Way back on the 8 July I wrote "As to Epstein, if he is in real trouble he can always offer a plea deal and implicate Hillary's friend Bill. But he should probably ask for extra security since many who've had the goods on the Clinton's have wound up 'suicided'."

That was Jeffery Epstein and lo-and-behold he has now turned up dead, having, according to the official report hung himself whilst in jail.

So many people in the periphery of the Clinton circle end up committing suicide that a new term is (half-jokingly) being used to describe it - he was Hillary'd.

By way of background, Epstein was a paedophile who was also close to Bill Clinton who had regularly flown on Epstein owned planes and visited Epstein private island where, it is claimed, Epstein held child sex slaves for his and his friends' use. Many notable people, including Bill, have been named by Epstein victims who are coming forward as having been on the island and engaged in sex with guests. Additionally many others say they were held in Epstein's US residents and lent out to other prominent persons.

Epstein was previously charged and found guilty of engaging child sex rings. This occurred in 2005 but he got the lightest of sentences. One of the prosecutors says he was warned off pursuing the charges because Epstein was protected by the FBI (then run by Mueller).

He was in prison awaiting trial on charges that would bring a life sentence if upheld and more and more information was emerging.

The FBI has recently raided both his US home and his private island. It is claimed that they found 1000s of documents and pictures and that the island was wired for video so he could get incriminating evidence on the rich and powerful for purposes of blackmail.

/cont

MHaze,

"To be continued" ? Two hours I've been waiting ! I hope they haven't got to you first ? I want to know more about Epstein's flash-drives and videos and whether or not he has all manner of incriminating documents planted in a hundred places, to be leaked anonymously to the media ?

Wouldn't this make a great TV series ?

/cont

So it was likely that a lot of unwanted facts were about to hit the fan if Epstein went to trial. His 'suicide' is very convenient and the facts around it highly suspicious.

Now that he's gone however, A-G Barr is promising to continue the investigation using women close to Epstein who were, it’s said, his enablers. One wag said they can't all commit suicide, but if I were them I'd be begging Barr to get into witness protection asap in return for providing evidence.

To enable the suicide, there were a series 'mistakes' made that left him alone in his cell. It seems clear that, if it was suicide, it was assisted suicide. The deep state is still protecting its own. Will they succeed this time also.

The latest Epstein joke: "I was stunned to hear about the suicide of Jeffrey Epstein. And so was Jeffrey Epstein!”

While reading about this I came across this painting which was in Epstein's house..(beware, once seen it can't be unseen)...

http://i0.wp.com/usdailyreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Bill-Clinton-Wearing-Blue-Dress-Jeffrey-Epstein.jpg?resize=768%2C480&ssl=1

Donald paid to have him killed
Junk comment but at home in this thread

New York City's Chief Medical Examiner finds the
death of financier and alleged sex trafficker
Jeffrey Epstein's death was the result of suicide
by hanging following days of speculation and spreading
conspiracy theories.

President Donald Trump told reporters he wants a
"full probe"of the death of Epstein - who was under
indictment for child sex-trafficking at the time of his
death.

Both Trump and former US President Bill Clinton were
former friends of Epstein.

Epstein's death in the Metropolitan Correctional
Centre in Manhattan is currently under investigation by
both the FBI and the Inspector General's Office of the
Justice Department. Agents have seized computers
at Epstein's residences.

Whether anything comes of all of this - we have to
wait and see. There's also of course money involved.
Epstein's wealth was reportedly in the five hundred
million dollar figure range. So there's bound to be
staff and others - making claims.

Interesting times ahead.

Although if we look back to the killings of notorious
crime family members in our own jails - the Morans
come to mind. Was anything achieved there?

Just a thought.

The thread Highlights you can fool a Trump supporter all of the time
Sad but true, is we humans make that old saying *when Dictatorship comes some will call it freedom*
Wise words
I am reminded of the brain damaged redneck who stormed a Pizza shop armed , to free child sexslaves of? Clinton
He is now in prison, hopefully long enough to see he never breeds
Q, that should start another conspiracy theory

I don't understand Australians' fascination with American perverts and killers. We have our own problems to face up to.

When it is an argument between incompetence or conspiracy, incompetence wins out 9 times out of 10.

I wonder who the first Australian will be involved in this saga ?

