It's sad to kill animals.
Funny thing though, most animals kill something living in order to continue living themselves.
One of the mysteries of life I'm afraid.

Many people actually kill themselves. They finally conclude, life is a total negative existence, and viewed from certain angles it is.
If you were a fox for example, and had your leg caught in a steel trap, you may chew off your leg in order to escape.
That experience may actually be a positive one, viewed from a certain angle.
Failing to chew off your leg as the fox did, would more certainly result in death.
Better to live with three legs than to die with four, said the wily old fox!

Compromise is always fraught with difficulties.

Dan not sure I want to talk about the death bit
only because past things prove it takes little for some to want to end it
But the thread has got me remembering
At some time everyone is in such a spot, my way out is never give up, so compromise is well used by me
It is the best way around brick walls
Nothing is ever perfect, life is a compromise

Dear Dan,

«Many people actually kill themselves. They finally conclude, life is a total negative existence, and viewed from certain angles it is.»

Many TRY to kill themselves, but nobody succeeds.

Life cannot be rid of that easily: all they can do is to chop off their body, but still desiring to have better, happier lives, they shortly after come back in another body that has even worse circumstances than the one they killed.

Yes, misery can be ended, but for that one has to truly renounce all their desires, not just destroy the vehicle through which they try to fulfil those desires.

You didn't specify the exact circumstances of the fox caught in the steel trap: if they still have duties outside that trap, such as feeding their cubs, and would still be able to perform these duties even on three legs, then it is right for them to chew their leg. However, an old fox with no cubs should thank the man who set the trap. Once killed they could next live as a human instead.

My wife and I have discussed our deaths. We are looking for someone who will provide transportation for a corpse to a place of burial or cremation cheaply. No service of any kind. If burial a cheap coffin. The survivor will organise a wake for the deceased. I am making a tape to be played at my wake. It will conclude with Louis Armstrong playing "I'll be glad when you're dead, you rascal, you." There is no evidence to substantiate a belief in reincarnation or an afterlife. Death is the end of life. That's all, folks.

Once you have completed your bucket list, there is not much point cluttering up the place, unless you are needed by someone who needs help.

It is now about 5 years since I drove on a race track, 15 years since I went sailing or canoeing, & about as long since I rode a horse. Hell I don't even drive my 2 old classic sports cars very often.

My son told me I should use them as my daily drivers, & to hell with the shopping trolley bumps & scratches. I built them out of a couple of cheap wrecks early in my retirement, & love them perhaps a bit too much because of that. Something like loving your offspring I guess. As he said, it is no use having a couple of gleaming classics sitting in the shed, as they push you into the oven at the crematorium.

Anyway, when the pain becomes too much, it will be see you later from me.

Hi,
Nan seen what I put in and said type better, so I will put in the capitals. been to camp wow great time.

Why are you guys so down, I hope you are not sick, Nan is old but thinks young, says make your life a box of birds, take time and make every day count. If you still have your whanau and friends, good health, enjoying the love your children and mokos give you then that is all you need, they will look after you when you are old. Dont kill animals is a good rule, I stopped eating meat so I feel much better.

Thanks Alan B.

Is your Nan still alive?

Wahine good morning, you are doing well, my form on missspelling and other stuff is far from good
Yes its is getting dark here
Three times told I had cancer,three times they got it wrong
Had [and it is not nice] Q fever then Barnam Forrest virus
Not dead yet, sugar too type two
Would not be dead for quids
Never give up and enjoy the little things, like sitting in the garden watch birds play in trees you planted

Dear Belly,

We got a phone-call a couple of days ago that my nephew
was in hospital - in a bad way. He's currently living
and working in Wellington, New Zealand. They moved
there under contract for a job he was offered. I
rang the hospital - and he's now been released. It turns
out that he's got something called "Addison's disease."
I never heard of it - so I'll have to do more research.
He's a young bloke with a young family.

You never know what life throws at you.
But with family support - you learn to cope.
I don't know where I'd be without my husband and family,
and the friends that I've made over all these decades
on this forum who've seen me through all of my traumas -
including my cancer diagnoses of the past. As you said -
when you think of all the alternatives - we need to
think that despite everything - life is good.

Hoping for the best Foxy for that young man
Convinced we should always live for the day it works for me

Dear Belly,

Thanks.

Foxy

If you and Belly want to carry on with a love affair on these pages, maybe you could kick-off a thread of your own.

This thread is about compromise, something you have done very little of, towards conservative morality over the years. But best of luck with your rainbow flag.

Cheers Diver

diver dan consider me out of your thread
do you have a taxidermist near your place

Diver,

I'm not sure what you're on about.

I am well aware of what this discussion is about.
That's why I joined in - especially with people making
references to death in earlier posts here. Which by the
way did not seem to upset you in the slightest. You made
no comment on their posts. Yet you picked on me. I
wonder why that was? The point that I was trying to make
was that life is full of compromises. We often have to
take what life dishes out to us - as Belly and I have
done over the years. But despite all that - it's made
us stronger - and we've survived.

I thought this was right on topic.
Life is all about compromises.

