Shadow Minister and Steelredux yes very true, in fact most knew Hillary was not the right candidate
But we thought, the world thought, even she could trounce Trump
In talking about him, we should not ignore that, or throw away the truth, the wrong candidate can deliver him a second term
And in that truly weird thing American politics calls system, the wrong candidate is a possibility
We should, all, from both sides, understand American voters are even less informed than ours
That is just the way Trump/Murdock wants it to be
Right now Trump is looking like a true idiot, threats that even we know he has no intention of carrying out
War using world trade, a stunning can be crippling, development
He will not be re-elected, he may end his life in prison
Or Nixon like, do a deal then leave

SR,

The prosperity of the last 3 decades has largely been due to free trade and opening up the economy and the FTAs which have all been opposed by labor have generated zero of the risks of the Labor scare campaigns and delivered lifestyle increases for least fortunate greater than any equivalent time in Aus history. And P.S. Trickle down theory died in the 80s along with Soviet Union, and like communism exists only in the fuddled minds of old socialists.

As for the half decent opponent for Trump, in my mind that is only Biden. However, Warren seems to be rapidly gaining ground and well ready to over take old Joe. If that is the case the democrats are at serious risk of losing the middle ground.

Shadow Minister it is fear of Trump, thinking/knowing he has weakened the west
That brings about my threads about the man
Pre ww 2 many warned that Japan was a very real danger, many laughted at them for doing so
China has used the man to push for even more power
Russia, now a dictatorship of international criminals, has even helped them selves, by helping him win office
World trade gets your support yet you seem to champion the very man who may kill it
World trade needs, but never has had, a level playing field, yes Trump has a point, but he cares nothing for anyone other than his part of the once United States of America

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-15/donald-trump-support-cracking-impeachment-will-reveal-real-base/11599098
Opinions other than Fox exist, this is on of many, free to read and it it telling
Trump by his yes no yes again, giving Turkey the right to invade Syria, then trying to stop it, should concern educated people
Russia and Syria win
Time maybe to truly look at written opinion, from no small number of metal health experts, that Trump is showing sings of mental instability

Belly,

There are also opinions outside the ABC.

Shadow Minister, well been watching news reel films of ww2 some clearly propaganda from our side
And as it is a hobby to renew my understanding of those times it is not the first time I have seen them
Have several hundred hours mostly American made
Hitler, much like Trump,told lie after lie, but his followers fell for every one
A world exists out side the Fox phony world, lie factory
Yes the ABC is not perfect, it houses bias from both sides of politics
But the Fox/Trump/right of reality never let truth get in the way of profit
Fake News is a plan, it is made and used to hide truth and it is working, after Trump[ if Warren is his opponent that will be after he wins again] we will hear much more about the constructed lie factory Fox