Many think we are on the way to one, a leftist dictatorship or for others a right one
What would people think about it 200 years after one came about
Yes pain for those forced to live in that time before and just after its formation
But in the end would humanity be better or worse for it?

Bad.

The resultant civil war would be a disaster.

BTW...one world government is never gunna happen, at least not peacefully.

Many truly think some one is working towards just this behind the scenes right now
It seems a Dictatorship would be the only way we would agree to one at this time
But as so very much is wrong with our current world just maybe a group promising an end to hunger [maybe not delivering] and housing for all even paid work,could be elected
What would those born long after the event think of it?
Maybe they would not be free to think other than what they are told, just maybe they would like it

kingdom against kingdom can't stand. Look at the lies and selfishness of American democrats. They are unravelling in front of our eyes as feminist lie, approve the murder of babies even after birth and then some get found out as rapist and racist. There is enough evil among this lot to rule out even contemplate an unelected, anti Sermitic God hating European one world Government. Jesus Christ will bring one world Government soon enough. Until then leave it to elected delegates some of which do a reasonable job while some like Turnull's termites simply virtue signal in order to display self righteousness to cover inward corruption.

A World Govt would turn out to be like the EU.

I in posting this subject am not saying it should take place
However it is my view it may well, even maybe underway right now
The rabid Christian right has had its say
And ignoring the well known claims the EU/Climate change/a long list including world refugee/Migrant flows are all in the name of one world will change nothing
I have never seen the world less united, just maybe some body stepping in and offering better could, in time get support
Too China or Russia may one day force it on us
Until we can say with certainty governments are not trying, say over a hundred years, to push such a thing we must consider it a possibility

I don't know about the rest of the world but the only thing that could save Australia is an invasion of common sense. The present bureaucracies are ruining this Nation & we don't even know for what. Greed sticks out by a mile as does disinterest for the common good !

Dear Belly,

One World Government?

I don't see it happening.

The UN was never designed to be a world government.
It has no legal authority over its member states.
It won't happen until the powerful nations give
up their right to veto decisions and they're
not about to do that. They need to protect their
own interests.

Participation in the UN is not mandatory which makes
it harder for the UN to do things.

Foxy in the end any thing is possible
Just maybe the failure to fix so very much will one day see promises made that will get people on side
Too we know a war can come, and if lost by the west
China, maybe in partnership with Russia could win such a war

I personally would be prepared to die to prevent it.

Just imagine the result when a Hitler, Starlin or Chairman Mo came to power, & one would, probably sooner rather than later. Today such people only get to control one country, & that is bad enough.

Give people like the EU bureaucrats power over the entire population, & catastrophe would follow in even greater that the EU catastrophe currently tearing itself apart.

Indi: A World Govt would turn out to be like the EU.

I think that what the EU & the UN are working towards. I see that so many other Countries in Europe are watching the UK just now. If that's a success then they'll pull out. Denmark will be the first to pull out after the UK. France & Italy will follow.

Foxy: One World Government? I don't see it happening.

It can't be allowed to happen. Many people have been working for it's inception for a long time. It would be worse for people than Socialism or Communism. These people have imbedded themselves in the Government of Most Countries, in the EU & the UN. I did read a book once, many years ago. It was a Paperback & had a grey Cover. I can't think of the name of it. However, it outlined the relationships of Big Multi-National Companies, Unions, Organizations & Individuals to each other & the a One World Government Movement. It also outlined how they all work with each other to keep the entire World in turmoil. The Aim was to Create this One World Government.

Maybe someone remembers the name of the Book. I think it came out in the late 80's early 90's.

There would be an elite & everybody else would virtually be Slaves.

They even made the UK change the name of Towns, I came across one in Scotland which had a town sign (xxxx, formally known as, yyyy) We asked them at the Pub & were told that the EU had considered the name of the town was unacceptable. On that note. Johnny Walker Scotch's name was changed to John Barr Scotch for the same reason. I brought a bottle. ;-)

Think about the mechanics of this.

Say it was to be bought about peacefully. How would its parliament work? Each nation gets a vote? Would China agree to being equal with Tonga? Would each nation get a vote equal to its population? Would Tonga agree to being swamped by China? (BTW that would encourage each nation to have a 10 child policy)

The logistics of how it'd work are mind-boggling and usually skated over by those pushing the notion because it's insurmountable.

