The electorate have a good understanding of the politics of the established political parties Labor, the Coalition and even the Greens and One Nation through their already established voices in parliament. One of the new boys on the block seeking representation is the Australian Conservatives led by Ex-Liberal Senator Cory Bernardi.

Reading the policy statements of AC most of which is orthodox conservatism and nothing to get excited about. With their big stick approach to law and order, more toys for the military boys, kick the public servants and those on welfare, schooling to be taken back to the 60's with the three R's and not much else, a hard line immigration policy, its all fairly predictable conservatism. Should you be a Rip Van Winkle and vote for these guys and they were to become government sometime in the future while you were sleeping (highly unlikely, they may not even win one seat this time round), what type of government would they be?
As I said most of the AC stuff is orthodox conservatism and nothing to get too exited about. However some of their polices might be a bit more extreme than what most Australians expect. A strong anti Muslim line is evident; "Australian Conservatives will engage in a rational, honest and realistic appraisal of Islam in Australia." That should be of concern to every Muslim in Australia. As for public broadcasting "We will require the new, merged broadcaster to strictly adhere to enhanced charter obligations of balance and a diversity of views." Open to political interference from the government. Just two items of concern, but there is much more undisclosed detail which should be of concern to those who intend to vote Australian Conservatives.
Before voting for this unknown quantity, Australians need to think carefully, because as a government these guys could get in on a conservative vote, but be the extreme radicals no one expected.

Redneck with a low IQ requirements to be a conservative here and in America
Pointless racism even hatred from people who them selves came from other back grounds
Yet sanity will prevail, out side Queensland at least
Not one bit better than Communism or Fascism true Conservatives are forever an uniformed minority

Thanks Paul, for the briefing. I had never looked into this mob, but they sound just like the antidote we need to counter the radical ratbaggery on the Greens & the heavy left of the Labor party.

Hey belly, when did you switch factions? Has someone woken you up to the fact that the Muslim enclaves are regular Labor voters. Your new philosophy does look like a shift to the radical.

The fake and immoral news outlets hate the conservatives. Shows they are closer to truth than others. Happy to have low IQ especially when being measured by likes of Belly

Dear Paul,

I don't like putting labels onto people.
I am starting to see just how divisive
that can be. Most people I know will be
conservative in some areas. Myself included.
I don't think we can really pre-judge people.
All we can do is look at the way they behave -
and whether we approve of their behaviour.
As for politicians? I think it's a question of
policies.

I note Paul is again demonising what for most part of recent Australian history were the values held. Multiculturalism has brought with it cultural and political agendas wit intent to change culture and law. As far as the Public Broadcaster they are now an opinion commentator both in news and entertainment and not free of political bias. We need to make them survive the same as other broadcasters.

Belly,

Sometimes you make me laugh. All one has to do is look at a union meeting to see the definition of rednecks.

Now let me get this straight. Having a "rational, honest and realistic appraisal of Islam in Australia" is a bad thing?

Are we supposed to have an irrational, dishonest appraisal? Oh wait Paul is a green. Irrational, dishonest is all he's got.

And apparently having a government owned broadcaster which has "balance and a diversity of views" is bad, bad , BAD? Well I suppose anything that will interfere with the far left's domination of the public air-waves is deplored in some circles.

With all
due respect may I suggest that we try discussing ideas
and policies - not attacking people personally.
That may be more productive.

Foxy,

" Most people I know will be conservative in some areas. "

Robert Conquest proposed 'Three Laws of Politics', the first of which is:

Everyone is conservative about what he knows best.

(the unstated flip-side is that it that you can only be radical about the things you are ignorant of.)

Just for fun the other two laws are:

Any organisation not explicitly right-wing, sooner or later becomes left-wing. (did anyone mention the ABC?)

The simplest way to explain the behaviour of any bureaucratic organisation is to assume that it is controlled by a cabal of its enemies.

mhaze,

Thank You - much food for thought.

Hi mhaze,

David Cameron claimed:
"Too many twits might make a twat."

Margaret Thatcher stated in 1978:
"People are really rather afraid that this
country might be swamped by people with a
different culture."