Another - By the way. You are in no position to tell people
how to post. You can start a discussion but according to
the rules of the forum - you don't give people instructions.
Only the moderator does that.

Just so that you know, for next time.

And, don't worry I shall avoid posting on your discussions
from now on. You and they, are not all that interesting.
Silly me, trying to broaden things for you, and get more
responses.

hi

Sorry Foxy that your nephew is not well, and it is good that your friend Belly said he was also sorry, that is what friends say. In our whanau which is very large we have many troubles with sickness and even death. Already this year some have died, my cousin killed himself, he was only 18, and another who was about 40, died in NZ when his motorbike crashed with a truck. Although these bad things happen, its not good to only think of them, and not the good that is in our life. Some on here are very negative towards others, that is very sad.
Is this a forum with many unhappy people, and a few happy ones like you Belly and Foxy. Nan and Koroua said it is, we live with them and they are always happy.

Wahine as I am banned from this thread I came back only to offer my true sympathy and best wishes for you and those you love see you in another thread, in respect diver dan it will never be one of yours again

Oh...even Neanderthals have feelings judging on this thread.

Not the most spectacularly educated, but none the less alive with self pity.

Where is your cave Wahine? That's not you I see at the odd sunset on Bennalong point, under the spreading rainbow sails of the Opera House, leaning against the statue of the revered King Billy?

Dan

Dear Wahine,

Whakawhetai ki a koe.

I too have just come back to extend my gratitude to you
for your kind words.

Your comments were in keeping with the Maori tradition
of Hongi. You embraced me and breathed life into me.
Which was a beautiful thing to have done. You are
a beautiful soul and your light shines brightly.

I'm sorry for your families losses. You are
so lucky to live with your Nan and Koroua (grandfather).
You are surrounded by love.

Humans are the most extraordinary creatures, and a big part
of me still wants to reach an even greater understanding
about who we are. Not because I need to know more,
necessarily, but because I am drawn to the process of
discovery. If someone asks what makes me happiest, it is
never anything I can quantify like a house or a possession
or something I can touch. It is the spirit of the human
being, which can fill me with more joy than anything in the
world.

That's what I've learned on my life's journey thus far,
that my spirit is uplifted by these encounters.

Yes, I have met some bad people along the way.

But I have also met some amazing souls, and their light
fills me.

You are one of those amazing souls.

Kia ora.

Diver Dan,

For your information - Neanderthals lived in
Europe from about 50,000 years ago. As
Homo Sapiens moved out of Africa into
Europe and Asia the Neanderthals slowly became
extinct except for the English Isles where they
inter-bred with invaders from Mainland Europe
and this is where they survive to this day.

Thought you should know.

I assume that's you're ancestry ( judging from your attitude)
which reflects that heritage

Sorry Foxy, but you got that wrong. A large number of Neanderthals survived, & migrated to Oz. For many years they had settled in South Australia, but over the last decade or so they have been on the move again.

Many have now moved to Victoria, & been elected to the state parliament, as should become obvious when you look at the state policies.

Dear Hassie,

You've just proven my point about Neanderthals.
They attack - without rational thought.

Not sure about South Australia

but -

What is obvious from our state Victorian politics and
policies - is that in Victoria -
our government here does things
first, and then gets re-elected unlike the Neanderthals
in NSW - who make promises and don't deliver.

Take a look at the majority of Neanderthals in the
current government in Canberra. They expect to be
voted in on promises - not action. They've done
nothing for the past years. Now they think that
throwing money around is going to help them.

Have a look at Brexit in England. How long has it been
and the Neanderthals still can't agree.
The Europeans are laughing.

I'm glad this is a thread about animal intelligence, as dumb as an ox springs to mind.
The fox with the fat belly, what's their excuse for dumb?
Born from a mother with horns no doubt.

Now cuddling up and making lurv with a troll. What will be the outcome?
Maybe a new Harbour crossing for Sydney...whose trip trapping over my bridge said the troll?

Dan

That reminds me of the story of
Grunter. The story of a pig with attitude.

He's know as Grunter, because that's what he does.

He hates everything and everyone.

He is overfed and overweight.

He is mad, bad
Angry and sad.
and dangerous to know on days with a "d"in them.

He has serious attitude

And shocking wind.

So folks don't be a Grunter

A breath of foul air.

Be nice, and don't treat your fellow human, or
pig, like Grunter does.

Or you'll end up just like him.

And who would want that.

Life is full of compromises
We have to deal with its surprises
It's up to us to sink or swim
It's up to us to not give in
It's up to us to not sink like a diver
But rise to the top and be a survivor.

Compromise is what we do
But we also have to ourselves
Be true!

It's clear now, animal rights are centre stage again in Australia, following extensive protests against animal cruelty in farming practices, and slaughter facilities across the country.

Community sensitivities are shifting to green on this subject, along with an aversion to the use of coal.

Labor is alert to it, but apparently not the Liberals, who as usual, drag their feet behind community sentiment.

If Liberals were to be honest, many conservative voters are actually behind the current animal rights protesters.

Along with the need to focus on this point, Liberals need to re- engineer a softer approach to the environment. There are votes to be won and lost on both these topics.