http://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/christopher-pyne-delivers-damning-verdict-on-the-state-of-australian-politics-20190210-p50wt2.html
Chris Pyne his thoughts are in this link
And worth the read, we will talk about this after the election, one it is said no Liberal member thinks they can win
Why are some commentators so very far out in front of both Liberal thought and voters
Are they harming this government
Did as many think, they drive the removal of Turnbull?

It is because people like Pyne & Bishop are still in the Liberals that I won't vote Liberal.

If I am going to suffer a lefty, immoral, corrupt government, it might as well be the real thing, Labor, rather than a cheap copy, the liberals under Turnbull & people like Pyne.

Hasbeen in fact you and those like you are the reason the election is lost
For months I have been claiming the Conservatives within this Government are harming it
Consider this, the blood sport we call politics is in the end a numbers game
Conservatives will never have the numbers
Maybe powered by not truly understanding Trump did not win an election, the Democrats lost it
Conservatives and commentators like Sky News, refused to see the numbers are not there
Here in our own little bubble they are, but never in the real world
Labor will win, but in truth here too Conservatives lost it, Labor did not win it

Paul indeed there are other options, we should look at them
My view remains get rid of the senate, it may be your view too if one nation and the Australian Conservatives have the balance of power
Democracy is not about the minors ruling over the majority
My new thread has some common ground with this one
Clearly Conservatives have failed to see numbers play the biggest roll and they clearly do not have the numbers
But our chook pen senate best serves them

Belly What is wrong with you your besty Paul has not even commented here and you brown nose quote "Paul indeed there are other options, we should look at them"

You are embarrassing, you make idol worship look like child's play.

Give it a rest.

Philip S.,

Have you never made a typo while posting?
Or posted to the wrong discussion?
What do you have against Belly that you continue
to pursue him discussion after discussion - finding
fault. Are you so perfect?

Dear Belly,

I very much enjoy listening to political commentators and
hearing their views. There's so many voices - many of them
strident and predictable. I think that good media is
good for democracy and a variety of views are important.
That's why independent voices should be valued. But I
guess - it is all a matter of perception isn't it? We
all bring our own biases into who we listen to and who
appeals to us. At least in this country we still have
quite a few choices - and we are able to make up our
own minds - to a certain degree.

Who will win the next election? I'm not predicting anything
at this stage. Predicting the future is risky at the
best of times. As the election draws nearer I would not
predict anything with any certainty at this stage.