We should ask different questions about this
Like how do rich and powerful men, remember even a Royal has been named in this, get to run outside the law for so long
My must ask question?
How do we focus on conspiracy that may never have any truth and not question one

What I find most interesting about this is that all those who were fully convinced of the Trump-Russian collusion myth despite an utter lack of evidence, are now suddenly preening themselves over their understanding that we all need evidence to arrive at a final conclusion. Not only partisans. Media like the New York Times which spent two years promoting the collusion myth with no evidence other than what they made up, is now virtuously explaining that evidence on Epstein is equivocal.

If only they'd realised its all about the evidence in 2016, the whole Mueller debacle might have been avoided.

But let's wait and see what the DOJ probe finds on Epstein's death.

Stop press. Epstein's lawyers don't buy the suicide story and are preparing their own investigation.

mhaze,

Here's a link for you regarding the Trump - Russia
affair: Key questions answered:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42493918

Mr Mueller has said his report did not exonerate the
President but that charging a sitting President
was not an option.

Also read about the number of the President's people
who were involved with the Russians. Including the
numbers arrested so far.

Keep al the faith Foxy,

"Mr Mueller has said".

Mueller said lots of things but, following his congressional testimony its clear he really didn't have much idea what was going on. He was just a figure-head for a cabal of anti-Trump democrat lawyers. The job of the investigation was not to exonerate the president. He was a special PROSECUTOR. Ever heard of innocent until proven guilty? No evidence of guilt = innocent.

" Including the numbers arrested so far."
None arrested in regards to Russian collusion. But don't let the facts get in the way of what you want to be true.

Dear mhaze,

This is pretty clueless even for you.

What you are saying is that we should ignore the capacity of the current president and his administration, who have created such a deep swamp of dubious and venal acolytes holding significant positions of power and who are almost daily showing a readiness to thumb their noses at the law, to have gotten to Epstein. Never mind the fact that Trump also rode the Lolita Express and was a friend of Epstein laughing that he 'liked the younger types of women'.

Instead a past president who left office nearly 20 years ago is suppose to have that level of power that he is at the top of your list?

You sir are deluded if not deranged if you really believe in this crap. Time to give it a rest mate.

mhaze,

I have to ask myself why I even bother talking
to you.

I shan't make that mistake again.

Life is too short.

Catch your breath mhaze, look with eyes wide open
Trump has had, and sacked, more people in his service than Clive Palmer put out of work
He said the rednecks who support him are the best people in the world
Right now he is trying to destroy the reason the fed reserve is a stand alone entity, , trying to take control of it
His on again off again tarifes is as near economics insanity as you can get
His single skill is he can convince fools to follow him

"Never mind the fact that Trump also rode the Lolita Express "

I know that SR gets very thingy when asked for evidence for his fabrications, but this one is a biggie. So, any evidence Trump flew the Lolita Express?

Its true that Trump was an acquaintance of Epstein at one time. But that was before the time when Epstein went rogue. There are no claims against Epstein at the time when Trump associated with him. OTOH, when Trump discovered that Epstein was harassing a 15 yr old girl at Trump's Florida resort, he had him expelled and banned for good and no longer associated with him. At that same time Bill etc were regulars on the island.

Note also that I'm not suggesting that Bill and Hill were necessarily responsible for 'suicide'. There are many many powerful people who had lots to fear from an Epstein trial. Additionally, if its true that Epstein was an FBI asset then the plot thickens.

Meanwhile in Mueller-land....over-night Mifsud (look him up) who Mueller claimed was a Russian asset who linked Papadopoulos to Russian intelligence, has, through his lawyers confirmed what has long been claimed...that he in fact worked for the FBI ie Mueller lied in his report.
Additionally Halper is also now claiming to be an FBI employee. So the two most important 'outsiders' who got the whole Russian collusion story going are now saying they were controlled by the FBI.

The whole thing is unravelling. Its beautiful to watch. Meanwhile the Trump Derangement Syndrome crowd remain, (probably deliberately) clueless as to what's coming down the pike.

Foxy, SR,

Having spent some time listening to the senate inquiry, three things were clear:

1 - That the congress was clearly split along party lines,
2 - That the report did not conclude that Trump colluded with the Russians or that obstruction occurred.
3 - Mueller added virtually nothing to the report.

That virtually no Republicans will support an impeachment motion means that even if the Democrats can muster up enough of their own to pass the motion through congress, it will certainly fail to pass the senate. That it will probably boost Trump's support (or undercut the democrats) is probably why it won't even pass the congress.

