mhaze true best wishes look for you soon
Poling, wish we could trust it
Seems after we hung up our hard phone lines our pollsters got it very wrong
But if my wandering around very many market days, talking to ex work mates and just mates is any measure we need to know
HURTS but see they told me things I did not want to hear
They are concerned about PC small groups trying to enforce things on the rest of us
Is it not true? learn from history but do not hide it
We must learn from our past but bury it?
Test, informed folk know Japan has hidden its ww2 history from its kids at school
Should they
No way they should

Foxy,

Cook did none of those things and to assert so shews either a callous disregard for the truth or an abysmal ignorance of history; Cook didn't give any guns to the Aboriginals, nor did he dispossess them of anything, nor did he pass on any disease, etc, to blame Cook for things that happened after his death is stupid.

He also brought ropes with him, you would blame him for any subsequent suicides by hanging?
He had sugar on board as well, let's blame him for subsequent tooh decay and ill health?

mhaze,

Best of luck and a speedy recovery.

mhaze,

All the best with your procedure.

Wishing you well.

Hi Mhaze,

Best of luck, mate. See you back here soon :)

Paul,

In your initial post, you make the conceptual mistake of confusing political sovereignty with land tenure: Cook proclaimed the sovereignty of the British Crown over NSW. This didn't mean that he was also claiming British ownership of all land. In British imperialist territories in Africa, Malaya, Cyprus. Ceylon, etc., British sovereignty was claimed, but land tenure systems were recognised as they stood. Or at least, so C.K. Meek claimed in his 1940s "Land Law and Custom in the Colonies", extracts of which are on my web-site: www.firstsources.info . [Thanks for the opportunity, Paul :) ]

The British grappled for decades over how to understand and recognise the Indigenous land tenure system, given that Aboriginal people here were foragers, hunter/gatherers. It took the British authorities back in London around sixty years to explicitly formulate their recognition - as they saw it - of the rights of Aboriginal people to use the land as they always had done. Those rights were implicit earlier in the foundation documents of SA (and in instructions to various NSW governors earlier still). But those over-arching rights still exist in SA's environment and pastoral legislation, alongside of federal native title legislation.

Now, native title recognises and extends those land tenure rights as vaguely akin to freehold rights across Australia, if attached to groups rather than individuals. Notice that, if you or I owned a freehold property, the various levels of government would still have sovereignty: you and I would come fully under the law at each level, federal, State and local. But conversely, under usual circumstances, no government could impinge on our rights to the title of our property.

Anyway, to get back to the topic: like it or not (and I don't, particularly), the occupation or invasion or settlement of Australia was inevitable: no other imperialist, or would-be imperialist, power since the eighteenth century would have left Australia alone. That's how it is. No gnashing of teeth or cursing the past 230 years can change that.

Yes ? No ?

Joe

Is Mise,

This is taken from the web for your information:

"Prior to British settlement more than 500
Indigenous groups inhabited the Australian
continent, approx. 750,000 people in total.
Their cultures developed over 60,000 years,
making Indigenous Australians the custodians
of the world's most ancient living culture.
Each group lived in close relationship with the
land and had custody over their own country."

"In 1770 during his first Pacific voyage
Lieutenant James Cook claimed possession of the
east coast of Australia for the British Crown.
Upon his return to Britain, Cook's reports inspired
the authorities to establish a penal colony in the
newly claimed territory. The new colony was
intended to alleviate over crowding in British prisons,
expand the British Empire, assert Britain's claim to
the territory against other colonial powers and
establish a British base in the global South."

" In 1788, Captain Arthur Phillip and 1,500 convicts, crew,
marines, and civilians arrived at Sydney Cove. In the 10
years that followed, it's estimated that the Indigenous
population of Australia was reduced by 90%. Those main
reasons for the dramatic population decline were:

1) The introduction of new diseases.
2) Settler acquisition of Indigenous lands.
3) Direct and violent conflict with the colonists."

There's more on the web including in Britannica but the
facts remain that the colonisation of Australia had a
devastating impact on Indigenous people who had lived
on the land for thousands of years and things began
to change with Captain James Cook's claiming possession
of the east coast of this country for the British Crown.