Paul1405- Interesting that you haven't labelled the Australian Conservatives as the Evil Party. Overall a fairly balanced view especially given you vote Greens. Kudos.

Foxy- Also interesting comments and not as biased towards the "do gooders" and so kudos are due.

Foxy agree but it is the best SM can do
No doubt he is or once was quite bright
He however has the Queensland blight
A condition that allows him and others with it, to ignore public opinion
Unfortunate but true
SM old mate how does it feel
Riding a dead horse months out from the election and knowing you are in for a fall
You my friend make me laugh and feel sorry for you at the same time

Foxy,

Sorry but you'll need to educate me on the relevance of those quotes.

Or are we just sharing funny stuff we've seen on the www.

In which case...
http://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/df0e967f74eab29c05488fa2bcfca2f44083fdb4b24ff4aec680161cb19af2e3.jpg?w=800&h=569

//Having a "rational, honest and realistic appraisal of Islam in Australia" is a bad thing?//

It is in when they're weasel words. When have Tories ever been rational, honest or realistic?

It's high time we get an alternative to the lot until now. After failure after failure after failure, could this new conservative party finally be the key that was misplaced when that Goaf Whitlam changed the locks to common sense ?
We don't have much time to the next election so the more info we can extract from the new crowd's policy department the better.
What is their view on the titanic stuff-ups of Centrelink, ATO, Immigration & Law& Order ?
If this new crowd can offer to level the playing field & properly cement in the goal posts then many votes are guaranteed.

realistic appraisal of Islam
Toni Lavis,
What's the problem with that ? Anyone with an ounce of integrity would not question the appraisal if it were indeed realistic.

Shadow, you once proudly boasted you had never been a member of a union in your life. So what would you know about a union meeting?

CM in all fairness, one of the biggest misnomers in modern Australian politics is the concept of left and right, I much prefer to think of politics in the terms of Moderates on one side and Extremists on the other. Given the generally healthy economic and social conditions that exist there is little room for any kind of radicalism to gain a foothold.
What is the issue, its never should the liberal democratic process we have in place be overturned and replaced, that would be extreme. Rather we argue about priorities and what emphases should be put on what. The main differences in politics is not what ends are desirable, but how we achieve those ends. Can anyone name just one true radical in the Coalition or Labor parties, who after all are the ones who will govern us.

Paul1405,
I think it might be against the Law to name people in that context, especially on a forum.

The answer Indy is there are no radicals within either party, I might malign many on the conservative side of politics, Barnyard Joy for example, but old Barney's no radical, unless a goose can be a radical.

Last election I worked in the Kingsford-Smith electorate, the two leading candidates were Matt Thistlethwaite Labor and Professor Michael Feneley Liberal. Both top blokes well known to me, and deserving of a seat in parliament. There can be only one winner and Matt got the nod. Talking extensively with both, you soon realise their similarities outweigh their differences. In my opinion they could swap parties and who would know the difference.

Same goes for the local party members, get on well with all, doing pre-polls the biggest issue is who's turn it is to get the coffees from the cafe down the street. One morning I even donated a packet of Iced Vo Vo's biscuits to the causes of socialism and capitalism. Fellas who share Iced Vo Vo's can't be all that philosophically different.

*To paraphrase Orwell- In a time of universal change- traditionalism is an extremist act

CM with respect that tells us nothing, and could be questioned
Some times using others words out of context is wasteful
Paul has it right
Yes there are some who want radicals, they are few
We are about to see here and in America, a reaction to right wing getting it wrong
After the election here we will see the masses, not the edges, have said enough
Then forced to see true Conservatives galloped away from their base, true small l Liberalism will make a return
America, right now the polls have very much turned on Trump
His petulant wish for his wall, is feeding a revival in the Democrat's

there are no radicals within either party,
Paul1405,
Ok, let's change the description. Instead of radical let's use massively costly for nothing.

A word to the wise is enough.