The other option is some one nation steals a lead militarily and decides to conquer the world. Now its been tried once or twice before (Sargon, Xerxes, Alexander, Caesar (Julius not Octavian who was much too practical for such foolishness), Mo and his mates, Genghis, Napoleon, the Kaiser, Hitler etc) but all failed. there's little likelihood of a change in that pattern.

But no matter how it were to happen, it'd be bad for humankind.

Dear Belly,

As posters have pointed out - there are still
social, political, economic, and cultural issues that
would make the formation of a world state very difficult.

Our world clearly lacks the mutual trust, unified
ideology, and post nationalist mindset to form a world
state and countries are still way too iffy over giving
up their borders or falling in line with the political
ideologies of other countries.

Maybe (not sure whether we should) in the next century or
few centuries or so, but there is hardly any signs today
of any progress towards a world government. As I stated
earlier - not going to happen any time soon.

Belly,

Uniting both Australia and New Zealand under one government ? I suppose it could happen, although the South Island may secede. So might the North Island.

Australia and PNG ? Indonesia, Malaya and the Philippines, as Sukarno hoped after the War ? Why, one might wonder. India and Pakistan ? Saudi and Iran ? Good luck.

Re-unite Britain and Europe ? 'Invite' Canada to become part of the US ? Mexico as well ? Pull together all of the West Indies into one country ? Perhaps they could start with fielding a cricket team again.

Russia, the Baltic states and Ukraine ? Croatia and Serbia ? All of Spain as one single country ?

Uniting all of Africa ? Nkrumah had hopes for that fifty and sixty years ago, it seems so logical.

Brazil would like to be the No. 1 in South America, with all of the lesser sub-nations as its provinces.

Russia and China, under one government ? Turkey and Russia ? China and India ? China and Vietnam ? Well, Vietnam did fight a 100-years' war for its freedom a thousand years ago, maybe the enmity might have cooled down by now. Oh no, wait, they fought a war only forty years ago: this week would be the anniversary of that one.

But always look on the bright side, Belly. :)

Joe

Foxy point taken and I agree
Jayb you may well be right in fact I agree
Now how much say did we the average person have in swapping integration for multi multiculturalism
Do we have any say in the wars in the middle east
See we may have no say in it, it could be a forced Dictatorship
Or forced by the victor of a world war
What if world trade broke down, and hunger even starvation took hold
Would we take promised relief and vote for it
IF it took place what would it look like in 200 hundred years
Would people except it by then

One world government, just so long as it does not include idiot's liike this one.

MP reveals he DOESN'T KNOW how many houses he has after it emerged he's listed as the owner of FIVE – but has only declared two

A government minister who called himself an 'idiot' for inappropriate conduct towards a female soldier has revealed he doesn't know how many properties he is listed as owning.

Assistant Minister for Roads Scott Buchholz faces new accusations he failed to declare his extensive property portfolio to the government.

Mr Buchholz said he was investigating the ownership of five Queensland properties with his accountant, The New Daily reported.

The Liberal minister has two properties in Boonah and Blackwater, Queensland, declared on his register of interests in the House of Representatives but a search on RP Data suggests he is the owner of a number of other properties with his former wife Lynn.

Four Queensland houses appear on the database as belonging to Mr Buchholz, including one of the houses that was declared.

'I have always kept my register of interests up to date with amendments provided as required,' he told Daily Mail Australia.

'I'm currently going through a property settlement as the result of a divorce and will keep my members register of interests up to date within the required timeframe.'

Mr Buchholz and his former wife paid $850,000 for a four-bedroom home in Dugandan in 2015, documents suggest.

He solely bought a second property in the same suburb for $417,000 in 2017, according to a CoreLogic listing.

The former married couple acquired a three-bedroom Dalby home in 2007 for $187,000, listings show.

Mr Buchholz and his former wife's longest owned property on the database appears to be one of the residences declared with Parliament.

The Blackwater home was bought in 1993 for a slim $53,000.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6680651/Idiot-MP-reveals-DOESNT-KNOW-houses-has.html

To Belly.

The larger the government, the greater the risks of people falling between the cracks, or worse being openly oppressed. Not that smaller governments don't already do this but it would be a greater risk by the measure of how much of the population would fall into those cracks, live in those ghettos, or fill the mass graves and cremation ovens that have been associated with dictators of the past.