The horse that the Democrats are flogging died a long time ago.

When I was minding the spare parts department for Tutt Bryant in Rabaul the heads warehouse boy came to me & said he needed a day off, The reason, "grandfather belong me he die". Of course I gave him the day off.

He came again the next month, & with out thinking I gave him the day off. However when he came again a little later with the same request I smelt a rat. I asked how many times his grand father had died.

The boy patiently explained to me that the other times he was very sick, dying, but now he die pinnis, [finish]. He wanted to go to the funeral.

This post gives me a feeling of Deja vu. All these people, like my storeman, our useful idiots will never burry their Trump hatred. They come up with a repeat from a different angle, of his dreadfulness. Like the marine biology department of James Cook, who have now killed the Great Barrier Reef about 50 times, they trot out the same rubbish, but using different words each time.

Come on folks, it is time to bury pinnis that lefty irrational hatred that is completely clouding your judgement of the US & the world. In other words do try to grow up a bit sometime.

Being a useful idiot may I?
Ask that is how those naming me such know for sure they are not just that
How can they know more than the science
Know Trump is not the front man for very powerful rich who in fact run this world
Just asking

I haven't been keeping up with this stuff as I usually do.
But I think he signed his death warrant when he asked for immunity after arrested.

I think he was running compromise operations using underage girls for certain bureaucrats within US government and in regards to what the public stood to find out, well it all threatened to spiral too far out of control.

Some say it may have even been a fake suicide.

If you want to dig into the facts regards this topic,
I recommend these channels.:
http://www.youtube.com/user/georgwebb/videos
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_ClYrAtDNAGy5J0N-AwBNw

August 13th, 2019 Epstein's Teneo Connects All The Dots To Uranium One
http://youtu.be/ilKgNQQC2go
July 27th, 2019. Last Dark Warnings Of CIA Director Colby On Dyncorp, Epstein, Kids For Compromise
https://youtu.be/_D056p_njKs

How The US Allows You To Be Poisoned For Profit, US To Seize Iran Tanker & Epstein's Fake Suicide
http://youtu.be/EO8UTosvQt8

Trunews are also discussing the fake suicide angle:

Where is Jeffrey Epstein: Hell or Tel Aviv?
http://youtu.be/ktW60OmUWFM

Check the date on this video:
Q218: Has Bill Clinton Scheduled Jeffrey Epstein For Prison Death To Cover Lolita Scandal?
http://youtu.be/VV8c9ZW97Ek

Belly,

"Being a useful idiot may I?
Ask that is how those naming me such know for sure they are not just that
How can they know more than the science
Know Trump is not the front man for very powerful rich who in fact run this world
Just asking"

Did you discuss this with your wee Foxies?

Is Miserable, keeping up, or is it down? to your usual standards
Facts line up against your side but are brushed aside by your inability to see truth has value
Trump, the man most here follow is trying to buy Greenland
And believe it or not he has pulled the leg of even his own supporters as he thrashes about trying to be reelected next year
The deep state was never an invention of mad Don
It exists, and is him and his supporters

Trump now, this day, tells us that Israelis think of him as the second coming of Christ
The man surely has forgotten the Jewish faiths is no mate of Christ
Trump is the deep state, quite insane and still POTUS

Belly,
talking about unpopular politicians, how's your old mate Bill Shorten going these day ?

Low blow, indy but he is still around and in my view will not remain for along time
He will take an offer say within this term?
Deep state is far deeper than my Bill in fact you have to admire the very right did a great job
Setting up a lie factory like never seen before then blaming the other side for it

Low blow, indy
Belly,
Yes, I know, but it's only in response to your perpetual low blows every time a common sense remark is made by a non-leftie. You stop low-blows & I'll stop responding in that manner.

Indy can it be that you think my views are just throw away lines to taunt?
I believe WHAT I post
Including this, neither the true left true right or even center is in any way in control of this world
We all are no more important than kittens left to play with a ball of wool
Too that a day will come when one world government will be imposed on us
We will be told [maybe rightly] we mucked it up, are not capable of getting it right
Then things like population control will be forced harshly on us freedom will be a word lost forever

Setting up a lie factory like never seen before then blaming the other side for it
Belly,
Something just doesn't ring true about this statement ! An exposure of lies is not a manufacturing process, it's just inconvenient for the fake brigade.

indy yes something does not ring true prove to me it is not the side you blindly follow
Consider who funds the deep state and why
Q [just could not stop myself, ] goggle Q be ready to laugh

why Q [just could not stop myself, ] goggle Q be ready to laugh
Belly,
I must admit I simply don't get this ! What's a goggle Q ?

