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Between traffic accidents and industrial accidents about 500 people die a year, which is a fraction of those that die in countries where the government doesn't spend the $bns that a responsible Aus government and industry does.

About 3-4% of illegal immigrants on boats will die in transit. This is predictable and inevitable. A government not taking action such as the turn arounds to stop deaths at sea is grossly negligent.

"A government not taking action such as the turn arounds to stop deaths at sea is grossly negligent."

It's not the responsibility of the Australian government to 'take action' to prevent the deaths at sea of people who were never invited to come here. The government's responsibility is to protect our borders from people trying to get here illegally. That's what we pay them for. If people drown trying to come here uninvited, that's stiff cheese, nothing to do with us - and it certainly works as a preventative.

Too many people who believe in the integrity of our borders pretend to be concerned about the welfare of illegals; that's a weakness that will earn them no respect from the open-borders mob. The only concern for Australians is that our borders must be protected, and we must insist that they are. The let-anyone-in fruitcakes just put the deaths at sea as 's..t happening', in their evil intention to promote their anti-Australian agenda. There is no point in trying to be 'nice' to appeal to them.

ttbn, as a humanitarian society we take it upon ourselves to assist other in need where we can. You take the Fortress Australia view, and simply say lucky me, and bugger the rest.

Australia is the only country in the world with a
policy of mandatory detention and offshore processing
of asylum seekers who arrive without a valid visa.

There is a global refugee crisis. Over 1.19 million
women, men and children need to be re-settled in a
safe country. Yet only 30 countries offer just 100,000
annual resettlement places.

And Australia's border protection and mandatory detention is the envy of the rest of the world, which has been overrun by illegals, thanks to politicians even more gutless and unaware than our own. At least some of our politicians are aware of the fact that they have obligations to their own country and their own people, who vote for them and pay them to protect our country.

Paul,

At last! You've got the message. I do believe in a fortress Australia, and I do not equate 'humanitarianism' with your virtue-signalling self-hatred and contempt for your fellow Australians. With your family connections, you would have no trouble moving to New Zealand where you would be much happier with your extreme Left views.

68 million, Foxy, most of whom would be women and children - let's say 40 million women and children :)

Australia takes in 190,000 immigrants each year. We have an annual quota of 19,000 refugees, who have done all the right things, filled out all the right forms and waited, desperately hoping that one day they will have enough money to buy a pot to piss in, while others shell out ten thousand dollars of their and their families' money to get on a boat and get into Australia illegally, bugger the right forms.

I hope that our government is humanitarian enough to pay for those illegal immigrants to go back to their last safe port, still usually in Indonesia, and helps them to fill out the right forms, like all of those other poor bastards in ghastly desert camps have to do, which I don't hear you crying about. 'Line of sight' refugees - is that all there is ?

'Line of sight' progressives - I wonder how many the world needs .....

Our 19,000 annual refugee intake (plus the special intakes) is a good deal more generous than New Zealand's (600) for the size of our countries, and is more generous than the US intake. Of course, ALL countries should be taking more, if they can satisfactorily integrate them into their societies. Ideally, the countries that they come from might go democratic and peaceful at some time in the future and those 68 million won't have to flee and leave everything behind. Including that damned pot.

Joe