Giving a leader more power won't make them any more Nobel or more moral. Even if the one world government wasn't dictated by a single leader by by a counsel like the EU, the threat of things getting worse by falling through the holes is a big issue. One element of the EU is mutual support for all the nation's in the union, but those who don't pull their own weight make demands from the more prosperous nations without giving anything back in return. In the end it makes one population eventually lose the ability to help themselves.

These are the risks of a one works government, and they would likely fuel the world into a one world government civil war. Hundreds of years after the world government won't necessarily mean there will be a utopia like you hope for. It might have some better elements in it, but it will likely have way too many worse elements to not justify it.

Loud mouth Not-now-soon the threads is not about some thing I wish for
But it is about some thing others are working for
IF it ever came about, not matter what was promised, it would become a dictatorship in my view
China is restricting some, maybe all, faiths
Maybe that would be an effect
A world army would soon end at least, terrorist army's
I wanted to include the 200 years here as a reminder once lost future generations may not see the loss of freedom and nationality as bad

Belly: I wanted to include the 200 years here as a reminder once lost future generations may not see the loss of freedom and nationality as bad

I suppose that's what the Soviet Union was aiming for. Any dissident's were eliminated. The Soviet Union was one big happy family. Or else.

One World Government. Very, very bad idea.

It all comes back to man's nature- is he good or bad- virtuous or not.

Liberal Arts is the Art Of Learning To Be Free (Virtuous) (in the Hobbe's not the Locke sense). Schopenhauer and Nietzche say interesting things here too where they talk about Will, Good and Evil, etc, etc.

If he is bad he can't even manage himself let alone the world.

Some are more virtuous than others- but who and how to judge- I have some ideas but this is homework... I support traditionalism.

Aristotle's book The Politics discusses good and bad government- this gives a small insight into the extremely complex issues of "mass government" and "mass institutions". Aristotle doesn't seem to address the complex issues of "competing good" and scales of government and juresdiction. Aristotle's book being sooo boring is a good way of convincing people of the fallacy of super-massive government- the reason it's boring is because people are not supposed to think in such terms.

Look at Robert Burns- he seemed to struggle to manage himself- yet some look to him as an inspiration for world government through communism.

Carl Jung said "you can't understand the mind by just studying sickness".

As Aristotle says we need to try to build virtue into the community but it cannot be forced- as communists and their friends seek to do today- in fact all liberals seek to do this- both social and economic.

One way to get around the problems of mass government is to remove the mass- there are too many people in the world.

But there are always those with power attempting to get more at the communities expense.

As Confucius says "the community is like a family". When it gets too big it stops being like a family... and becomes a tyranny.

In chaos theory there is the transition of an ordered system to a chaotic one- societies can be like this- but some thrive on the misery of others. Socrates said sane people need to work together.

jayb ok no defense in fact agree
But can you see some will never agree with us
Soviet Union at its birth was not seen by many as the failure it became
Some even spyed on their own country in its service
Say it was our job, yours and mine, to sell the idea
A promise of an end to wars,wipe out terrorism, control birth rates,house every one,
Put any thing you like on the list, because we both know once achieved no promise would be kept
Then consider a 200 year plan to sell/introduce it
Say multiculturalism, not integration
Open door to refugee/migrant intake
Can we ever be sure that plan is not in place right now

Belly: Then consider a 200 year plan to sell/introduce it. Say multiculturalism, not integration. Open door to refugee/migrant intake.
Can we ever be sure that plan is not in place right now.

Oh you can be sure. That was the purpose of the EU

I was very much for the EU when it started but what I thought it was not what it turned out to be. What it turned into has driven me away completely.

The only people in favour of a world government are those who think they'll be running the world government

One world-government is not a new idea, all Utopias ( = Dystopias) yearn for it. Islam, for example, is quite open in its aspiration that all the world will one day be Muslim. Any ideology which purports to have the Perfect Blueprint (never to be altered) assumes something the same.

Still, as Kant concluded, from the crooked branches of mankind, nothing straight can be made. Imperfection and diversity will always be with us. The task surely is to try to make the world a better place ? Not perfect - that way lies fascism in all its many guises - but better than we found it.

