Foxy,

I see your still copying and pasting.
You forgot to give any reference of the origin of your last post.
Your words are of a flowery wonderland and of a people who are no more revered than the rest of us.
You insist on holding the blacks to a station way above their actual and real standing.
If we are to accept your submission on how badly we have treated the blacks, you need to look into the blacks behaviour, not the whites.
You refuse to see that the way you kowtow to the blacks IS tantamount to discrimination against ALL the rest of the Australian population.
Your continual bleating on their behalf is nothing short of treason.
At the very least it is extremely anti social and divisive when one promotes one race over all the rest, irrespective of the fact you attempt to sell the idea based on your twisted logic that the blacks are being unfairly treated, when in fact the opposite is many times more the truth/case.
Foxy, you spend far too much time in your own mind/world, it's about time you actually accepted the real world and not the one you live in.

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Dear ALTRAV,

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You wrote :

« We are not the ones "filling the jails with blacks", they are, so take that back »
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I don’t exclude the possibility that some prisoners (both indigenous and non-indigenous) might choose to go to jail, and commit crimes with this objective in mind, but I see no reason to think that this is the case of the majority of prisoners. As Loudmouth suggested in his last post to Foxy, for those who might be tempted to adopt such a strategy :

« It's safer … to be in custody than out in the community »

However, what I wrote (and which provoked your comment) was :

« Anything would be better than just filling up our jails with those that can’t make it and don't know what to do with themselves – on both sides of the divide »

I did not indicate or even, in any way, imply who was “filling the jails with blacks”, as you infer, ALTRAV. You did that. You declared : "they are".

Perhaps I should point out that the same laws apply to everybody in Australia, without exception, but Aboriginal offenders are judged by Indigenous urban courts and circles as well as the Aboriginal Community Court in Western Australia,. These courts have been set up to deal with crimes committed by our Aboriginal compatriots to facilitate communications and court procedures. Aboriginal elders assist the judge in examining the case and determining the sentence for which the final decision rests exclusively with the non-indigenous judge, alone.

There are no Aboriginal judges on these courts, but there is one, Matthew Myers, on the Federal Magistrates Court :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Myers_(judge)

So, ALTRAV, while the Aboriginal offenders are responsible for their crimes, it’s the non-indigenous judges who are condemning them and “filling the jails with blacks”.

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Dear Yuyutsu,

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You wrote :

« As for jails filling with aboriginals, it is a tragedy, but I don't know what can be done, it is essentially a medical problem and requires a medical solution. The name of the problem is alcohol »
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Not exactly, Yuyutsu, alcohol is not the problem for the Aboriginal offenders. It is the solution they turn to in order to forget their problems.

The lives of our Aboriginal compatriots, their culture and social structures have been completely disrupted by colonisation and they suffer from the aftermaths. A majority of them have, by choice or by force, managed to assimilate Western culture and Western education and lead reasonably satisfactory lives.

Unfortunately, an important minority have not, and are trapped in limbo between their traditional Aboriginal culture and modern Western culture. They can’t go back and can’t go forward. They are completely and hopelessly lost – living with government assistance and welfare.

It’s more than just a medical problem, Yuyutsu. Simply depriving them of alcohol will not fix it. It’s a human problem, a moral problem and a political problem.

There’s no simple answer to it and no end in sight.

