Foxy,

"Is Mise,

Try reading Pascoe's book.

Cheers."

Does Pascoe shew such evidence for house building?

I've read extensively on the subject, even taken part in archaeological digs with Sydney Uni students, but I have never seen a reference to any Aboriginal archaeological site that shews evidence of house building.

In all cultures where there is useable timber, poles were sunk into the ground in constructing dwellings, where is the evidence for such in Aboriginal culture?

Is Mise,

You said that perhaps Joe has better things
to do with his time.

We all do. But we don't go around asking
people questions that they can find the answers to
for themselves.

Foxy,

I can't find any evidence and I thought that you might know of some and as this is a discussion forum, might, just for the sake of discussion, provide some evidence.

Dear Loudmouth,

You write;

"Thanks for your irrelevant spray. On the Rabbit Fence story, I disagreed that the girls got to Jigalong by following one of the fences."

Firstly this is hardly irrelevant as it speaks directly to your serial denialism. Secondly you referring to Foxy as simple for not doing your work for you was a spray. Mine was more of a clip around the ears. Thirdly you repeatedly referred to the story of the three escaping girls as a "Myth". It took a long time for you to even acknowledge they ran away in the first place so determined were you to give zero credence to their remarkable journey. You also repeatedly implied the author and her mother were liars.

Now you are doing the same with Bruce Pascoe. The exact same modus operandi. Slagging of about him with no evidence and no inclination to inform yourself. Well as I said there is no way I'm going to jump through all those hoops for someone who is so determined to remain ignorant and neither should Foxy.

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Dear Loudmouth,

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You wrote :

« Pastoralists don't own their stations, at least in civilised South Australia, they lease them. These days, a lease is for 42 years, renewable. »

You alreasy wrote that a couple of times, Joe, and I already explained that the problem is not what pastoralists do today, it is what the British colonisers did with the land when they took it from the Aboriginal peoples in South Australia and how they justified dispossessing them of their traditional lands.

We are not discussing South Australia today, Joe. We are discussing South Australia when it was created as a sepaprate state in 1836 and the ensuing period through to the 1860s. That was the period during which the British colonisers dispossessed the Aboriginal peoples of much of their land on the pretext that they ( the Aboriginal peoples) did not own it because they did not « farm » it (« till the soil ») - which the British colonisers (squatters and other landowner pastoralists) did not do either.

Perhaps you didn't read it, or maybe you have fogotten, I posted a link to a historical article by Flinders Ranges Research entitled « The Early South Australian Pastoral Industry » on this subject. Here is the link once again :

http://www.southaustralianhistory.com.au/overview.htm

I am not denying that many pastoralists in South Australia today lease so-called Crown land – though I doubt that it is all leasehold as you indicate. I suspect that at least some of it may be owned freehold.

I found these statistics on the internet :

South Australian land area :

Mainland 978,810 km2
Island 4,672
Total 983,482

Freehold 158,400 km2
Crown Leasehold 418,400
Total 576,800

Even today, some of those 158,400 km2 of freehold land may possibly be owned by pastoralists. Perhaps you have some information on that.

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Getting back to our mainstream discussion, here is an article by Douglas Pike, Professor of History, University of Tasmania, formerly Reader-in-History, University of Adelaide, entitled « Introduction of the Real Property Act in South Australia ». In it, he provides a vivid description of the mayhem that reigned from 1836 through to the 1860s in the property market in the new colony, due to the squatters, speculative investments by UK residents in land in South Australia (which they never saw), and the buying and selling of land locally in SA, independtly of the colonial authorities :

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/AdelLawRw/1961/4.pdf

If you don't fancy opening any of these links I post and reading them, don't worry, Joe, just let me know, and we'll forget about this conversation.

I'll think of something else to do with my spare time.

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