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The Forum > General Discussion > Australia a basket case on too many fronts. Matt Barry CEO Freelancer.com.

Australia a basket case on too many fronts. Matt Barry CEO Freelancer.com.

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Hey Paul1405,
Yes it was a poor choice of words in the heat of the moment.
My apologies to all.

10 billion is just the amount they exceeded in their forecast.
I'm not sure what the total was, but 18% to 25% is not expected to be repaid.

How much is that every year?
Yet those same people want to close streets and power generation down.
I say we should not spend a cent on the ones who don't complete their studies and become a benefit to the nation for the nations investment.

We'd be better off spending the money on new ideas for clean energy creation to shut the big-mouthed little upstarts up than to flush it down the toilet.
We've already taken money from a clean energy fund to spend dealing with waste instead.

I'm not necessarily opposed to their protesting;
- But if you're not a voter go home -

I suppose I'm opposed to them doing it on the back of government funding.
Pay for their course, pay for them to keep a roof over their head and food on their table while studying and how do they repay us, stop the workers who do pay tax from getting to work and shut down energy making all businesses and citizens in this country less able to make ends meet.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 14 October 2019 11:36:58 AM
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Paul as usual you have it totally wrong.

What we need is to first cut the number of bureaucrats in half. Then we need to reduce their wages by half for the majority, & by 3/4 for all the senior way over paid bunch.

Then we need to reduce their pension to the age pension, so they are suitably reimbursed for their effort in their wasted lives. This would not only save more money, but inject some justice into the system.
Posted by Hasbeen, Monday, 14 October 2019 11:38:11 AM
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Hey Aiden,
The difference between 'incompetence' and 'Cloward and Piven' as I refer to it would be 'intent'.
It's the same distinction we make in regards to manslaughter or murder.
Accidentally killing someone is not the same as deliberately killing someone, even though the result is much the same.

Also, by definition it cannot be an 'investment' if there's no return on that investment. If they don't finish their studies, repay the loan and pay tax in Australia there's no return on that particular investment. It's essentially just a waste of money that would be better spent elsewhere.

I'll also meet you halfway with Freelancer.com
Whilst he may not himself produce anything, he probably is producing tax for the Australian government, and helping Australians match jobs with skills which also results in increased national employment and tax paid to the government.
It's better that he be based in Australia and pays tax here, than Australians using foreign owned apps where our money goes overseas, like Uber or Air BnB.
If his business is based here overseas money also potentially comes here instead.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 14 October 2019 11:54:29 AM
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Hassy, how about we just cut off all those old folk with their snouts in the trough. The reality is they are no more of use, non producers, never will be again. They are simply a burden on society, how about you? I know Issy falls into that category.

Of course I'm not going to see the old folks starving to death, no way! There is the 'vegie patch' program, all those at Seniors Boot Camp, will graduate with a packet of bean seeds and the knowledge of how they can grow them for a feed, in their newly established self sufficient backyard vegie patch, next to the new chook shed. Its all win win with my plan!
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 14 October 2019 1:21:55 PM
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Armchair, your definition of "investment" is too narrow. A highly skilled workforce is one of the best investments we can make in our nation's future. It's what prevents us from becoming a third world country. The direct financial return is far less important - indeed most European countries don't even try to achieve a direct financial return on university education.
Posted by Aidan, Monday, 14 October 2019 3:23:16 PM
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When you need money you don't ask the poor
You wanted a national disability scheme....you got it
You wanted parental leave....you got it
You wanted safety standards on all fronts bordering on fantasy....you got it....and on and on.
Everything granted simply reduced social responsibility
Gambling ripped the guts out of the country.
But no one objected to more football sports stadiums
Society as a whole contributed to the present scenario and the best one can come up with is get rid of the non contributor pensioners who were conned from the start by being told to work hard, pay your taxes and the system will look after you.
You want somewhere to start, get rid of rental assistance and you'll see a lot of real estate become available.
Get rid of the pollies forever handout schemes after they've filled their pockets.
Start voting for individuals who represent a point of view and have something to contribute.
First past the post, no bulls..t preferences.....if the voter can't commit they shouldn't be voting.

Summary.....society got what it deserves....too late to start bitching now
Posted by Special Delivery, Monday, 14 October 2019 8:11:39 PM
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