists, & the right just might win.

If the sun continues on our side unmasking the global warming scam by cooling, we will win against the odds, thank our lucky stars.
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 10:34:08 PM
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Paul, maybe even Foxy, will dislike my views here
But firmly see them as the only path back to government
Hasbeen highlights for me one of my points, *The Greens are used by Conservatives against Labor, and it works*
Labor get their preferences, not all some, but we get a very good number from one nation too
So some things I propose will see western Liberal party's [not related to our use of that word] will drive small numbers away
Coal, right now a policy demanding we no longer use it, instantly stop, is madness
In time, not yet but not far away, we will
Price, nothing else, as like it or not other power becomes available will kill coal
Sell it while we can or others will, count the numbers who want us to do great harm to our economy
Face this truth,if the not conservative party's do not rethink much they only ensure conservative government for a very long time
Much to say but want to see others input so to wrap it up
Isolate some of the rights weapons by moving in to their now vacant ground
EG raise welfare but,and firmly but, zero tolerance for ANY fraud in that area, no not more robo dept more true policing of true fraud
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 5:08:26 AM
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*The Greens are used by Conservatives against Labor, and it works*
Belly,
What ??
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 5:44:09 AM
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Dear Belly,

We've got a few issues of public policy that seem
to bedevil Australia. Just to name a few -
water management, the ageing of the population, energy,
lifting Aboriginal people into the mainstream of Australian
life. We have a system of government where powers are
divided between different levels of Government which discharge
separate responsibilities in designated areas.

In theory this allows various governmental services to
be provided by the level of Government closest to the
people. This should strengthen Government accountability and
improve service delivery. This system should be a check on
power or tyranny. It divides power so that the different levels
of Government check and balance each other.

Unfortunately there appears to be no clear delineation
between the powers of the Commonwealth and the states.
The public is unsure about who is responsible for which
services. Accountability suffers. Even in those areas that are
clearly state responsibilities, the states usually blame
any failure on the fact that they have not been given enough
funding by the Commonwealth.

Perhaps we need to look at how to overcome this problem.
More Commonwealth interference? Not sure if that would be
popular but perhaps worth debating.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 10:16:35 AM
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cont'd ...

Dear Belly,

Wouldn't it be great if we could keep politics out
of public service. If politicians remembered that
they are public servants - and that their loyalties
are to the public not their party. That if policies
that are good for the country and people - should
be supported no matter who suggests them. That good policies
are worthy of support. Keep politics out of it.
Good governance matters. It should not be a football
club mentality.

Public service not party politics.

That could be the slogan for the next election.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 10:36:26 AM
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Foxy my view remains, not conservative party's, world wide, need to learn to count
Some policy, we think is great, is rejected by many more than those supporting it
The whole purpose of politics is to TRY to sell your policy's at an election
Labor took good policy, massively more than it should have, to an election it thought it had already won
Labor HEARTLAND saw 20 percent swing against it
Because the electorate in numbers too big to ignore, are not yet ready to give up coal
Europe, soon, very soon, will react to refugees migrants, and elect even more right wing governments
We who fear that, must understand we have failed in trying to lead the voters
So let us try following them, take the center left vacant by the right
Only from within government can we introduce fairness
Sitting out side smirking because we have the best policy's constantly rejected by voters is mad
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 10:54:53 AM
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Dear Belly,

Labor did not explain their policies well at
the last election. They did not have a good
communicator as a leader. And they need someone
like Chris Bowen who at least sounds like he knows
what he's talking about. Mr Albanese doesn't cut it.
With him as leader - Labor will again lose.

You can have the best policies, but unless you have
someone as leader who can sell them - forget it.

Scott Morrison was a better salesman.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 11:03:34 AM
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cont'd ...

I forgot to add - it's just as well that Pauline
Hanson is so stupid. If One Nation was to get
a more intelligent, dynamic leader - things
would really take off. We're lucky she's so
completely inept.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 11:05:35 AM
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Hey Belly,

I learned there were mass protests going in about a dozen countries over 2 weeks ago from one of the youtube channels I regularly watch;
- Only I didn't know exactly which countries were involved or the order of these events;
And I also don't know the current status - whether they're ongoing or resolved or what have you;

The only thing I did know is that there was an attempted US backed regime change going on in Iraq.
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/the-us-led-coup-attempt-in-iraq-may-further-weaken-that-country.html

"So the policy's need to change party's need to respect the voters wishes"

I think it's about time people addressed the BIG FAT elephant in the room.

Look at Labors policies over the last decade or so;
It seems as though they never cared about the citizens too much in the first place.
I seems to me their platform isn't built on a basis of what the citizens want;
But moreover their platform is based on what the UN wants.

Look at what Kev's up to for example.
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2019/10/kevin-rudd-on-climate-change-development-and-trade.htm

Would I be wrong to say most of your parties policies are based on 'imposing UN Sustainable Development Goals' upon national citizens?

'National Democracy V's International Democracy'
I've spoken about this before, that I think that in a 2 party system where one party is effectively an immigrant / globalism platform is really not 'national democracy' at all.
It's more along the lines of 'International democracy being imposed upon nation states';
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 11:56:14 AM
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[Cont.]

So now for that elephant...

Do we really have any say in our future?
Do we really have democracy or are we just a vassal state of the UN?;
All these goals and international treaties meaning everything's already been decided?

How are we supposed to meet all these 'global contracts and obligations' whilst claiming we have democracy and still decide our own future?
They're making us sign plans 30 years in advance.
Who's deciding our future them or us?