Joe

Again it was never my intention to promote or support one world government
Can we, any of us, say we could stop it if some super power forced it on us
It would be nice if we could stop finding reason to divide our selves
But such a government would not give us a say
Not sure we can say one is not planned, even underway
Why else would African wars terrorist based not be defeated
Why must Russia China and America use war to buy financial colonization of every oil rich country

@Belly, Saturday, 9 February 2019 3:52:48 PM

"Not sure we can say one is not planned, even underway".

Thanks for bringing this thread up Belly.

Yes is the answer. It is planned and it is underway. It's been underway for decades. And here is the blueprint, at least for stage 1 -

http://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/21252030%20Agenda%20for%20Sustainable%20Development%20web.pdf

It's a big document, plenty of reading and this is just a summary. It's phrased in loving tones and "freedom", "democracy" euphemisms. But make no mistake about it's world socialist government intent.

The first objective is to bring western civilisation to collapse. This is to be done by destroying western capitalist economies. Have you not noticed that Labour/Labor/Democrat/Socialist/leftist/Marxist governments all over the world try to break the treasuries of their own nations. It's intentional. It's part of the plan.

With nations reduced to states like Venezuela is now, they cannot fight or defend themselves. That's when the UN//EU step in with the "solution".

China plays the UN/EU game and vice-versa. China is now a fascist dictatorship and has world domination firmly in it's sights. The UN/EU is it's ally - for the time being. That's going to be another issue when that time comes.

Oh yeah just for the record, Russia is a capitalist democracy these days. Haven't you noticed? Russians are now freedom loving democratic capitalists. Putin and Trump are on the same side.

Anyway, that's all I've got time for today. I might check back tomorrow, but in the mean time download and read the PDF. Read between the lines to understand the full meaning. It is certainly a world control plan.

There's plenty more evidence out in the world about it, but it would be enough to write a book, and I can't fit a book into 350 words.

It is interesting that some of the posters who have previously stated they would get rid of the Australian states in a flash are so against a world government and the EU.

Why would that be?

Steelie: It is interesting that some of the posters who have previously stated they would get rid of the Australian states in a flash are so against a world government and the EU.

Has anybody voted for the OWO on here? But, I do happen to agree with you statement.

Jayb Quote "It is interesting that some of the posters who have previously stated they would get rid of the Australian states in a flash are so against a world government and the EU"

Answer I would rather be governed by one of the two party fools in Australia who do to an extent have to worry about my vote than a Merkel or Macron or Trump whoever the leader would be in a foreign country that did not careless about me and my country.

Getting rid of a state government or local government is not relevant to having a world government.

If you get rid of the Federal Government then it is an issue what to replace it with.

Thanks for your view, yes I do think some thing is underway in the direction of one world government
And we will not like it if it ever comes
First conspiracy, we take hold of some very silly conspiracy's and claim they are true
In doing so the public at large have come to think the very word, is foolish, and every theory with it
No doubt some, good people hope we do become one, even I would like equality for every race
But if we can not build a fairer world right now, what makes any one think we can do any better under one government
We in fact are dreaming if we think Russia China America Germany could give up their power to any one

One world government equals globalization.
The climate scare affecting peoples minds in the developed world is part of the one world,globalisation policy of the ruling classes.
One World started with the silk road in ancient china.Then the East India Company,British Empire,Post war, the Americanisation of the Western world and Soviet domination in the Eastern world.
Today we have the European Union,NAFTA and in Australia our Free Trade world.

All of these are why the average Joe is being manipulated by his Governmnet and the Media which is funded by Multinational companies that are telling our Governmnets what the people need to do.
Climate Change.The excuse for the billionaires such as Al Gore and Richard Branston to increase their wealth by increasing the taxes of the poor workers and directing the taxes through their Not for Profit recycling and renewable energy companies.

Think I need to repeat my views about conspiracy's
I have no doubt some of them are started by the true conspirators, to make us think all of them are false
Climate change, in my view is very real,and while debate about what causes it is possible saying it is not, is not selling
So in fact again in my view, some serve a conspiracy by falling for the false ones

Belly: I have no doubt some of them are started by the true Conspirators, to make us think all of them are false Climate change, in my view is very real, and while debate about what causes it is possible saying it is not, is not selling.