An appraisal of Islam has been done many times by various people.
It all comes back to the Koran and its demands of muslims to engage
in Jihad to conquer all the world and impose Islam by the sword.
No ifs and buts abut it. It was their poicy 1400 years ago and it is
still valid.
The current President of Turkey has announced his intention to rebuild
the Caliphate and reimpose Ottomen rule in Europe.

It all seems fanciful but it is real and they mean it. The clerics of
Islam say it repeatably. Their intention is to impose Sharia law and
close all democratic governments.
Since the 7th century they have never let up on their program of conquest.
If you doubt it sudy the 580 battles they conducted in Europe.

Now Paul1409 will say that is a lot of racial nonsense, despite the
fact that Islam is not a race but the left has become a solid block
of apologists for Islam. Hence his rebuttal of any consideration
of laws to counter the Islamic threat.
The muslims call the left the useful idiots.

The muslims call the left the useful idiots.
Bazz,
Idiotic traitors would be rather apt from our side.

Bazz,

Or, should that be useless idiots? Here are few of the delusions of socialism/progressivism:

Humans can change the climate.

Wind, sun and batteries can power the modern industrial world.

Socialism/ Marxism can work. Ignore history.

Sexual identity is a matter of choice.

Men can marry men and women women and then adopt children.

Masculinity is toxic; femininity is noble.

Little boys really must be feminised through cross-dressing, and homosexual role plays.

The army is a social experiment in gender fluidity and equal opportunity.

People who espouse non-progressive views are hateful, bigoted, racist, xenophobic and sexist and must be shut down; diversity has its limits.

Refugees must be allowed to flood across borders, but never settled among socialist progressives.

Foreign aid is never ever near enough.

Our forebears did unforgivably wicked things to indigenous peoples; our children, their children, and theirs in turn, must always be sorry.

Christianity is outdated and bad; Islam is the religion of peace

Well all that as well. The Muslims call them useful idiots because as
soon as they, the left, wake up to what has happened they will turn on
the muslims and the muslims will be ready and waiting for them as they
will have served their purpose and the left will be the first to
get the three options of becoming muslims, pretending to be Christians
and so get offered Dhimmini status and pay the Jizaj tax or get the sword.
They the left, will have to get off a footpath onto the road if a
muslim approaches. Ih the leftie has a good car he will have to surrender
it to a muslim. In previous times Christians and Jews could not ride horses and had to wear yellow belts or scarves.
So as Dhimminis you can expect a modern equivalent.
How does that grab you Paul1409 ?

All this sounds far fetched but ISIS and others have practised these
Koranic instruction many times this year and have done for the last
1400 years.

The soldiers of Islam have been doing their homework, they identified those western countries with greatest number of morons & sent their soldiers armed with iPhones to invade. Pretty smart & successful move.

ttbn & Buzz,

You cannot apply the term 'Useful Idiots' correctly. Its origin is somewhat unclear, however there is a body of thought that attributes the term to Vladimir Lenin, who in a cynical reference to communist supporters that were uneducated in the principles and ideals of communism, but still supported the concept. Lenin believed these supporters could be manipulated to a useful end, thus the term 'Useful Idiots' If ISIS has latched onto it, good for them.

I see you pair as 'Useful Idiots' having no understanding of Islam, but being totally manipulated by the extreme haters into developing a high degree of Islamophobia, makes a change from your phobia of reds under the beds. When called to arms I'm not sure whether you pair will be in the vanguard, highly unlikely, or to be found hiding under your beds (with the reds).

Lads, the thing I find most comforting about Islam is the fact that more than a billion believers (again like you, I'm not sure what they actually believe) are doing absolutely nothing to trouble me. That is despite all the rubbish that might be preached by the minority of Islamic radicals and assorted crazies.

