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Trump near the end?

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Every morning the news about Trump starts with his latest tweets
It should be enough to question the sanity of his supporters
He has me both rolling on the floor laughing and wanting to scream at those ignoring he is unfit to be a gate keeper at the White House
Posted by Belly, Friday, 11 October 2019 6:42:30 AM
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Wow.

So Lindsay Graham gets pranked by a couple of Russian comedians posing as the Turkish Minister of Defense.
http://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/10/lindsey-graham-trump-hoax-call-043991

In it “Graham also mentions Trump’s personal interest in a “Turkish bank case” in the call that appears to refer to a U.S. case involving Reza Zarrab, an Iranian-Turkish gold trader and client of Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani.”

So why the interest in a case that Giuliani tried to lobby Trump on two years ago?

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“And this case involving the Turkish bank, he’s very sensitive to that,” Graham said of Trump. “The president wants to be helpful, within the limits of his power.”

According to U.S. prosecutors, Zarrab and others used the Turkish bank Halkbank to “launder billions of dollars-worth of Iranian oil proceeds, ultimately creating a slush fund for Iran to use however it wished — the very harm that U.S. sanctions were put in place to avoid.” A senior banker at Halkbank was found guilty of working to evade sanctions on Iran, and Halbank itself could still face fines by the Treasury Department.

Zarrab also had ties to the Turkish government, according to a memo written in 2016 by former U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara, and was “engaged in a massive bribery scheme... paying cabinet-level [Turkish] governmental officials and high-level bank officers tens of millions of Euro and U.S. dollars” to facilitate his transactions.

Erdogan, wary of corruption being revealed in open court, fiercely lobbied high-level Obama administration officials for Zarrab's release after his 2016 arrest, the Washington Post reported at the time. At one point he even asked Vice President Joe Biden to have Bharara fired. Erdogan also sent his justice minister at the time to meet with then-Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch and argue that the case was "based on no evidence."

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So why is Trump now 'sensitive' to it? Because by helping others cover corruption he expects the same from those same world leaders.

What a massive bloody swamp this man is involved in and what a deliciously base individual he really is.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 11 October 2019 10:07:32 AM
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Trump [no fairdinkum think this] may have been black mailed by the dictator of Turkey,
He may have just been doing a favor for Putin
Or his business dealings, not stalled while POTUS may have brought about this invasion
Now tell me, what past office holder would anyone think that could be true about?
It will be uncovered the truth that is,but the most horrible truth is there right in front of us
American voters thought he would be a good POTUS!
Posted by Belly, Friday, 11 October 2019 10:53:03 AM
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SR,

Ever since you stated that Trump was beholden to the Russians your credibility has been shredded. Again without any evidence you are claiming that Trump "illegally" pressured the Ukraine government to provide information on an open case to the US government.

What would be illegal would be threatening the government withdrawing $1bn in aid if the government didn't fire a prosecutor that was investigating a company for corruption that had hired your unqualified and inexperienced son for a vast sum.

Secondly, Labor outspent the coalition nearly 2:1 and that's without counting labor's proxies of the unions and getup who would probably triple that. That Palmer who has no connection to the coalition spent a fortune on advertising including some attack ads against labor is irrelevant. Labor lost because of crappy policies.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Friday, 11 October 2019 11:32:19 AM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

Why would my credibility be 'shredded' when the president was not cleared of collusion but only there was insufficient evidence to convict.

As to "Again without any evidence you are claiming that Trump "illegally" pressured the Ukraine government to provide information on an open case to the US government.".

Well no, that is what the whistle blower is claiming and the fact that their evidence was sent to the intelligence committees unopposed in the Senate shows the body as a whole thinks this has merit.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 11 October 2019 11:58:21 AM
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SR,

The Mueller report found no evidence of Trump's collusion with the Russians, Mueller's testimony to congress (which I watched) made that patently clear which didn't stop you claiming the opposite.

Secondly, the whistleblower was not actually privy to the conversation, and reported 2nd or 3rd hand information which was contradicted by the actual transcript of the meeting.

What is clear is that while Trump asked for information WRT an open case in Ukraine, no inducement nor threat was offered.

Compare this with Biden's action where there was a clear conflict of interest and a threat offered for non action.

Finally, there are reports that the whistleblower was politically motivated.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Friday, 11 October 2019 12:21:30 PM
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