I think you are right there Belly. Just looking at the charts for the last 50 million years you will see that the GT sometimes goes up sharply & down sharply & visa versa. At the moment we are on an up-swing & have been for 22000 years. Global Scareists are pushing a point that is a half truth Someone is making money. It's the same with most Conspiracies', Half truths mixed with scare tactics to make a killing on the Global Market. Stupid people are easily conned into being the foot soldiers for the Organizers of these Groups.

To sort out the Wheat from the Chaff, follow the money.

I feel that OWG is real, but that's what my research shows. It even shows that some of the Organizations Opposing OWG are actually working for it.

<<The only people in favour of a world government are those who think they'll be running the world government>>

Well, sorry to say, there are others who disagree and they have no intention of running the world government.

http://bahaiteachings.org/world-government-world-parliament-world-unity

Whilst their position might be quite bold, I support any person or organisation who takes a position on a topic or matter, rather than a simple 'yes or no' approach, which in my view, achieves little to nothing.

jayb sorry, but we differ on climate change, I take the view the science is right
And too the view deniers are in fact chasing a conspiracy that is in the service of fossil fuel owners
Now for what SOME will see as a reason for one world government
End to terrorist armys, but not terrorism
Birth control a set population for the planet
Housing/health/education standardized
Not saying every thing will be delivered, but some would
Two hundred years after? who truly knows any dictatorship has good and bad out comes

http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
jayb while off topic, or is it as we mentioned it? this is from NASA
Now it is a huge leap to say they are lying to us
Also forgot Nathan, bloke it is true some want a better world and dream it can be via one government for one world
Who would you trust to run it
Has your pick any chance of doing that? ever?
Tell me it would be governed fairly honestly and you can count me in
Sadly the chance of that is zero
ps
jayb remember, some conspiracy's are the invention of the very real conspirators, in an effort to confuse us and keep the real one hidden

Belly: Who would you trust to run it

None of the Current batch. You only have to look at the Leadership of the UN & the EU to see that. Those Organizations have been taken over by Socialists/Marxist which would suit you Belly. Those Organizations have become totally unworkable. The very reason that Countries are pulling out. The UK at first then Sweden, The Danes, even the people in France & Italy are calling to leave with Spain & a few other Countries close behind.

While I agree the EU was a good idea, as was the UN, because of all the Laws & restrictions they became totally unworkable. The UN especially. Resolving into Dictatorships. Iven Communism is a great idea in principle, but proved a disaster. Especially for the millions of people that were culled on a suspicion or revenge.

So I don't believe the OWO is a good idea.

jayb mate!easy, let me be clear I would fight and die to stop Marxism or any form of communism ruling us
Now it may seem rude, but not intended, just the truth, your belief that such are behind progressives is in my view madness
Do understand my party is not a Socialist one
In fact I am often condemned for being part of the very engine that drives us, the right
Known as center unity
We agree on much but holding that view puts you in the coned corner
Test me, judge me, the election will be a rejection of our present government
It will be a call for action on climate change
To doubt the sanity of voters will not cover it, this country is wary of Conservatives

In the end some will find reason to say yes it will make us better
Wish that was true but it is not
This world is a mess we can not stop the wars and murders in the African continent or the middle east
Young women must lock them selves in hotel rooms to stop being returned to middle ages control
We can not manage this world and nothing other than a dictatorship could work in one world government
That however does not mean it will not come one day

- Now it is a huge leap to say they are lying to us -

The US runs its presidential elections, governance and foreign policy like a business;
And we all know that businessmen (and women) have incorruptible standards of ethics.

Look, I hate to tell you this Belly but bureaucratically it's already happened.
http://youtu.be/RbNLiJxvxbo

AC did you mistake some one elses post for one from me?
Not even close to understanding that post
Yesterday as the rat bag POTUS raved about fake news one of his hill billy supporters attacked a BBC reporter
Build the wall, around Trump
Make America great again
impeach Trump

Hi Belly,
Sorry I meant to put inverted commas around your quoted comment.
The point I was trying to make is that you're an idiot for thinking the US values truth and ethics.

Look at Venezuela and how brazen US regime changes have become.
They are literally starving the country out until they can have a US puppet leader they approve of installed.

And why?

So they have a leader who will privatise the oil industry so US companies can plunder the nations oil reserves for their own profit.

Its basically just a plan to steal all a nations wealth, and impose hell onto a whole nation of people.

