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Porn causes harm. Don't ignore it. Don't sidestep it. By involving yourself in the industry you are actively condoning the harm that is the bread and butter of the industry. By watching porn you are condoning the industry and the methods used to create it and bring it to you. It doesn't have to be a matter of a free society any more then murder, theft or vandalism (all also which cause harm) are activities that aren't supported by being in a free society.

As for my motivations and my attitudes. You spend more time telling me what I believe instead of listening to what I have to say. There's a good chance you know very little of my convictions or why I hold them. In fact previous conversations have been derailed because you've said your stance on what I believe instead of actually what I wrote. Even to the point that I can correct you and you don't change. You still hold your opinions as greater then anything else here. Thus the topic gets derailed because I correct you and you ignore it and repeat yourself. This is a habitual behavior of yours. Turn from it. It only feeds you with lies that you believe instead of actually be willing to hear and know the truth.

My beliefs are more then a hollow religious opinion that you present it to be. In fact I would argue that everyone's beliefs (both religious and non religious) are more then the common philosophy "that's just your belief" or "that's just your religion." What a person believes is what convicts them. They act on it because they either are sure of it, or they hope on it enough to act on it. It is not dismiss-able enough to say, "that's just your belief," or that's just your religion."

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More so then that though, if a person's beliefs can be confirmed by the reality of the world around them, then that only adds merit to their convictions. The excuse that "it only comes from my religion," only gives more merit to my religion when it is right for such convictions. I've given many sources that point to the harms of porn. Not just one harm, but multiple harms. Harms to relationships, harms to to those watching and those "acting," harms by degrading women, harms by a documented addictive nature to porn. If I come to terms to these issues because of my religious attitudes, then perhaps there is merit in those religious beliefs and convictions. They are not as hollow as you believe them to be. (Meaning your conviction on the topic of religion is in error).

That said, no, my beliefs are not just religious teaching that I was taught and accepted without consideration. I was raised with one parent from one religion, and another from a different religion. I have searched based on that. I've also seen the results for what happens when people do or don't follow the teachings in the bible. That only adds to the merit of what's said there (porn is an example of this). I've learned first hand from struggles of my own to see how one lifestyle is faulty and what to be watchful in those situations. Knowledge that I hope to pass on to the next generation so some of them don't have to repeat the same mistakes when they likely confront the same situation.

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Now that I have defended myself and where I am coming from, are you willing to move on and actually not try to actively sidestep the topic of porn, and continue to make excuses for it? Or is that change too hard for you to do?

Ezhil says ban porn. A path I would support even if I have doubts on it being successful. That path would be a trail blazer that would eventually have successful results in reducing the harms done by porn. Putting restrictions, safeguards and other options in place by the industry because they don't want the same public banning to occur again. (Or who knows maybe banning would be successful, and porn can be killed off. Even better.)

I've said to change the industry because of the harms I've referenced. Given a few ideas that can be implemented. Ban international porn, so that each country can police effectively the abuses, and the broken regulations in the porn industry. Increase the regulations in the industry or have more outside enforcement take over so those regulations are honored. Punish the people making the porn until they clean up their act. Use the tools we have to restrict porn on a national level so that by default kids don't have access to it. (Instead of the current default being that parents have to know the options and seek them out to protect their kids. But only able to protect them within their own homes.)

What have you suggested? Porn is worth the harms it causes and you enjoy it. To that effect you've sidestepped, and avoided the topic as much as possible.

Dear NNS,

There is really no point in continuing a discussion with a person who is convinced he has the truth. I am not enjoying this interchange.

To David f.

If my points can't be countered then they might not be wrong. Something to think about in future conversations. I think I'm right. Everyone who has a strong opinion on anything thinks they are right. If they can back up their points, and those points can't be countered then don't argue with it being about the person. "That's just your religion," "I can't talk to some who thinks they hold the truth." Stick to the topic and you might find it better to counter them and their points.

I won't apologize for thinking I hold the truth on this matter. It's a topic I've put a lot of thought into and struggled through. If my points stand firm, then they aren't wrong. Even if you don't agree and gave a different opinion, that doesn't make anything better or counter any of the points.

In the last few post you made this issue on porn to be about my religious attitude and about me personally. The criticism in that is that if my points can't be countered then not only does that mean my points might be right but my attitudes or my religion that your crediting might be right as well. Keep that in mind for the future as well.

I am tired of conversations going back to having to defend myself instead of actually be about discussing the topic, the points and counter points. I would rather defend my points on the things I have a strong opinion on, and the points I don't have a strong opinion about. Instead of every topic going back to a debate about the person, a debate about me. Please keep that in mind because I tire of these conversations as well, but I won't back down when I'm not wrong and what I've said isn't countered to show an error in it.

Dear NNS,

If you want to live by the Bible, an archaic book that accepts slavery, forbids mixing different fibers, allows a man to get away with rape if he marries his victim, contains such nonsense as a man-god, a virgin birth and a talking snake you may do so. It is unreasonable for a person who accepts such absolute rubbish and a free society to expect a reasonable person to take on your nonsense. The world was not created in six days and is not 6,000 years old.

The Bible is a book of superstition which is incompatible with a free, modern society.

Sure, you won't back down. Retire to your ignorance, but don't expect anybody with a brain to accept it. Reject freedom. Reject science. Reject woman's rights. Reject common sense.

I do not attack you. You are a human being and entitled to respect as a human being. However, I have no respect for the silly superstition which has you in its clutches.