For serious people to engage in discussions with fools like Aidan and SteeleReduxe is absurd, demeaning and utterly pointless.

Now the crackpot Greens in NSW want solar panels and storage to be compulsory on all new dwellings. (SMH).

ALTRAV,
Your argument is illogical. Relying on a hundred sources makes the network far more robust than relying on a single source.
Batteries being new doesn't make them any less relevant. Everything was new once!
The reason we're discussing batteries is because solar PV and wind power aren't dispatchable, so some sort of storage is needed if they're going to generate a high proportion of our power. I'm not saying we should rely on batteries exclusively, but our being able to put them anywhere is a big advantage, and Hornsdale has proven their worth and suitability.
The compatibility "problem" is trivial. Things you're not used to may make you feel uncomfortable, but economically and ecologically there's far more at stake than your feelings.

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JBowyer, what makes you think renewables don't work? Haven't you realised the economics are totally different from a century ago?

False assumptions are not common sense; nor is anything that relies on them.

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runner,
I notice a few days ago you've uncritically quoted ttbn saying:
...'all in the name of playing God and deluding themselves that humans have supremacy over nature. '
This surprises me. Don't you think humans have supremacy over nature (as it says in Genesis 1:28)?

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ttbn,
"For serious people to engage in discussions with fools like Aidan and SteeleReduxe is absurd, demeaning and utterly pointless."
Only if they're unwilling to learn anything. But then you'd have to wonder how serious they really are!

Aidan, history, not assumptions prove you wrong.
The fact that there are more of something means there are more things to go wrong, as is shown historically.
I may be wrong about many things because we do not have time and motion study yet, worth the paper it is written on.
Sure in time things will improve, but I cannot help but wonder based on history.
Aidan, say what you mean, batteries, dispatchable?
What you mean is, renewables are UNRELIABLE, so to sell the idea, they have come up with another cost defective answer, 'let's add batteries'.
The MAIN reason for the introduction of batteries, at this late stage in this whole renewable push, is that they are UNRELIABLE, and batteries simply helps them sell the concept, without mention of the added cost and ongoing maintenance.
I further loathe the idea of renewables because they add another bad dimension to the mix.
Visual pollution.
It may not be considered dangerous to health as the others do but it is never-the-less, an unpleasant scar on an otherwise beautiful scenery.
I am, amongst other things, a pragmatist, and renewables, by their very design are unreliable.
You see Aidan, I do not take subjective views or stands.
My position has always been one of objectivity, so I am not influenced by emotion.
Being a technical person, I can say with confidence, and the information available today, that renewables are NOT the way to go.

Dear JBowyer,

So are you really that far down a loopy conspiracy path that you think that someone reviewing forecasting accuracy would go and take easily verifiable data and completely fudge the study?

Idiotic!

So what do you think they have manipulated? The forecasts which would have been printed in all the papers or the actual daily temperature records?

Look mate there are some here who are so irretrievably bias toward any body or authority who threatens their non-global warming world view that they are climbing up their own backsides. Ttbn and Hasbeen are two examples. However I wasn't sure you were fully in that boat. Looks like you might be.

Ultimately you put yourself in a logic lock, you can't prove global warming isn't an issue if you are unable to present any data with which you hadn't already trashed its providence.

As to the continent being coloured red in the graphic you do realise this prediction that virtually the whole country had an 80% chance of experiencing above average figures was spot on. The forecast was made in October and Australia went on to record its warmest month ever in January. It was good high standard work by the BOM which we would expect. However you seem to be determined to beat it up into something it wasn't.

Dear Philip S,

I think you will find Belly's remark was directed at the temperature but mine was directed at JBowyer's claim about the supposed inaccuracies of the BOM. Facing unprecedented temperatures when you walk out the front door is a point worth making. Having said that I have repeatedly pointed out that it is long term figures which show the climate pattern.

Australia is now being subjected to unreliable power faster than anywhere else in the world: more than twice as fast as Germany, and 4-5 time faster than the EU, USA, Japan and China. We have the most expensive electricity in the world, and unreliables are wreaking havoc on the grid. All thanks to cheats, liars, hysterics and dumb politicians.