They do it over and over again, and scream 'Russia's the baddy' Pffffttt

US wants a tropical Vietnam.

Uncle Sam says send your kids to die for oil profits.

You do realise that it can only lead to WW3 or Cold War type situations that only benefit the military industrial complex - when one superpower relentlessly imposes regime changes on other nations and someone stands against their behaviour.

I support Trumps wall;
But not his 'liberal' interventions.

AC sorry but if I said I trust Trumps America I must have been drunk, and it has been a long time since that
Agree America can not be trusted in past threads I named them as *America PTY LTD*
Nothing has changed
OIL America finds fault with any country owning it
And protects some true filth in the middle east because of it

"Agree America can not be trusted in past threads I named them as *America PTY LTD*"

Well maybe I was a bit hard on you, and wrong for calling you an idiot.

- Please accept my apology -

No worry's mate, but let us both remain concerned about America

A One World Govt could work as long as there are no Australians in Parliament :-)

lost internet when answering indy
Sorry you dislike your country but if we had one government it would be enforced on us
Any head other than the three big ones would be a figure head
Hope you find something to smile about each day

Hope you find something to smile about each day
Belly,
yep,I tend to forget how great it is to be fleeced & persecuted on a daily basis.
I must remind myself to be more grateful for this.
I see if I can get the genuine unemployed battlers & the victims of Centrelink to join me in prayer.

mhaze: Would Tonga agree to being swamped by China?

We saw a bit of that on todays News. China is pressuring the Pacific Nations to recognize a One Nation China that includes Taiwan because of all the infrastructure they put in place in these little Countries.

I just wonder how much influence they will exert on our Government especially if a Labor Government get in next election. We have already seen a little of what there "Donations" can do here.

indy old mate you have my sympathy, and remind me how lucky I am
I could list wrongs against me or the world for days
From a thief bank teller stealing from not just me but a few dozen and getting a bond for it
Yes workplace things to being pinched by a young cop for putting my seat belt on as I left a parking spot
I do not want every thing to be perfect
Right now one of the brightest men I ever knew is living in a home, in Queensland, to be near his daughters
See he lost contact with life more and more each day, be happy mate, we still have our brain

Well, Belly, I'm trying to create enough awareness so more people will sit back & consider the many inequalities in society & hopefully, just hopefully, they will consider becoming more compassionate & vote accordingly.
ALP/LNP are simply disregarding anyone on low pay.
They will never level the playing field until enough voters are actually demanding a more moral performance, one of these being tax bracketing & asset testing.
The drawback here is that as soon as the low paid get a $ 100/year pay rise, some union will invariably demand $1000/year more for public servants. And, so the chasing of the tail continues !

indy in my view the union for public servants is no union
We seem to want the same results but think totally different paths is the answer
But a truth we both can not ignore exists, currently no party other than the big two has any chance of ever ruling us
The clerk of the course has a better chance of beating Winx this weekend than that
But if we care to look, our wants and wishes are one day likely to be just what powers one world government
See every one wants a better world
Some truly trust politicians
Some would vote for a promise that is not likely to be delivered

World governance has been a huge failure. The United Nations was set up to be a world government with nations helping each other to stop wars and enforce world peace. Instead of doing that, they actually take sides with the warring parties.Instead of remaining impartial.

A dictatorship wouldn’t work either because revolutions can start in the streets, and thousands of men can rise up as armies to take control, as Isis tried to do.

Birth control. Good luck with that one. The white race pointed out decades ago, that maybe if some of these countries didn’t want so much poverty they should stop having so many children. Mouths to feed.

Not much mention of Saudi Arabia here when talking about shady world globalists.
They own banks around the world and no doubt have as big a say as, America, China and Russia in the shady dealings of world money ventures, banks and globalist companies.

CHEEFUL the Saudi Arabia thing is not ignored here in fact America PTY LTD need to look ,both are a blot on humanity
Have you given any thought to the chance we already have one world government?
That only the strings need pulling to trap us in a net that has been about to close for a long time?
Just maybe the sad mess and deaths on the African continent could be stopped if the United Nations was united
Why a world heal organisation the so very often fails to address health

The World Health Organisation is obviously only concerned about the health of its Bank accounts !

Power indy not cash drives them
If that is not true why the Ebola and other mass deaths in Africa