So left wing unions and the ALP left are protecting the head of the CFMMEU
Just as can be said, if honesty exists, about the Governing Coalition, Labor has its troubled kids
A truth that cannot be avoided, they, think about it, seem to think a great mass of voters exist who refuse to vote Labor because they are too far right
Let's see if we can find them, Greens?yep about ten percent in fact
Socialist left? 0.1 percent
They continue to resist any effort to move with the voters as Labor betraying its base!
So those disenchanted voters?
Beggars must be voting Conservative because Labor is too far right!
IF the thread gets a run I will expand on the lost nature of the very left, but invite Conservatives to talk about their refugees say one nation, too

Belly. You are not making sense. Could you write in English sentences next time?

Victoria is the strongest place the left operate in
But they need a touch of reality
The unions, some very left in Victoria but not in others states, have come out in support of the head of the CFMMEU.
Dreamers that they are, they cling to a 1950,s left that long ago died
Yet the left, Australia wide, has convinced its self, a hidden group of voters are abandoning Labor, because Labor is too far right
After the `10 percent the Greens own, show me this group
Can it be they are voting Conservative ? not likely
Labor must confront even its followers will not vote for a pure left party [we are not near one]
And too not bow to Victorias lost tribe

Belly,

For Andrews cash is more important than ethics. A fat cheque from the CFMEU is preferable to doing the right thing.

Shadow Minister any chance you will post about factionalism in your team
Tell us why refugees formed one nation?
Remember PH was from your party
Tell us about the right stacking branches, or the death of Cory's party and why he saw a need for it
My reason for posting this thread is both to highlight a very real problem for my side
And to tell of the lost nature of the very left
Defending that CFMMEU THUG is damaging to my party
While Labor branches, for the most part, are left of the party, that is stalled by the right faction controlling the numbers
Labor, and the Unions future is not extreme left
Voters even now, refuse to vote for us because they dislike the left and yes the Greens
Sadly buying the thought they control us
Defending this man is showing the left is shallow and in truth could not care less about the rights of women

Belly,

While the Liberal party has a range of political opinions and some people might refer to the conservative faction, in reality the party has no hard defined factions as found in the labor party.

And while PH was originally a member of the liberals, she was quickly disendorsed when her views became public and she never actually represented the liberals in parliament.

Finally, as Andrews is from the hard left faction of the Labor party as is Albo, this is hardly a factional battle. Andrews simply knows which side his trough is filled.

Beg to differ Shadow Minister, and gee it is hard to write that while laughing
My thoughts on posting this link are to stay close to reality
Labor still has the word Socialist in its mantra, but tries to hide it
We still stand for fairness and equity in social welfare and all the things we formed for
But in reality the left, not unlike conservative right, stand in the way of us getting it done
Say the 10 percent the greens have [our refugees?] surely we know at the very least 40 percent [more like 80] will never ever vote for them?
Victorian left fighting for a man who BULLIES women, represent what? being extremely kind five percent?
Do they not understand they drive five times their number away from Labor
Labor and the center to right unions have a future, not in any way linked to the left of reality bunch

Belly,

I glad that you find the truth so amusing. That Labor MPs are clearly delineated alone left/right lines does not mean that Libs are. Some are economically conservative whilst socially liberal, whilst others are socially conservative and economically liberal and various shades in between.

Abandoning the labor left faction would leave labor in the wilderness.

Well SM it seems we did not launch, so as the thread dies let me launch
Labor suffers because of the true left and the Greens
People including your tribe, count us all as part of them
We never ever will be
Figures posted above should warn they can not, on their own, win a raffle even if they bought all the tickets
We must, truly, confront them, show seperation, true separation, or be the opposition forever

Dear Belly,

It doesn't pay to argue with some people.

Just sit back and watch what happens next
in politics. We're in for some very,
very interesting times. I've just bought
Nikki Savva's book. Can't wait to read it.

Belly,

I would guess that you are an old fashioned unionist that is more interested in living conditions for working people. That puts you at odds with all of those on the labor left faction for whom identity politics etc seem to be more important.

The reason that labor lost the last election is that they chased the noisy latte class left leaning city dwellers rather than their original base.

Foxy true but it has the unfortunate side effect of letting your opponent think he/she is right
Shadow Minister, my thanks, true honest thanks
You Prove my point, your mob waffle on with total untruths saying the left controls us
Your use of that weapon strengthens my case that being the very left are Labors enemy
We are under the control of the center unity [right] of our party
We share some, not most, of the left's concerns
But our four post ww2 PMs did not come from the extremes
Me? I seek true welfare reform, including an end to all fraud all not looking for work
Fair Enterprise Bargaining for all workers with a basic wage that is a living wage
Tax reform and ending tax avoidance
Bigger defense forces and capability to defend ourselves if need be
Infrastructure spending even if we must borrow the money to keep more water in storage in the drought areas and create jobs

Dear Belly,

You can't change some people's minds so
don't waste your time. The voters will
finally decide on what kind of a country
they want to live in. Frankly, I don't
see a future for the Liberal Party. It is
diminishing itself little by little. It
certainly is no longer the Party that my
family used to vote for and support. The
weirdos have taken over.

Foxy it is my honest view the LNP will regret winning the election
Too that the only truly fair reformist party mine, will serve three terms next time
First we must confront this idiotic left,to try to save that grub from explosion is against everything we stand for
He and his supporters damage the ALP
It Is our task to reform welfare, honestly with a heart but zero tolerance for fraud
Can anyone think this mob would do that?
Shadow Minister in his every word tells me too many blindly fail to think and believe his stuff

Foxy, Belly,

The reality is that the voters did decide on what kind of a country they wanted. The problem for labor is that it wasn't what they were selling.

It is clear that labor is in deep denial as I keep on hearing that there was no problem with Labor's policies, that it was just that the voters didn't understand them. I will be delighted if you continue with this delusion in anticipation of a 4th coalition term.

SM,

I shall be equally delighted when you'll be proven
wrong, as you so often are on this forum.

SM the thread talks of Victoria, Labor smashed your team there
However carry on, like to see your fixed one tracked ideas
However for me the truth is while disturbing for some, Labor must and will, move further away from the true left
I hope that includes the Greens, after all they mostly serve Conservatives
Conservatives, a word now describing something very different than it once did
Blotted uncaring uninterested in other than its big business mates