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Budget exposes Coalition’s fake immigration cut

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I suspect that Graduate support is related to the benefits that universities get due to the Education Industry. They are benefiting accomplices and traitors in the destruction of Australia and the western world.
Posted by Canem Malum, Friday, 12 April 2019 8:51:23 AM
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CM what background is yours?
I think many of this places posters are second, third, or even first generation migrants
And for the most part think much like you, about others following their footsteps
Why?
Posted by Belly, Friday, 12 April 2019 12:29:27 PM
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Belly said- I think many of this places posters are second, third, or even first generation migrants. And for the most part think much like you, about others following their footsteps.

Answer- I would hope that the electorate would recognize that Liberalism (both Left and Right) isn't the acclaimed panacea of myth. I believe this is true even for most migrants. At some stage I would like to be able to create opportunities perhaps for all ethnic groups to return to their ancestral homes in peace. I'm sure given the prevalence of cheap air travel they will visit time to time. In significant cases the reasons for migration have changed from 1. fleeing war or the aftermath of war to 2. fleeing extremely massive population growth and the inevitable poverty. In the case of 1. it is seen as perhaps outside of the individual control but 2. it is perhaps seen that the individual is complicit in their own misery and is therefore less worthy of support. At the end of the day resources are limited if there are more people then their share of the resources is less. Especially in a desert country. Also there appears to be more of a commonality of beliefs between traditional European cultures some more than others- over current migration patterns- so they are seen as being less of a threat to Traditional Australian culture.
Posted by Canem Malum, Saturday, 13 April 2019 2:25:02 AM
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CM while I am both confronted by your comment, and sad for you I understand you will never get your wish
Too doubt you understand the implications of that view, rather sad
We, the world as a whole, can never ever again be one nation one people
I am reminded of Hitler
Sad but informative CM
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 13 April 2019 6:51:33 AM
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Hi Belly, I'm still here. :)

"I think many of this places posters are second, third, or even first generation migrants. And for the most part think much like you, about others following their footsteps."

I don't think you can compare previous waves to immigration to the current influx. This wave is far bigger, far more diverse and seemingly unending. The post-war European wave was smaller, the migrants had similar Western cultural backgrounds to the existing Australian population and, importantly, they were actually encouraged to assimilate and become new Australians. Immigration also slowed down in the 1970s, giving Australian society time to digest the new arrivals.

Economically, we had a manufacturing sector back then. In theory, more people was meant to grow the size of the domestic market and produce economies of scale in the manufacturing sector. Nowadays manufacturing is gone and Australia just imports everything, meaning more people = more imports and a larger current account deficit.

With automation sets to further erode demand for labour, it doesn't seem particularly wise for Australia to deliberately keep adding people at such an extreme rate.
Posted by Bozec, Saturday, 13 April 2019 11:19:49 AM
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I think economist Michael Reddell nicely sums up how dumb Canberra's current Big Australia policy is:

“In a country with an export base almost entirely dependent on a fixed stock of natural resources – farm products, mineral products, tourism – and actually with foreign trade shares of GDP among the very lowest in the OECD, it is bordering on the insane to be actively importing lots and lots more people (as successive Australian governments have been doing in the last 15 years or so). It is a quite different matter in countries – like most advanced OECD countries now – that are trading the fruit of ideas, or that are tightly bound into sophisticated manufacturing supply chains. But this is Australia – one of the most remote countries on that planet which (like New Zealand) has failed over decades to develop many outward-oriented industries that don’t depend largely on natural resources (or immigration subsidies around export education). The fruit of the (vast) natural resources is, to a first approximation, just spread more thinly…

Truly astonishing in fact, in the specific circumstances of Australia. The enthusiasm of Australian governments for high immigration to Australia is just as wrongheaded – and more culpable – as that of The Economist’s editorial writers. All sorts of daft ideas have had their day over history. This one – at least in modern Australia – seems based more on belief and ideology than any serious evidence that Australians themselves might actually be benefiting from the immigration.”

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/10/no-economist-australia-not-even-close-best-economy/
Posted by Bozec, Saturday, 13 April 2019 12:13:51 PM
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