Dear NNS,

Human rights are not set in concrete.

At this time in civilised, modern Australia there is no death penalty, slavery is illegal and a woman has a right to have an abortion. All of these human rights can be abolished. The death penalty may be reinstituted, slavery may be made legal and abortion may be made illegal. Some would reinstate the death penalty. Some would reinstate slavery. Some would make abortion illegal again. I prefer the present consensus on human rights.

Dear NNS,

The struggle for woman’s rights has been a long, hard struggle. We have until recently and to a great degree still live in a male dominated society. Married women have been denied the right to hold property. Property has been in her husband’s name. Women have been denied the right to vote. When my wife went to university the only occupations for educated women were nursing, librarianship or teaching. While she was going to university occupation therapy became another choice available to women so she chose that. The right of women to vote, the right of women to hold property and the right of women to get equal pay for equal work have all been fought. However, as we have become more enlightened women are attaining these rights. Another right is for women to have control over their own bodies. Included in that right is the right of a pregnant woman to decide whether she wants to continue her pregnancy. That is part of woman’s rights. The right to abortion is being denied in the same manner as the right to vote, the right to hold property and the right to choose who a woman wants to marry or not marry. It is a human right.

My oldest granddaughter is now going to medical school. I have four granddaughters, and I am glad they have opportunities denied women in the past. I am glad they have the right to abortion should they want or need one.

I am happy we have societies that respect and honor women. That recognize their value and give them rights. The efforts for those rights are worth the struggle they went through. But abortion is not a woman's right.

Look at what a fetus is. No matter how you look at it, if you actually look, you can see that a fetus is a person. A very small person but one that is the same as a newborn before they are born. The distinction is so small but it is enough to justify killing through voluntary abortion. Look at it though. what is the distinction between a newborn, and a fetus. Actually use your eyes and look up pictures. The rest of my reply can wait. Go and look it up.

Now look at what abortion is. I don't mean what it represents, but what it does and how it's done. In the past I gave an online source to explain in detail. Look there for reference if you doubt me, but here is what abortion is. Really is. It is killing a fetus. A person so small they haven't been born yet.

Surgical abortion takes on ripping the baby apart limb from limb with a suctioning devise. Or if the abortion is done in a later term, it involves crunching the baby apart tearing the baby's body into pieces to be easier to suck away.

Medical abortions are done by taking a few pills that starve off the baby from the nutrients from their mother. Then just wait for the baby to die and have it ejected from the body. This is a more dangerous procedure for the mother but just as heartless. Instead of ripping them apart they are starved until they are dead. But for the women receiving this abortion the risk is that they don't actually eject the body. These risking infection and potentially death for the mother.

I reject the term fetus because of the rationalization it makes in abortionists. It rationalizes away a Barbaric act against a baby. I wouldn't want a corpse to be mutilated in the way abortion does it's service. Yet it is thought of as a right. Abortion is sickening to think about.

The reason we have abortions as an issue at all is because we have a problem of having babies and don't want them. Want a solution that doesn't involve killing. Try not to have sex unless your ready to have children. Too much? How about adoption plans set aside. If a family member gets pregnant and doesn't the baby, or doesn't think they can be a mother, then the right to adopt is offered to a family member. If the mother doesn't want that member to raise her child or has no family that wants to adopt, then adoption can be offered to adoption agencies to find suitable parents. This costs more and may mean the mother loses all contact with their child, but at least it's better then killing them.

The other option is abortion. It is a sick tool so that society can live it up and not care about the death toll.

There you go David. I gave you the choice you offered of "agree to disagree," and try to move on. But the choice came with the condition to not use abortion as a tactic in debates you disagree with me on. Apparently that was not a choice you wanted. Hypocrite!

Do you want to know the truth? You think I am a monster against women's rights. I am not. I think you are horrible because in every conversation that has sex as an issue you've shown a new side of the discussion to make matters worse. You want to encourage teens to have sex. Thinking this is healthy instead of warning them on the consquences in their relationships, and to find better mates. You support abortion (which rationalizes away one of the consquences of unrestrained sex and lust). You support porn even rationalize the harms of it away because you like to look at porn occasionally. (You do this with no guilt and say you love your wife while doing it). You are a sick sick man.

Dear NNS,

I do not think you are a monster. You are not a monster. You really do not know what I think. You are not a sick, sick man. I see no need to call you names because you disagree with me. I see abortion as a human right and so do most people. You don't.

I don't feel guilt if I watch porn. If I saw things with your eyes I would feel guilt or not watch porn.

We live in a word where not everyone agrees on what is right or wrong. I accept that there are people with your views on abortion and other matters which differ from my views. That makes them neither sick nor immoral. It just means we have different views. To live in a civil society we have to live with people with different views. It is easier to live with people with different views if we don't call them names.

I feel strongly that abortion is a woman's right. It is not a tactic. I don't assume your views are a tactic. We will continue to disagree. I do not agree to disagree. I disagree with you and do not agree.