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Whatever you think of climate change, the measures to counter it, promoted by its international cheer leaders, are calculated to damage the industrial base and living standards of advanced Western nations. India and China, among other non-Western nations, have been given a pass. And that isn’t the end of it. Western nations are enjoined to take from their denuded treasury coffers to enrich their poorer cousins. In part, apparently, to expiate their guilt for having in the past put so much life-giving gas (pardon, polluting gas) into the atmosphere.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 17 June 2019 10:33:57 AM
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Josephus,
If that's what you're after, I suggest you read http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/full/10.1175/JCLI3402.1 and http://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/2017GL073688

And I'm not degrading you as "stupid"; I'm pointing out the stupidity of the behaviour of deniers in general: linking to third-hand reports that have already been debunked (as Bazz did), spreading lies (like the claim that humans are only responsible for 3% of the CO2 in the atmosphere), treating scientific papers that go against their biases as worthless while regarding blog posts as proof the scientists are wrong, and assuming the scientists to be ignorant of basic aspects of how the climate works.
Posted by Aidan, Monday, 17 June 2019 10:48:53 AM
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Aidan, The scientists [that is 31,000 +] whose spokespersons I have heard know exactly how the climate works, and they are not convinced humans are the cause. However humans are polluters of the planet with garbage and waste and poisons, but this not changing Earth climate. It is making it a more unliveable environment; that is not the cause of weather patterns.
Posted by Josephus, Monday, 17 June 2019 2:55:40 PM
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In 1841, Charles Mackay (1814-1889) wrote in "Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds", that `every age has its peculiar folly'. Whole communities suddenly fix their minds upon one object, and go mad in its pursuit; millions of people become simultaneously impressed with one delusion, and run after it, until their attention is caught by some new folly. In our time, the peculiar delusion is that carbon dioxide, created by man, is the cause of climate change. The humdinger delusion is the nonsense that man can change the climate
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 17 June 2019 3:09:41 PM
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From another scientist on Climate the weakness of the Bayesian method.

"Through the use of probabilities that are assigned to freely defined intervals of values, D–S theory offers greater flexibility than the Bayesian approach when quantifying weak information and more faithfully reflects its consequences in the results of decision analysis. At the same time the Bayesian approach and D–S approach share many fundamental ideas and produce identical results when the uncertainties are less extreme. This paper presents, along with some elementary examples, aspects of the D–S approach that contribute to its appeal when dealing with weak subjective and data-based information sources that have a bearing on climate change".

Baysian is a theory paper of observation over a short period of atmosphere. IT makes no inclusion of volcanoes CO2 and sulphur effect on atmosphere during the test.

Does not give physical evidence just of how Climate has changed.
Posted by Josephus, Monday, 17 June 2019 3:16:46 PM
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I just read an article that claims the biggest cause of Global Warming is caused by herbivores and carnivores.
Sounds like science to me!
Posted by Josephus, Monday, 17 June 2019 3:44:39 PM
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