If I was to walk into a maternity ward and see your newborn, male child in your arms and say: "He is a violent, abusive person, because he is a boy!"

Most people hearing such words would be offended.

Intimate partner violence occurs in relationships irrespective of age, sexual orientation, gender, income or ethnicity and domestic violence is observed in both same-sex and opposite-sex relationships.

A complex range of attributes and circumstances contribute to someone acting in a violent or abusive manner, with many of the characteristics able to be modified via programs, which is often the most successful way of bringing the violence to an end.

https://theconversation.com/family-violence-response-must-tackle-all-forms-of-abuse-29267

So why is there a constant link to men and violence, when a range of complex factors, including one's mindset contributes to violence worldwide?

Link corrected.

http://theconversation.com/family-violence-response-must-tackle-all-forms-of-abuse-29267

Quote "So why is there a constant link to men and violence, when a range of complex factors, including one's mindset contributes to violence worldwide?"

Simple answer, statistically men are more often the perpetrators of violence.

Sociological research of the past two decades
has revealed an astonishing amount of family
violence - between spouses, between parents
and offspring, and among the offspring themselves.

It's been said that the police detest "disturbance
calls"- usually family fights - because of the
vicious and dangerous nature of so many of these
conflicts. In most non-fatal physical violence
between the spouses, wives are very much the
victims, wife-beating is a widespread and very
serious problem.

Each year, too, parents kick, punch, or batter
children. Child-abuse involving such acts as
burning children with cigarettes, locking them
up in sheds or closets, tying them up for hours
or days, breaking their bones - is alarmingly
common, and probably cause many runaways that
happen each year. And the sexual abuse of children
now a recognised national problem is rarely a matter
of molestation by a stranger. It is usually
perpetrated by one family member on another.

One source of this violence may lie in the dynamics
of the family as an intimate environment - close
relationships are likely to involve more conflict than
less intimate ones, since there are more occasions
for tensions to arise and more likelihood that
deep emotions will be provoked. Another source may be
outside the the family, for violence is frequently a
response to frustration. If the person affected cannot
strike back at the source of the problem - the
arrogance of an employer, say, or the lack of a job -
the aggression may be readily redirected at family members.

Perhaps the most important, violence between husband
and wife takes place in a general social context that
has traditionally emphasised male dominance and female
subservience.

In any event, the extent of violence in groups whose
members are supposed to love and care for one another is
not easily explained and suggests that the modern family
may sometimes be under greater pressure than it can
easily bear.

In most ways how you live is driven by your mindset.

Your mindset can be very closed, but it can also be open to change.

It can also be medically defined, and as a result one's mindset can be very difficult to determine how it is to function, for example with one having a mental illness for example.

A person's particular way of thinking, attitude or set of opinions about something do not simply come into play in terms of violence because they are born male or female.

A complex array of factors will come into play, to why someone is violent.

http://www.facebook.com/InsightSBS/videos/violent-femmes/10151365673107050/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEZH6YSQvwA

In other ways, violence can come from a politically driven mindset and can be very simplistic and populist. After all, all of the violent acts have to be undertaken by someone else! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R9eZ8c1EDo

Strange how society has become much more violent since kids stopped being smacked. Another thing social engineers failed on miserbly

Everyone uses the tools at their disposal to get more stuff- whether men, women or children. Some are just more powerful in their sphere. A swordsman wants to get sword distance from the archer because that puts him into the more powerful position. Most will avoid conflict when it's not in their interest. Sometimes they don't understand what is in their interest. Some will try to maximise their advantage in serial relationships- this has predictably bad results- but is one of the results of Liberalism and freedom.

Even way back, maybe as far as pre history men have treated women badly
Not all not only men, but it seems a wish to own or control is in our DNA
Much of us is from the first days out of the caves, some few hopefully,never quite understand both sexes should have the same rights

In international terms, the United States is an
extremely violent society, with a homicide rate
far exceeding that of any other industrialised
nation. A single American city like Chicago, Houston,
Los Angeles records more murders in a typical
year than does the whole of England. Most countries
severely restrict private handguns - in the US
there is a widespread access to handguns. One reason
is the persistent belief that, since criminals have
guns, law-abiding people need them for self-protection.

Actually, gun-owning households are much more likely
to suffer fatalities from their own weapons than from those
of outsiders. One study showed that only a small
percentage of all slayings in gun-owning households were
for self-protection. The remainder were suicides,
homicides, or accidental deaths, almost all involving
family members, friends, or acquaintances.

The proliferation of handguns is the belief, deeply held
by many Americans, that gun ownership is an individual
right.

For granting this liberty to the individual , American
society pays the price in the deviance of those who
abuse it.

Posted by Foxy- The proliferation of handguns is the belief, deeply held by many Americans, that gun ownership is an individual
right. For granting this liberty to the individual , American
society pays the price in the deviance of those who
abuse it.