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Banjo,

pe-lease, stop trying to defend the indefensible.
"They turn to alcohol to forget their problems"?
Really?
Your clutching at straws.
If their lives and social structure have been "completely disrupted" as you contend, then nothing is stopping them moving back to the bush and getting on with their lives, such as it was.
No Banjo, sorry your attempt at mitigating the over represented number of blacks in jail is rejected outright.
You have failed in trying to make the blacks in jail as victims.
Their unwillingness to conform and comply to the laws of the land are all too obvious, and we don't need an elder to tell us they don't want to tow the line.
If the white mans laws are an issue for these particular blacks, nothing is stopping them doing the same as any white man, and that is move to the country where they can feel more at home in the bush and not in a concrete jungle which is understandably alien to these particular blacks.
No Banjo, I have witnessed the hatred, the arrogance, the shirt fronting, and many more unsociable acts and attitudes towards the whites.
This attitude is tantamount to an underground war, being generated and fostered by certain black entities, against the whites for a misguided ideology that the whites "invaded their land".
If this is seriously their mindset, then my stance on this is; TOO BAD!
Tough get over it, we don't care, how many ways do we have to say it, we "colonised" Australia, no more, no less.
We did no different than their own ancestors and original migrants to Australia did.
They keep saying they do not believe in "owning" land, so then why do they insist it is "their" land and we invaded it.
We migrated too, just like their ancestors, and furthermore we don't have to explain squat diddly to a bunch of transients who suddenly decide they can acquire something for nothing by annoying the sh!t out of decent innocent people, who by the way, bought or buying the land they can legally call theirs.

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Dear ALTRAV,

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I understand your position. It’s an opinion shared by many of our fellow countrymen and women. The plight of our Aboriginal compatriots is part of our inheritance and, as I indicated in my last post to Yuyutsu, there’s no simple solution to the problem.

It’s something we have in common with many other countries. There are over 5,000 indigenous peoples in the world, for a total population of about 370 million. They have all suffered pretty much the same fate as our own Aborigines, due to colonisation.

Indigenous peoples are among the most disadvantaged and vulnerable groups of people in the world. To such an extent that the international community now recognizes that special measures are required to protect their rights and maintain their distinct cultures and way of life.

For this reason, and only after much hesitation and tergiversation, Australia finally endorsed the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples (UNDRIP) in 2009. Prior to that, we had the Mabo decision in 1992 whereby the High Court of Australia invalidated the policy of terra nullius (land belonging to nobody) that the British colonisers used to justify claiming ownership of all Aboriginal land in the name of the British Crown.

That watershed decision subsequently triggered the recognition of traditional land rights throughout the country of numerous Aboriginal communities.

All this testifies to a growing awareness among the general public, at the national level, of the devastation caused to our indigenous peoples due to the devious manner in which the British colonisers dispossessed them of their traditional land rights and lifestyles 231 years ago.

Nevertheless, it is perfectly understandable that somebody like you, ALTRAV, who has “witnessed the hatred, the arrogance, the shirt fronting, and many more unsociable acts and attitudes towards the whites” is revolted by such obnoxious behaviour on the part of many of the current generation of Aborigines, and has absolutely no sympathy for them whatsoever.

Again, as I observed in my post to Yuyutsu, there’s no simple solution to the problem and no end in sight.

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BP,

on the contrary, I disagree.
There are solutions to this thing, but you and others fail to accept an inconvenient truth.
Firstly the language has to be corrected.
The whites did not dispossess anyone.
The blacks were transients, owned nothing, so at best were, "squatters".
Secondly, any area they suggest is a sacred site, I and millions of others challenge and relegate such claims to the BS file, or bin.
They had "apparently" 60,000 years to ensconce themselves in this country, but instead wait over a hundred years after we come along, set the place up, with mining, infrastructure, farming, industries, and a healthy export industry with an annual income of billions, the envy of many countries, and decide to start breaking balls with some pathetic push and sudden realisation of their "connection"to this land, and their rights to it.
What a load of crap, and very, very, disgusting antics.
Con-men must have choreographed this despicable insane attempt at one of the biggest land heists in history, or ever.
No Banjo, you grab your little soap box and your little organ and your band of puppets and just leave, stage door left, and don't forget to gather up all your coloured mates on the way back to the outback, and close the door behind you.
You are just as bad as them for backing them.
Do you even have a clue at what you are trying to sell?
The Aussie public is fed up with this BS of a fable, it started too late, and it's been going on for too long.
Next time, get all your black fellas together and form a co-ordinated front, and attack and kill any settlers, before they actually settle in, that way you will be sending a message to the settlers that they are not wanted and if they persist, they will be killed.
That's how it's done.
If that was done, then it means the settlers won.
If that's the case, TOO BAD!
Suck it up and leave us alone, with your continual unconscionable and egregious, annoying and extremely unjustified demands.