Paul, What they believe is quite clear, they believe the Koran and
Mohammad and will do what is required.
Just ask the people who were in the Cathedral in the Philippines yesterday.
You are right they have not bothered you yet.
Except when you board an aircraft, why do you think all those checks
go on ? Yes Muslims.
Why do you think all those great lumps of concrete litter our cities ?
Yes Muslims.
Why can't my wife take a bottle of scent onto a plane ?
Yes Muslims.
I could as you know continue that theme indefinitely.
And ahhh I was waiting for that word Islamaphobia !
Phobia = an unreasonable fear.
Ask that man in Bourke St Melbourne if it is an unreasonable fear ?
Oh you cannot ask him, he is dead !
So you do believe that there could be a call to arms !
Hopefully we may not see it, but we may manage to fight our wars in
other peoples countries.
We will probably be fighting them in Europe the way it is going there.
We would have a fifth column here in Australia.

So you really do not know what is going on ?
I think you do but it is politically incorrect.
Yes Paul, you are indeed an appeaser.

I do not like the faith, believe it should, like Christianity did, be reinvented
Christ breathed life back in to God
Islam needs a re write, but not all not near all are evil
Many millions in history and now do not practice the faith, but appear to live within it
IF humanity can confront the truth, poorer people believe in bigger numbers in Gods,poor often, highlight that in Islam, are not well educated
Give up the God myth and in 200 years man could be one
Unreasonable blind hate only make us as bad as some of them

It is only the Islamic thugs and Imams that want change of laws and the rest of Muslims just submit to their rule and ideas. It only takes 5% to change a countries direction, the rest just submit, most out of ignorance of the thugs intent and ideology.

To combat the intent you must know the intent of your enemy. First the enemy will create dissention of the culture by using thugs to create discord, eg the Melbourne anti-Australian day March. Most there had no idea what they were marching for, only a few ; while it was about abolishing Australia day altogether and anything white British brought to this land. Even our flag, and days granted to remember aboriginal history, because they were bestowed by a Westminster Government. However hundreds there were pure white idiots who just joined in to protest and thought it was the day Captain Cook discovered this land. The organisers want to burn anything that reminds them the British culture exists here. This allows Islam to introduce a new culture they claim is for dark skin people. These people are the useful idiots.

We are privileged to have a couple of exceptional mind readers on the forum, Bazz and Josephus. According to Bazz;
"What they (over 1 billion Muslims) believe is quite clear, they believe the Koran and Mohammad and will do what is required."

Then according to Josephus; "Most there (Australia Day protesters) had no idea what they were marching for, only a few"

Can you tell me what is inside the heads of a billion Christians, or a billion anybody's, No you can not!

Is airport security simply in place as a deterrent to Islamic terror? It certainly was the catalysts for the implementation of such measures. However airport security is not excursively about that, other terror acts, plane hijacking etc took place by a range of crazies before the Islamic crazies got in on the act. So Bazz if you think getting rid of Islam will see the end of such security, you are wrong.

Like Belly, I have no allegiance to Islam, it is simply one of the monotheistic religions that in itself has no merit. Bazz to call me an appeaser is wrong. Those that transgress should be delt with at the full extent of the law.

Bazz, what punitive action on mass, do you want taken against the Worlds 2 billion Muslims?

(again like you, I'm not sure what they actually believe) are doing absolutely nothing to trouble me.
Paul1405,
It might pay you study the events in Europe due to this indoctrination. I recall when, as a youth in the 60"s, the first waves of "guest workers' spread over the countries which just use like Australians do now dismissed the warnings of the few who could forsee the outcome of misplaced compassion & the penalties for laziness.
I can only put this ignorance down to the decreasing standard in schools there then & here now.
Paul, may I also suggest that even as a Muslim sympathiser set your alarm clock 5 years ahead.

Paul, you do not need to do anything to the millions, just incarcerate the Imams and terrorist leaders and the rest will submit to a peaceful democratic even Christian culture. They merely rely on the leadership to tell them what to do. Example: Turkey's recent history.

Note the number of genuine aboriginals in the photos of the March. Also note the influence of the extremist left Greens had on the march.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/australia-day-of-shame-thousands-march-in-invasion-day-protests?fbclid=IwAR2p9hNunuwwcfst2qglzXug7ECJnd0NRdcCntNOWUq4waQ5ggeYY0czx_

Interviews done on persons present indicated they had no idea of the reason for the march. Many thought it was a protest about Captain Cook discovering Australia on the 26th January

Josephus,
Cheers for your sober views.