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/sep/12/scott-morrison-wont-attend-un-climate-summit-despite-being-in-the-us

"Guardian Australia reported in July that the UN secretary general, António Guterres, as a prelude to the special climate summit on 23 September, had written to all heads of state, including Australia, asking countries to outline plans to achieve net zero emissions by 2050.

I do agree with you regards policy.
Now more than ever you need to get and get them right.
But firstly you have to change the ideology that places the UN ahead of the citizens.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 12:02:38 PM
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I remain a true Labor foot solider, forever
But any underline any, look at our travels in the past 60 years will prove we moved in to past Liberal grounds
Think with me on this, Foxy rightly says scomo sold him self better
BUT we did far worse
Right now this believer in man made climate change, unshakable in my belief, has some thing to say
In NSW right now, new mines have been rejected [changes coming] because of the effects of burning coal, IN THE COUNTRY WE SELL TO
We must support new fuels, give grants, but if we do not sell coal some one else will
Coal will no longer be used but not by idiotic rules like that
Voters want to know who is coming to this country, the do not in numbers big enough to count want endless growth
World wide the biggest single driver of right wing politics is refugees/migration
Soon if we do not hear voters, we will be isolated by this issue forever be the opposition not the government
Voters drive politics
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 12:24:20 PM
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Dear Belly,

I'm not questioning what you're saying and the points
that you're making about coal and immigration.
What I am trying to say is - Labor needs a more
dynamic leader to be able to convince the voters.
At present - that's something that's lacking.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 2:30:26 PM
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I like the ads popping up on TV telling us how Scumo and his boys are trying to keep the truth from the public.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 6:45:37 PM
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Dear Foxy,

Do you actually believe that Scumo fell over the line at the last minute because the favourite crashed out for some mysterious reason that only God can explain?

Truth is that Labor lost the federal election because (1) Scumo told voters who were intending to vote Labor that he would give them $1,000 via their tax returns if he got in, which is paramount to buying votes; (2) someone bankrolled Clive Palmer for the purpose of retrieving 80% of the LNP votes that were headed towards Labour candidates in Queensland.

Why do think Scumo is holding on to the $11 billion dollar surplus? That's his slush fund to buy votes at the next federal election. It's not about the economy, it's all about Scumo.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 7:04:50 PM
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Foxy and every one, Labor, for the very reasons I have put here, needs policy review not leadership
Right now the left of my party is the best thing Conservatives have going for them
That true left will never have the numbers to control the party
Right now they have embarked on [and do not understand it] killing any chance we have of returning to government
Albo is walking a tight rope, he knows he must try to keep us focused on reform and change
But is confronted by true left unions trying to force us even further away from voters
Our path cannot be to stay weighed down by policy that see,s the middle leave us as untrustworthy
World politics will, as it must, see adoption of some once Conservative ground
To take away weapons used again and again against us
Areas such as refugees migration welfare education health care aged care need another form of government ,we should be that government
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 24 October 2019 6:02:07 AM
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Dear Belly,

Australia is one of the few nations in the region
that is a signatory to the Refugee Convention and
has an orderly refugee intake. It also has a
multi-cultural citizenship. A society that welcomes
new migrants and their diversity. The Labor Party
needs to recognise this and not pay attention to
the minority voices in the community who still live
in the past. The Liberals are disintegrating.
And Labor needs to stand alone and not follow suit
or it too will end up on the ash heap of history.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 24 October 2019 9:24:26 AM
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Well how many truly are unconcerned at boat people arriving
How many vote based on their fear of this issue
Labor had the answer, one most of the world will adopt, we called it the Malaysian solution
It needed expanding, world wide, in that the country agreeing to take them be subsidized to take those who dumped all identity papers in the sea
Any honest look will find such policy, would end boat arrivals
Remember the right is rising, it will continue to, and have policy's full of good intentions, but voters reject, is not a sound policy
This morning the far left, no more than five percent of the party, are verbally flogging Albo, over that idiot CFMEU thug mud sticks
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 24 October 2019 10:40:32 AM
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Well on starting this thread I had in mind beating the rise of the right world wide
Doing that can be threatening even to me
Some issues are used against us, those issues in my view need us to present a better option
world wide
Social welfare, it will, even is, being rewritten
Scomo warns us future pensioners can not rely on the pension,
We see robo debt and cash card in action, more than often against the wrong people
A start, to real reform must come, we not conservatives must confront the truth, if we do not do it some thing not nice will be imposed on us
Superannuation, give the fifteen percent, not the proposed drop to ten point two
Make every worker contribute two percent, for a future pension
Insurance given to that extra so sickness or forced early retirement , even unemployment is paid for
Ensure no end of work spend up puts them back on the public purse
One of many different paths that could bring the middle back from the getting further right
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 24 October 2019 2:22:47 PM
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Dear Belly,

Albo did the right thing with that CFMEU thug.
Tossing him out was the right thing to do.
That man should have been tossed out with a
vengeance from the party a long time ago.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 24 October 2019 2:23:33 PM
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Over the weekend story's popped up telling ex Labor voters vote now for one nation
Preference counts warned me long ago this is true
Too a story in this mornings SMH warns the coming result of Labors navel gazing report on the last election may be a wet rag
Do not however jump for joy if you are conservative
Primary for both sides should warn both sides, they have lost followers and are no longer trusted
My view, change is needed remains, if not a single post follows mine, my point is still my point, only chasing the voters who do not vote for you can save Labor
You can say the same for Conservatives
But that is not true, unless Labor right now, stops trying to keep votes it already owns, and begins to chase the ones it never has had
Australians, the western world, do not respect or trust politicians, that truth will one day bring about the change I seek
Posted by Belly, Monday, 28 October 2019 5:11:59 AM
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