There is a trend in polling that conservative voters seem to be shy to express themselves. Newspoll was the closest, but was out by about 3%

Shorten this morning was talking about forming his cabinet, but is now looking at sitting on the back bench.

To be granted the privilege of forming Government is only the first basic step. It is now time for the Conservatives to refrain from bragging & concentrate on the task ahead. I'd strongly recommend they start looking at the key issues that handed them the opportunity to deliver their promises.
Old age pension asset test, welfare & tax reform, curb the cost of the Public Service, lay the foundation of a non-military national Service, re-visit irrigating west of the GDR. review & change the rules that allow incompetent & corrupt bureaucrats to stay, put immigration back into Immigration's hands, focus on a rail network, look at what can be done here to curb & reduce pollution, do periodical surveys of real people rather than just on Uni campuses & to harvest practical everyday ideas etc etc.
Work less behind the scenes, make progress visible ! Pull our collective fingers out !

Don't trust surveys!!

Polls have always been rubbish; so has 'expert' opinion. This has been proved at every election. People just forget, that's all.

I don't watch a lot of free to air TV,
But did they not predict an ALP win was almost a certainty?

If so, this is just like Trump.
Questions have to be asked whether the news was attempting to create news and manipulate the outcome rather than just report it.

How can they get it wrong so often?
It can't be a coincidence, they can't be that out of touch.
Why would anyone pay 1 cent for news?

It's not news.
They deliberately keep you uninformed feeding you narratives and anonymous sources and misrepresent the bigger picture in order to try to shape the outcome.

What's happening to the polling?

- This is in regards to normal polls not political polls -

Do you not think the poller know which places to poll to get the poll results they want to?

Answer: Of course they do, they learned all that info from previous polls you morons.

Polls are a pyramid scheme of evil.
Weapons on the frontline in a 'War for Change'.

Do you not think that if I deliberately cherry-picked the localities being polled that I would not be able to manipulate polling results?

What if I lead those chosen localities polls with multiple choice questions knowing what the likely polled choices in relation to these set multiple choice questions would be?

What if I deliberately push an agenda in the public space in order to both give people a pet agenda to be supportive of (so they can consider themselves good people) and unrelentingly keep it in the mind of public conscience?

Then load the questions asked.

Societal peer pressure.

Who are the people polled?
I've never been asked my opinion.
Can anyone here honestly say 'I contributed to the results of 'this or that' poll?

And what about if you contact people at home during work hours?
Are you then not likely to be polling a segment of the population who aren't currently working?
How do those opinions compare to those people you didn't poll who were too busy working; and actually contributing to supporting the nation rather than complaining about it?

- Beware of Polls -

It stands to reason that the only people who REALLY care about polls and would commission them are those who would seek to use them to try to manipulate a future outcome.

I think it is simpler than what has been suggested.

Do you remember at school, the more literary types were hopeless at math, science & even geography. With little understanding of how the physical world works, they were prone to accepting the more silly ideas.

Just who do you think gravitated to subjects like journalism at university. Now as the old more practical journalists that came through the copy boy system die out, we are left with these type of people in the job. You might also have noticed just how many of the TV journalists are female. Not a factor, except the ladies appear to be more easily moulded by the university experience to a left leaning.

Where do pollsters come from, but the ranks of journalists. I doubt it is even intentional, but a left leaning poll operator will definitely effect the answers they get from the public.

Just a thought, but we see it everywhere in the media.

The Stoic Cynic...

The Labor negative gearing hypocrites, will be secretly joyed for the liberal win;
Tanya Plibersek being one.

Speaking of the left wing bourgeoisie, (Tania Plibersek included), how dumb and blind of Labor, to run the discredited Shorten as leader, thinking the unwashed masses would forgive his criminal history of ripping off millions from the lowest paid workers, and dismissing the crime with a ho ha, and well...this is the fault of the system..(which he helped create of course).

The lessons for politicians mired in their own sense of "super" worth, is the masses don't forget.

The young voter is a rising force with a vivid and vibrant memory:
And also, on the most part, the losing class in a society.
A loss compounded by all the above, with a thought in mind of ensuring (by political manipulation), the futures of themselves and theirs as a priority; bringing us around the big circle again, to Shorten the grub and a not surprising loss...great outcome.

Dan

The biggest joke of the campaign for me was the idea that the hundred voters judging the leaders debate were neutral. I think that the debate organisers must think a neutral person someone who has always voted Labor but was having a few doubts of late. Shorten was way out of his depth and the radical policy platform sealed Labor's fate. A Lamb to the slaughter.

I started to get the feeling closer to the election that they were over-hyping the popularity of Labor. I think people started to get suspicious & it actually turned them away.
The challenge for Scomo now is to live up to the perceived competence about him. He really needs to focus on results very soon before his approval ratings take a dive. Sort out the stuff-ups that are Centrelink, old age asset test, tax, Law & curb useless funding to useless NGO's because these are the issues that matter to everyday people & they need to see them being addressed now, not in 2024 ! Concentrate on funding long-term infrastructure projects that provide long-term employment.
Put a broom through the Public Service to reduce the present over-tolerance for incompetent bureaucrats ! Don't delay action, do it now !

who do you think gravitated to subjects like journalism at university.
Hasbeen,
yep, I asked the young feller why he chose journalism & he replied "because it was one of the cheaper" courses !

Never seen them this bad before would take a lot to ever trust them again
The result had nothing to do with the polls
HTV near thrown back in my face by working poor said Labor has work to do
If they continue to avoid those they claim to represent in two decades Labor Will be a memory
33 percent of primary vote is tragic

The far left whinge of Labor doesn't learn:

"Annastacia Palaszczuk and her deputy, Jackie Trad, have refused to accept their enforced delays over state approvals of the now-stalled Adani coalmine project contributed to federal Labor’s disastrous election result in Queensland.

Federal Labor suffered a crash in its primary vote and now doesn’t hold a seat north of Brisbane, with even Wayne Swan’s former stronghold electorate of Lilley, in the city’s northern suburbs, in danger of falling to the Liberals.

A series of 11th-hour state ­reviews of Adani’s environmental approvals by the Palaszczuk government — backed by Ms Trad and her Left faction — is being blamed by federal ALP insiders and state MPs for Labor’s thumping, particularly in regional Queensland."

Hey SM,
I heard that Jackie won't sign off until she gets her brown paper bag full of cash on the side.