Bretex, we wait this early morning to see if Britain can pass its new deal to leave
And it seems unlikely it will get this passed
However maybe the real question is why so many governments thought giving up their own border control
Laws was a good thing
You could forgive conspiracy theorists for thinking the EU was and is just another experiment on the way to one world one people, may become one government
Can it survive? you tell me

International trade and trading blocs are a reality of modern living
But why has the EU involved total freedom of movement, law, and so much more we see as seperates issues for each country
By now we know Britex did not get the green light so what now?

Dear Belly,

The Europeans are fed up with the UK.
No - the EU will not crumble - it will
grow stronger. However, the decision of
the UK to vote against Theresa May's
latest Brexit offer will be to their own
detriment.

I feel sorry that such a small minority has
such a big say. Even Scotland and Wales want
to break away from the UK.

Foxy glad to see your recent stay in hospital worked out
Well in part, maybe most I agree
But England is a far different country than ours
It's Party,s while in part like ours are different too
Labour, as it is spelled there, is in very real danger its wrong leader will bring about a very real split
Conservatives are about to drop May
But the EU?
As a trading bloc ok but why common/one country laws
What about Greece Spain Italy, all struggling?
One world, say in 200 years, may look well then but so very many are being harmed by the concealed efforts to get us there the EU maybe just that

Dear Belly,

All this is doing my head in.
Too complicated for me.
I'd better stop while I'm ahead.

hope you are ok Foxy
Some subjects are confronting, should we not talk about them
Some people by overlooking a truth or danger have left their kids in locked cars
Should we forgive them, would we do that,remember the last time an idiot over took you while you waited for pedestrian to cross
Would you push the stroller out [without looking] in front of such
Every weekend or near it, a youth dies in a car crash, has any driver the right to not take great care of others on the road and his/her passengers
personal responsibility, not a new restriction on our freedoms, just a civil good practice we all ,or most of us, once practiced

Foxy Quote "The Europeans are fed up with the UK. No - the EU will not crumble - it will grow stronger."

When the people find out about there latest idea, like to make a bet.

** had to edit a lot the link is better **

The European Union's MANDATORY National Biometric ID Card Will Affect 512 Million People

A recent European Union (EU) announcement about national ID's will destroy millions of people's privacy and create a near global biometric database.

An article in State Watch News revealed that the EU has agreed to create a MANDATORY national biometric ID card.

If you combine what is happening in Europe with America's national biometric ID card, Real-ID it becomes painfully obvious that everyone's right to travel freely is in jeopardy.

512 million people will be forced to give up their privacy

A European national biometric ID card is all but a certainty.

All the EU needs is for 28 ambassadors to say yes and just like that 512.6 million citizens will be forced to give up their privacy if they want to travel.

"Today, representatives of the Council Presidency and the European Parliament reached an informal agreement on a regulation to improve the functioning of the European network of immigration liaison officers. It will now be presented to EU ambassadors for confirmation on behalf of the Council."

The Brussel Times claims that the member countries would have eight years to comply when the law takes affect.

All visa applicants will also be profiled."

Teenagers forced to carry national biometric ID cards

The Irish Times warned that children older than 12 years old would be forced to carry national biometric ID cards.

The State Watch article also warned that national biometric ID cards must be updated every 5 years and less for minors.

"Identity cards will have a minimum period of validity of 5 years and a maximum period of validity of 10 years. If issued, ID cards for minors may have a period of validity of less than 5 years."

http://www.blacklistednews.com/article/71551/the-european-unions-mandatory-national-biometric-id-card-will-affect-512-million.html

The EU has become the worst kind of bureaucratic octopus, reaching out & grabbing ever more & more power to it's bloated self.

The EU citizens do not have control of this monster, it is a power unto itself, with their elected representatives only an "advisory" group, rather than a government in our understood sense.

The Poms are very well advised to get the hell out of it, before it is too late to take back control of their own country.