Paul said;
So Bazz if you think getting rid of Islam will see the end of such security, you are wrong.

Well then why does NSW have a designated high security prison just
for Muslims ? Gouldburn Supermax, nicknamed Supermosque, contain all
those convicted of terrorism offenses.

Where are the Buddhist terrorists held ?
Where are the Athiest terrorists held ?
Your response as above is another example of lefty diversion and excuse making.
Paul, I know you are not stupid so I can only put your typical lefty
attitude to group think and self brainwashing.
To pretend that the Jihad thing is no problem is remarkably naive.

Paul you know I do not think the greens are near as extreme as the right
But find the SMH this day read of the total destruction coming for NSW branch
not nice but true
Josephus you know I do not share your Christian right views
But YES! send the idiot leaders home or lock them up
Powered by my total belief no God ever existed I find radicalism in the name of a middle ages invented God unacceptable

Bazz are you suggesting Goulburn Max security prisons's only purpose is to house Muslim terrorists? I see it as a facility to house the most dangerous of criminals.

Belly, these forum fanatics don't only have in mind the sending of the idiot leaders home or locking them up. These fanatics with their vindictive nature would persecute to the max, as many ordinary moderate Muslims as possible just to prove themselves right.

Belly,

The problem with Paul's loony fringe greens party is that they consider Abbott an extremist. That Abbott won a general election in a landslide shows that certainly at one point he was far closer to the center than the greens or even labor.

The reality is that the liberals and labor are center right and center left parties. The extremists are the greens on the left and One nation on the right.

What gets me with outfits at the extreme of the political sides that we are not even asked if we want to keep them. The ATO should make it possible for us to choose where portions of our tax dollars should go.
I'd gladly pay an extra few dollars towards community services but I'm totally against being forced to support political parties AND provide for their Superannuations.
The Australian Conservatives at least make more sincere promises than all the others combined.
Before I make up my mind to vote for them though I want to hear of their policies towards doing something about the Govt sanctioned criminality of Centrelink.

Shadow, you can't talk, look at the lunatic fringe of the Liberal Party, they have pushed the self destruct button well and truly. If Abbott was so popular why did his own party give him the Big A. Why did they dump Turnballs? A question they seem to be at a loss to answer.

why did his own party give him the Big A
Paul1405,
Well, at least they're doing what needs to done. When will the Greens do the same with Di Natale & Hanson-Young ? Or when will Labor do it with Bourke & Blabbersack ?

Indy, you must feel extremely flattered that so many crazies from your side of politics are vying for your vote. You have a plethora of lunatics to choose from, not only the regular nutter, The Lovely Pauline, you now have Corny Banana, as well as the perennial fruit cake The Mad Katter and Crazy Clive is in there mooching as well.

Not only will you be happy with all this attention. the Labor Party will be also. Why the Labor Party? As the Coalitions vote fragments, on a two party preferred basis not all the lost votes will return to the Coalition parties through preferences, some will slide to the Labor side. In a very close contest this will spell disaster for the government. Something SM could never understand, but he is a complete novice who has no idea when it comes to politics and voting anyway.

no idea when it comes to politics and voting anyway.
Paul140,
So, we're down to who can con the voters more ? Nothing to do with policies & economy ?
That's why I went away from Labor, no integrity !

Shadow Minister I have never doubted you are an intelligent person
Not for a second
But believe you are well out of balance and understanding about politics
I offer you this as proof I am not so, your mob is about to be trashed
Abbott, he beat Gillard, she should never have copped the trash talk she did
She lost because she was a woman,Rudd,s return was far too late
Gillard betrayed my party
She had help
Abbott was is and always will be the lost child of the Catholic right
He was and is radical, he may well do a John Howard and get kicked out
No reason to deny the NSW Greens are buggered

Paul1405,
You're exposing yourself as a redneck !

Dear Shadow Minister,

You wrote;

"That Abbott won a general election in a landslide shows that certainly at one point he was far closer to the center than the greens or even labor."

Give it away mate.

