Hey Steele Redux,
No complaints here, everything seems quite reasonable.
- We can call it a tie.

Benjamin Franklin was apparently Economically Liberal but believed in basic health care so that workers would be more stable and productive.

The problems with Socialism are complex- the father of the New Left was Marcuse who was a Trotskyite/ New Freudian. Socialism uses Social Liberalism to achieve Communism. Social Liberalism says the small groups of gays have equal rights to the large group of non-gays- it conflates possibility with probability- but what can you expect of the mathematics of social science. Socialism isn't democratic but neither is Communism. Social Liberalism is a way of causing Trotsky's Permanent Revolution- of dividing the people against themselves- to create a disfunctional society- so the communists can create a new world order. The implementation of Socialism in Scandinavian countries according to many isn't Socialist. See below based on a Google search ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model

http://fee.org/articles/the-myth-of-scandinavian-socialism/

http://thefederalist.com/2015/08/11/scandinavia-isnt-a-socialist-paradise/

http://bongino.com/does-socialism-work-in-scandinavia-part-1/

Communism and Trotskyism and Socialism envisages the world as becoming one without cultures- the class warfare argument- but Scandinavian countries have apparently been historically fairly Monoculturally Lutheran in contrast with Multicultural Multi-religious Multi-Sexual Western Policies.

Not sure why the Social Libertarians are pushing the idea of a Socialist Scandinavia.

so that workers would be more stable and productive.
Canem Malum,
When you look at the image fad of late makes it quite clear that physical health alone is just not enough !
What use is a physically fit looking human when the body & mind are drugged to the eyeballs ?
That's the dilemma we're facing.

In a recent CIS poll, 58% of Australian millennials had a favourable view of socialism, and only 18% had an unfavorable one.

In New Zealand, the far too young and naive PM declared capitalism a “blatant failure” despite the fact that NZ had, at least before she cast her toxicity over the country, low unemployment, robust growth, and a budget SURPLUS.

Young people cannot be all be bad on purpose. It must be their lack of historical education and general ignorance thanks to incompetent or disinterested parents.

Ttbn,

Yes, all universities should be teaching courses in 'The History of Socialist Societies, 1871-2019', with a focus on how quickly their practice diverged from their theory, and

Starting with the Paris Commune (or can we go back to the French Revolution of 1789 ?), and running through the 1905 Russian revolution, the 1917 revolutions, the post-WW I revolutions in Germany and Hungary, etc.

Going on to the various communist uprisings in China in the 1920s, and the ensuing civl war; the post-WW II communist take-overs in eastern Europe and China; the various African travesties in PR Congo, Benin, Ethiopia, Tanzania, Angola, Mozambique, etc., and moving onto Vietnam, Cuba, Cambodia, and now Venezuela.

Could any of them be described as a socialist success ? Hundreds and hundreds of years of combined experience, and how many of those societies have come through without using the execution squads and labour camps ? I'd suggest: none. All frauds.

I used to be a bit partial to Vietnam, but got to know a bloke who had been a trainee officer in the old RVN army, the losers: he was put to work for twelve years planting coffee trees up in the highlands; his diet was salty rice, deliberately too salty. So I wonder does sadism have an integral part to play in socialism ? Is mass execution and brutal treatment a necessary component in bringing about the workers' paradise ? If human nature is malleable as Marx proposed, then why not try to persuade people to 'improve' their nature rather than machine-gun them ? Or starve them by the millions in gulags ?

Hundreds of years of failure: shouldn't our young people be taught that at universities ? That there should be something better than rapacious capitalism (cf. Steele) and bankrupt socialism (cf. Loudmouth) ? That may be the historic task for this next generation of concerned young people.

Joe

'In a recent CIS poll, 58% of Australian millennials had a favourable view of socialism, and only 18% had an unfavorable one.'

yeah ttbn we all want ot believe

-we are morally superior even when we are totally immoral
-we all deserve something even know others have worked for it
-that the blame for all our ills are on previous generations not ourselves
-that the Government should provide everything free and only the 'rich' pay tax
- that to be intelligent you must agree with hopelessy flawed narratives (eg man made gw)

with so many fatherless kids and totally dumbed down professors and teachers, with a totally fake bunch of journalist its probably surprising the figures are higher in favour of such poison.