Answer- Power needs to be held low in the hierarchy to enforce their own authority against that of hierarchical globalized and nationalized power. This is a balance- however imperfect. Man has the power for great evil and greatness. If the government acts with force against the people they need to be in a position to counter this force.

I see the issues with gun violence in the US as relating to specific US character. But I would need to analyse Foxy's comments in more detail. What is the population of the US cities vs UK population, ethnic makeup, the way police manage drugs, comparision of gun to knife violence, etc. Sea borders as with the UK are often more manageable than the US land borders. Traditionally the UK is perhaps seen as more Conservative than the Free Trading Liberalist US.

In my experience, the desire to dominate in a marriage is not only consigned to the more physically robust male, as many would have us believe. I've seen some quite large, very imposing men, cower whenever their diminutive wife makes a request or even gives them an order.

Some wives sound like they rightfully belong on a parade ground, the way they clamour and bellow at their more physically formidable spouse's. Even the hubby's size and physical presence, doesn't seem to deter them in any way.

Not that the request might be unreasonable, instead it's the way it's given, often in a very abrupt or curt manner, with a total absence of 'please' or 'thanks.' While it's right, men are generally the culprits in matters of domestic violence, it's not quite as lopsided or cut 'n dried as you might think? It's my belief, men often strike their partners, out of sheer frustration, unable to sort out their problem(s) quietly and reasonably.

As an aside - when a female does 'lose it,' the results can be catastrophic, with some terrible injuries occasioned to the husband. Sadly, in such circumstances, an ordinary DV matter quickly escalates to one of Attempt. Murder. Easily understandable, given the size disparity, between the man and his wife. And perhaps the many previous assaults, at the hand of a ruthless, violent husband. No woman should 'ever' be subjected to that type of cruel treatment from a man, for whatever the reason(s).

//If the government acts with force against the people they need to be in a position to counter this force.//

With their crappy little handguns against the might of the 'Murican military machine? Not even a snowball's chance in hell... the depth of some peoples self-delusion is astounding.

//So why is there a constant link to men and violence, when a range of complex factors, including one's mindset contributes to violence worldwide?//

Because statistically, men are far more violent (on average) than women. Of course, women are still perfectly capable of horrific violence and there are case studies to back that up. And men a perfectly capable of being deeply pacifistic and never acting in violence towards their fellow man once they have attained sufficient reason.

The majority of violence in America is done in the black community. Rates of violence here in Australia is much much higher among the Indigeneous than the average Aussie. Cultural issues come into play. Despite feminist/Marxist dogmas the homosexual community also has well above rates of violence. All these facts don't fit the narrative of the leftist truth twisters.

Little Johnny got himself into the middle of a domestic dispute the other week.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-13/john-howard-praised-for-intervening-domestic-violence-incident/10712200

QUOTE>>Kevin Rudd, who defeated Mr Howard in the 2007 federal election, also praised the former PM's actions.

"Well done John Howard. Any violence against women is unacceptable," he tweeted.

Following the alleged assault, a 44-year-old woman was charged with breaching an apprehended domestic violence order while a man, 47, was taken to hospital.
The woman is due at Manly Local Court on Tuesday and police said they "hope to speak with the man once he is deemed well enough".<<

Is there something wrong with this picture? Lol
The female was the aggressor and breached the AVO and the man went to hospital.
Yet numbnut KRuddler thinks its all about violence against women.

Does anybody ever sit back & consider how many cases of domestic violence are actually caused by women ?
Most reasonable blokes will lose it with the antics of some of the fruit loops posing as women but behaving like sandflies.

Belly Just out of interest where did you acquire your knowledge of psychology, it seems like from a comic book.

Quote "Even way back, maybe as far as pre history men have treated women badly" ** Try changing that to some men, to say men implies all **

Quote "Not all not only men, but it seems a wish to own or control is in our DNA"
** For that to be true it would then have to be an inherited trait from our parents, I would say you are wrong on that as well. **

Quote "Much of us is from the first days out of the caves, some few hopefully,never quite understand both sexes should have the same rights"

** On one side you are saying it is in our DNA now you are implying it could be a learned trait.

Three points three fails.

Canem Malum A few months ago I put here statistics from the US that more people had been saved by someone with a gun intervening than had been killed by people with guns.

Foxy bringing this into the discussion does bring up an interesting point, people with weapons or even in a gang see them self as being more than they are strength wise if they were without the added advantage they more than likely are little pussy cats.

Having a weapon or in a gang leads the inadequate to overcompensate and some become more aggressive.

what comes next knives, bottles, the weapon can also be relevant if the two sides are greatly mismatched, 50Kg person against 200Kg assailant as an example.