Abbott before the election;

"no cuts to the ABC or SBS"

Abbott after the election;

"This promise was broken when the Government announced cuts to the ABC worth $35.5 million over four years in the 2014-15 budget, as well as announcing the termination of the ABC's Australia Network contract, saving the Government $197 million over nine years. Further cuts of $254 million over five years were announced in November 2014, and smaller ones in the 2016-17 budget.
ABC Fact check

What he told the Australian people and what his real intentions were are completely different. He was never a centrist.

Steele redux,
I don't understand you, cuts to the ABC are in the best interest of australian society

Indy, you were never a Labor voter, judging by your rabid conservative posts, like this one //cuts to the ABC are in the best interest of australian society//. From your ideological view point you would believe that to be true. What you want is for all "news" to be censored, and in the hands of a hard line conservative like the yank Murdoch. With a hard line conservative media all "news" would be simply doled out for public consumption, ensuring it was not critical of the Coalition, and it attacked Labor at ever opportunity. Just as the Murdoch gutter press does now

Dear individual,

You wrote;

“I don't understand you, cuts to the ABC are in the best interest of australian society”

Only if you are a Mudoch stooge mate. Now I get why Abbott and the Libs were such, and why they tore up media ownership restrictions, and why they fatally hamstrung the NBN, because they were paid handsomely to do so either by direct political donations or by favourable political coverage.

You however are doing it all for free.

Gawd strewth man you must realise surely what a bleating, mindless, sycophantic sheep you have been reduced to.

Well being on all fours might make it easier to service Rupert but don't you think you should stand up and look out for your countrymen rather than some foreigner who cares very little about this country aside from what profit he can pull from it.

I'm not a big fan of Shorten by any measure, but he gained a few brownie points by snubbing old Rupert during a recent visit to NY.

How about it.

Indy,

And it looks like Steele and I don't understand you!

Individual- I'm with you mate.

Paul1405,
I grew up surrounded by socialists so, when my first time for voting came around I voted Labor (Bob Hawke) despite the Whitlam legacy because I didn't believe that anything could get worse.
Keating made me change my way of looking at australian politics & I've been conservative rather than Liberal since. I'll be voting for Bernardi's party this time. One Nation let us down, Labor's policy is letting the nation down as is LNP lately.
Anyhow, here's another one by Thomas Sowell,

"No society has ever thrived because it had a large & growing class of parasites living off those who produce.'

That'd sound rather familiar to you & if it doesn't it should.

Paul,

Being an experienced Green has the currency of an experience monkey as your inability to understand why Abbott or Turnbull were rolled (or why Crusty Minge, Brown eyed Bob or diseased Rhiannon were rolled) so aptly demonstrates.

SR,

Why would Abbott's implementation of an efficiency dividend applied across all departments, and the axing of a Labor vanity project that Labor was warned against by its own government departments an indication of TA not being moderate.

If your post was to create doubt about your intellectual capacity it succeeded otherwise not.

Shadow the only monkey is you, despite a tirade you again fail to answer the simple question. If the Mad Monk was such a brilliant PM, why did the Liberal Party find it necessary to replace him with Money Bags Malcolm before the people could pass judgement on his performance at an election. Again, Money Bags has been replaced by Scum O' without the voters being given the chance to pass judgement yet again. Where does Mr Potato Head fit in, in all this? The only one who seems to have a vote as to who should lead us is the glove puppet controller, the septic tank himself, Rupert Murdoch who calls all the shots with the Liberal Party leadership. Do you agree?

If Rupert is the septic tank then the Left must be the content !
No point in getting in a pump, it'd clog up in seconds !

Nah Indy, I thought you wanted to get rid of the ABC and have all your "news" fed to you via the Septic Tank.

And the headline is; Paul1405

Paul,

If I am a monkey that would make you a cockroach.

Secondly, as you clearly have no answer for me I assume that you have had to accept that Abbott is far more centrist than any of the other cockroaches in the greens / one nation fringe parties.

Where will you be now that disease Rhiannon of the eastern bloc and Crusty Minge have got the flick and Jeremy Buckingham resigned for molesting women?