I believe Belly's referring to Q Anon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon

I heard about this really early on, on George Webbs channel.

I was suspicious of the motives behind 'Q'.
I felt like it may have been someone from within the deep state beauracracy;
It kind of felt like it was an effort to 'pied piper' the 'alt right', distract them and lead them off on a wild goose chase that goes nowhere and have them chasing their tails and arguing with each other.
I felt like it was a kind of 'deploying countermeasures' to throw the alt right off;
- basically an effort to slow down and dissipate the potential power of the citizens to effectively zero in on what was really going on.

I can't comment much on the accuracy of any of Q's claims because I stayed away from that info; and I haven't really watched anything that discussed 'Q' from the perspective of hindsight.

Forget Q Anon, go back to Epstein.

Went over this stuff nearly 3 years ago.

Watch these videos and you will find out SOMETHING just doesn't smell right:

Dec 31, 2016 Sid Blumenthal, Jeff Epstein, Valerie Plame, and General Grange?
http://youtu.be/h6gvBEutuRM

January 17, 2017 - Monica Petersen, Haiti, Dyncorp, And Now Strzok
http://youtu.be/_PuIT804kYk

It's not easy to dig these videos up on Youtube, there's no option to just go back to videos 'from Jan 2017' you have to manually scroll through 4000 odd videos to get back there, and many videos youtube itself has deleted as they do on many channels.
Some videos only exist because premium youtube members downloaded them.
Many videos are lost to viewers forever because some channel owners who broadcast them never had their own offline copies of their own videos.

George Webb's whole series started with 'Who killed Monica Peterson?'
(I'm not going to direct you to any particular site but Google the quote above and look for yourself.)
and 'Where is Eric Braverman?', CEO of Clinton Foundation refused to sign off on financial statements and told reporters to 'follow the money'.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-22/meet-man-who-can-expose-real-hillary-clinton-scandal

Sometimes people go off on tangents because they don't know the right questions to ask or why they need to ask them.

In the bigger picture the right question might be this:

'What was Pizzagate really about?'

AC think with me mate, you have said you do not trust the establishment, so what if Q is [as I think] a total fraud invented to deceive us
What if fake news was an invention that was invented so we trust no one
Could it be fake news is a tool for some group that will one day, force/'promise better government on us all
Weakening western Democracy could lead to a dictatorship we never again are free from
Q

"AC think with me mate, you have said you do not trust the establishment, so what if Q is [as I think] a total fraud invented to deceive us"

I think it's likely that's exactly what it was, though I can't say for sure.

'Don't look over there, look over here'

Q's releases were basically cryptic in nature, giving those that followed it just enough to grab their attention, but I don't know how much merit the info actually had, whether the info actually took anyone anywhere or if it just lead people in circles.

It seemed to be someone knowledgeable within the establishment.
I'm assuming it was an operation of some sort to divide and divert the attention of the 'alt right', but I could well be wrong.

"What if fake news was an invention that was invented so we trust no one"

Maybe, but I think it more likely a potential secondary goal rather than a primary one.
One thing I know for sure is that 'fake news' has been used very effectively as a means to censor and demonitise people on the internet.
(Along with the anti-hate speech agenda)

The idea of 'fake news' may have also had purpose in helping to bolster failing mainstream media.

"Could it be fake news is a tool for some group that will one day, force/'promise better government on us all"

If some group did think this way, then obviously micromanaging the media and telling people how they should think would be a part of that.

For me, they'd already prove themselves unworthy on the basis of 'The ends don't justify the means';

- If they have a good idea for humanity then it's up to them to sell me that idea on the basis of its own merits, and not deceive me with an ideology that says 'they're too dumb to know whats good for them so we'll socially engineer the future with the help of useless idiots instead'.

Like I've said a few times previously 'I want the full '2030 sales brochure'.
What world is this agenda really building?

AC you without doubt have hard this before *when Dictatorship comes some will call it freedom*
Nothing tells us if it will be what you call the left or right
But it may well come as we find we can no longer tell truth from lie