The EU bureaucracy extract vast sums of money from the UK, which they spend as they like, with no real accountability. They want to rip trillions from the UK as it leaves to keep funding their gravy train, long after the UK is gone.

The best thing the UK can do is start playing the same vicious game that mommy's boy in France, & the East German battle axe have been playing.

The UE needs to be destroyed, it is an even deeper swamp than the US elites, & the UK should pull every plug to drain it as quickly as possible.

Hasbeen agree fully
Let us take a look at why British voters asked to leave
Yes we can not avoid refugees/migration under the control of the EU not their government played a roll
But much much more drove them
Forget the uncertain fate of Britex,look at the country's/members rebelling against the EU
Look at the country's staying only because they cannot afford to leave, prisoners of a failing experiment in bringing about a one country one future, until it is tried here, any other place

One of the reasons for the EU is that for the last 70 years Germany hasn't been allowed to have national pride. Lets suppose that the "German people were responsible for WWII and the concentration camps" at some stage they need to be let out of gaol and to move on with their future. For Germans there is no future because of their past- so they work towards the European Union. The Communists also probably see an advantage in keeping Germany down as they are one of the few countries that have been explicitly Anti-Communist in history. The European Union could also be seen as a step on the way to World Communism.

Germany should be proud of it's nation.

CM ? Germany, many think and openly say, is behind the EU
And wants to use it to run Europe

Belly,

I look at all the chest beating on both sides as more a matter of ego and self-interest than of public interest. The European Parliament may well want to make a corporal example of the UK over brexit, but to me it looks to be an example of cutting off your nose to spite your face. There is a lot I like about the European Union, but that does not include a European Parliament, Court, or common currency.

the unelected bodies like the EU and UN turn out to be very corrupt. Much of the gw nonsense and theft has been cooked up by these charlatans. I say drain the swamp.

runner while I may share the view the EU may crumble, we must talk about how it took place
France kept England out, for some time
To be honest countries voted on joining and wanted to do so
After we became aware it was much more than a closed trading block
Remember the warehouses full of beef butter and such farmers got paid to over produce, it became something else
Britex right now, may not take place, but it is powered by those rejecting one country type laws and other much more concerning things
I reject the thought any EU country was forced to join

'I reject the thought any EU country was forced to join'

Belly

Look at the number of sleazy international agreements that our pollies of both sides of the equation have signed up to without consulting the people. It is the 'elites' that have slowly signed away our sovreignity. How much say have the person on the street had a say over immigration, multi culturalism, idiotic climate deals. Ok if the people are stupid enough to vote to our own destruction fair enough. All the average voter is told at election time is that they will get a pay rise or higher standard of living. Our public servants and pollies then grandstand on the world stage and sign away our sovreignty.

runner it is brought about by world trade
Right or wrong we are stuck with world trade
Without it we are nothing
Mate extremes are never right
And extremist thought that leads to horrible things like yesterday live in the hearts of some who think they see things that aren't there
I doubt the EU is a good idea in its present form'
I think if some invisible group wants humanity to be one, on one planet not many countries, the should tell us
But I have nothing against FAIR trading world wide

The EU as a trading block was probably of advantage to Germany, France & the UK.

However when it's bureaucrats started dictating immigration policy, & even the design of electric kettles & toasters, it had exceeded it's usefulness, & become a communistic dictator.

It is always this when bureaucrats gain too much power. After all, if they had any real ability to judge future requirements they would not be bureaucrats, but entrepreneurs.

We have a similar, although much smaller problem here. The Yes Minister TV series really did predict the future. As people of lesser ability started becoming government ministers, our bureaucrats managed to get many dreadful policies up. We are suffering now from this problem, but no where near as badly as the UK, where EU incompetence is matched by the hatred of much of Europe for the UK.

Hasbeen again! I agree!
They said such things came about for safety reasons
Let this ham radio operator tell you that is good for the garden
They added to an already maze of wiring codes making it dangerous for some to fix an electric jug
Trading bloc yes one country never