Information about crime in the US comes primarily
from the annual reports of the FBI (which compiles
data provided by local police forces). The high
involvement of American blacks in homicide
results primarily from the profound social disaster -
involving broken families, drug abuse, poor
education, and unemployment - that has afflicted a
small segment of black youth in the ghetto underclass.
Much of this black-on-black homicide appears random,
mindless, wantonly malign, psychopathic. Murder of
this kind is committed by people who feel that, even
if they lose their own lives that are not losing much;
who see no reason to adopt society's values, for
society offers them nothing; who get no nearer to
affluence or success than what they see on their TV
set; whose repressed rage and even self-hate erupts
against those around them.

Woman with weapon. Don't go to link if squeamish.

http://www.news.com.au/national/courts-law/she-nearly-cut-my-head-in-half-evie-amati-axe-victim-ben-rimmer-breaks-silence/news-story/bc240cd9c7833474c1051b67a125906d

The man whose head was almost cut in half by axe attacker Evie Amati has broken his silence about his near death and his fury at her light prison sentence.

Ben Rimmer has revealed how Amati slammed the axe into his face and in an exclusive interview told news.com.au, “If I hadn’t turn my head at the last minute she would have cut my head in half.”

Mr Rimmer has released disturbing never-before-published photographs of him after the attack, and details of how his face is now held together with metal plates he can touch through his skin.

He is doing so in an effort to get Amati’s sentence increased on appeal. She was sentenced to a minimum of four and a half years behind bars, after her lawyer argued her transgender operation caused her immense pain and contributed to her later trying to kill strangers.

Ben has revealed his disgust at the light sentence Amati got for sinister attacks attempting to murder him and two others.

“She went there to kill. It’s only pure luck that I’m alive and she’s not remorseful. She’s intelligent … calculating,” he said.

“She’ll do her time easily and get paroled in mid-2021. It’s played out perfectly for her, perhaps better than she expected.”

Ben Rimmer believes Amati, who news.com.au reported was an arrogant and lazy union staffer with a huge sense of entitlement when working as an organiser for the CPSU, will walk out of prison scot-free in mid-2021 and won’t be reformed.

On the night a drugged-up Amati took the 2kg axe she had bought two months earlier, Ben Rimmer was on his way home when he made the fateful decision to stop at the Enmore 7-Eleven to buy a pie at 2.20am on Saturday, January 7, 2017.

Unknown to Mr Rimmer, his life was about to change forever at the hands of Amati who just one hour earlier at 1.13am posted on social media, “One day I am going to kill a lot of people”.

Philip S- A few months ago I put here statistics from the US that more people had been saved by someone with a gun intervening than had been killed by people with guns.

Answer- Thanks for doing the research. Interesting.

No research just stumbled across the report.

Something MSM never reported as far as I could see.

To paraphrase Orwell- In a time of universal change- traditionalism is an extremist act.

If there was a link between gun ownership and the rate of homicide then as the rate of gun ownership goes up, the rate of homicide would go up. The opposite occurs. Gun ownership has risen significantly over the past 3 decades while homicide rates have fallen significantly over the past 3 decades.

If there was a link between gun control and homicide rates Chicago (which has the most restrictive gun laws in the country) wouldn't have one of the highest murder rates in the US.

If there was a link between gun ownership and homicide, white homicide rates would be roughly equal to that of other races. If fact white rates are lower than those for England and many other first world countries.

Homicide rates in the US are high because of the gang culture which fuels turf wars over primarily drug distribution.

If only there was a way to reduce illegal drug importation into the US. You know, by having something like a physical barrier on the boarder.

AC,

Was it ever revealed what John Howard actually did - if anything at all? The only thing I heard was that "he stayed with the woman". Seems to me that he 'prevented' nothing at all.

“Does anybody ever sit back & consider how many cases of domestic violence are actually caused by women ?”

Individual,

They should. That have only to look at the crazy, wild-eyed women in public demonstrations, screeching f...k non-stop. They should also remember that women are responsible for 52% of child murders. Some women are just as violent as some men, and it is becoming all too apparent as they seek domination - not equality as the more rational, decent women call for.

Foxy,

"In international terms, the United States is an
extremely violent society, with a homicide rate
far exceeding that of any other industrialised
nation"

In international terms, the US is far down the list of violent countries coming in at 43rd on the list on this site,
http://www.atlasandboots.com/most-dangerous-countries-in-the-world-ranked/
(and though the above is a list of dangerous countries, danger and violence often go hand in hand).

What has industrialization got to do with it?

According to this South Africa is an industrialized nation and their general crime and murder rates far exceed the USA.
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/n/newly-industrialized-country.asp

Foxy,

I'll just add, for your benefit, that Mexico is also an industrialized nation and has just had a record murder year, double that of the US but with a third of the population.
http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/mexico-sets-new-murder-record-with-more-than-33000-killed-in-2018/ar-BBSzicD?li=AAgfIYZ&ocid=HPCDHP

See also, re automobile manufacture,
http://napsintl.com/manufacturing-in-mexico/industries-in-mexico/automotive-manufacturing-in-mexico/

The entertainment industry & lack of welfare due to the costs of unrealistic bureaucrat salaries are a major cause of crime/violence. In less industry developed countries I'd imagine the exploitation of ignorance is the cause. In every country though it is the lack of punishment that encourages crime/violence.
In Australia I'd say it is the inequality of welfare & taxation that causes much of the domestic violence due to severe frustration caused by Govt sanctioned bureaucracy.

If anyone read my previous post, as I said, in my own empirical experience, when a woman really 'goes off' they do so big time. There seems to be no limit to the amount or quality of their violence, sometimes ending in attempted murder.

I don't necessarily think these women have a 'violent mindset,' I reckon for some, in a particularly unhappy or violent marriage, they simply arrive at a point, where they've just had enough. And once they do, well, 'look out' the results can prove deadly.

Foxy,

I was searching the net and found that people who own cars are more likely to be injured or die in a car than non-car owners and that people who own knives are more liable to knife injuries than non-knife owners, apparently the same applies to chainsaws and chisels.

Ain't statistics wonderful!!

is Mise,
Even more astonishing is the fact that most humans die of old age & the fact we die at all.

Hey Canem Malum,
"Everyone uses the tools at their disposal to get more stuff- whether men, women or children. Some are just more powerful in their sphere. A swordsman wants to get sword distance from the archer because that puts him into the more powerful position. Most will avoid conflict when it's not in their interest. Sometimes they don't understand what is in their interest."

I see similarities in that Men are Swordsman and Women are Archers.
Men want to get in there and be a part of the active confrontation.
It's part of our competitive nature, our pride and our general circuitry.

Women, have less strength and physical attributes to work with so they fight from a distance like the archers.

Women learn how to fight from an inferior position.
The art of fighting without fighting;
Non-confrontational fighting;

- When you stand back and cop the crap with a smile on your face;
All the while slowly moving the pieces on the chessboard in the background until suddenly all you have to do is push one tiny little domino over and the whole house comes crumbling down;

And they never suspected you did it;
- Because boys don't fight that way.

Is Mise,

The following link may help clarify things:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/family-secrets/201801/we-live-in-culture-violence

Hey ttbn,
"Was it ever revealed what John Howard actually did - if anything at all?"
"The only thing I heard was that "he stayed with the woman"."

I'm not sure if more was revealed;
But I haven't heard any more to it.

"Seems to me that he 'prevented' nothing at all."
- It seems that way to me too.

You'd think that just the pure shock of John Howard turning up in the middle of a row would be enough to calm the parties down temporarily...
So either the woman didn't mind his presence and attacked the man anyway;
- meaning JH prevented nothing;
Or he turned up after the action had already unfolded.

It would be interesting to hear the full story;
- Just for the sake of amusement and curiosity....

There's no point in beating around the bush. Violence arises & is perpetuated from discrimination against your own.
Discrimination arises from greed by those who already have more from exploiting others.
Greed is a result from a lack of respect & discipline.
We need a national Service asap to arrest this dreadful trend. Govt must reward people for effort instead of persecuting them.
We desperately need a political force to keep the two long established powers in check. Vote Independent for the sake of this Nation. Think before you vote !

Foxy,

Very informative,

"Moreover, the United States is the country with most arms per capita. Four out of seven persons possess a gun in their home or lives in a home in which someone possesses a gun. Approximately 97,820 people are wounded yearly as a result of a firearm – 268 a day. It was also found that, between 2012 and 2016, there were around 35,000 gun-related deaths: 21,600 were suicides and 12,800 were victims of homicide."

and despite the above, or because of it, the murder rate in the US is falling, now you have a look at Mexico, which has draconian firearms laws, and the murder rate is many times that of the US, and rising, and the actual number is much higher than that for the US, despite having a much smaller population.

Los Cabos City has a murder rate per 100,000 of 111.33, whilst the worst in the USA is St Louis with 65.83.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate

More guns mean less crime.

How're you going with the definition of industrialized nations?

AC,

Yes. All a bit of media hype on a quiet day, probably. It would be pretty silly for anyone Howard's age (and mine) to interfere in domestic violence when both parties often turn on police unlucky enough to be sent to a domestic.

Is Mise Add to that what I stated before "statistics from the US that more people had been saved by someone with a gun intervening than had been killed by people with guns"

Also If a criminal wants a gun they will get one, it does not matter to him or her how.

I'm not certain but I have heard of countries which have Military national Service where those who finished the two year service then keep a rifle in the home.
I believe the Swiss have the kind of mentality that allows that policy.