steelredux been waiting for you, in truth Joe [loudmouth] too
But let me be clear if we continue to let minority's left or right over rule majority's we are dead meat
No one here is more pro first nation
But in truth we, yes you too, often let fear of being said to be racist stop us talking about truth
I am white, my mum and dad too, yet two siblings, PRETENDED to be first nation
For gain
Thousands have done this
IF you win, IF we change the day, very soon after it will be renamed *invasion day*
Can we talk about those who would not be here today without their purely white ancestors
Remember our past honor our first people include them in the day
But while only a minority, even of them, want change? over my dead body
inclusiveness never division

Dear Belly,

Whenever someone says something like you just did “Can we talk about those who would not be here today without their purely white ancestors” I just look to my neck of the woods. The tens of thousands of Aborigines who inhabited what is now known as Victoria were reduced to less than 200 within 50 years. The tribes around places like Camperdown lasted even less than that.

The few surviving ancestors of those leading rich cultural lives before the settlers invaded their lands have every right to dismiss your words as ignorant and conteptable.

So it seems you are wedded to the date not for and real cultural significance, not for any real historical significance, and not for any real personal significance, but more because you resent being imposed upon by people you have taken a dislike to.

And then you think you get to call them divisive? That it is you who wants inclusiveness?

Pigs arse mate.

Many, granted not all, of our indigenous brothers and sisters, do have real cultural, historical and in many cases personal problems with accepting that date as one they can celebrate.

What about changing it to May the 25th, the date of the 67 referendum? Or June the 3rd when or High Court passed its judgement on the Mabo case?

Don't you think they were great strides in this county's unity as one people, where we became better than what we had been?

Or are you just hell bent on keeping the wound festering because you are intent on keeping your mind and your heart small?

January 26th is not the anniversary of a massacre but of the peaceful beginning of the building of an amazing modern nation. It's worth celebrating the achievement from that very start, not some date marking redress to the consequently disaffected.

Nobody can attribute to others a negative motive for celebration, just as nobody can tell the disaffected how they should feel.

Australia Day is a day for honesty, and all feelings about the foundation of its existence should be publicly vented. It's similar to Anzac day in that respect. Does Anzac Day glorify war? Does Australia day glorify what happened to aborigines? Let debate roll on each year

steelredux do not think I do not know or that I in any way want to forget it
Look my siblings used the rule that if a community excepts you as Aboriginal you are, soon after breaking off the relationships
FRAUDULENTLY tell me it is not true, [Bolt suffered because of this truth] many are in part white
Look at some of the claims from the once Canberra tent embassy
A percentage of our gross national product
Such claims breed hate, divide, in the end hurt those asking for them
do not use murders done by others hundreds of years ago'
Use the debate to unite not divide

Steelie: Or are you just hell bent on keeping the wound festering because you are intent on keeping your mind and your heart small?

The only people keeping the wound open after opening it in the first place is people like you. A Socialist who likes to load the gun for others to pull the trigger. All so you can impose your evil Socialism/Marxism on Australia.

Should we attack the Normans for invading England Or the Persians for invading Egypt. The people they invaded were at least civilized by the standards of their day, which is more than can be said for the Aboriginals still living as they were 200000 years ago.

On a rather funny note. A lot of the people demonstrating were asked what they were demonstrating about. Most of them couldn't really say & those that did said they were demonstrating against the day Captain Cook invading Australia. All these people from Universities too. All highly educated. Hee hee hee, Oops.

Dear Belly,

Mate, the massacres will still in full swing even at the turn of the last century and were finally pulled up as late as the 1920s. Still within living memory.

“The Coniston massacre, which took place near the Coniston cattle station in the then Territory of Central Australia (now the Northern Territory) from 14 August to 18 October 1928, was the last known officially sanctioned massacre of Indigenous Australians and one of the last events of the Australian Frontier Wars. People of the Warlpiri, Anmatyerre, and Kaytetye groups were killed. The massacre occurred in revenge for the death of dingo hunter Frederick Brooks, killed by Aboriginal people in August 1928 at a place now known as Yukurru, also known as Brooks Soak.
Official records at the time stated that 17 people were killed. The owner of Coniston station, Randall Stafford, was a member of the punitive party for the first few days and estimated that at least twice that number were killed between 14 August and 1 September. Word of mouth reports imagine that at least 60, possibly as many as 110 Aboriginal men, women, and children were killed. The Warlpiri, Anmatyerre, and Kaytetye believe that up to 170 died between 14 August and 18 October.”
Wikipedia

But that is not the issue is it.

You think some people are scamming the system and undoubtedly there are. But most are not. There are some who are claiming veteran's benefits without being entitled to them but that doesn't stop us honouring and funding services for returned service personnel.

Nothing in your last post gives me any impetus to change my assessment of the reasons you have for trying to hold steadfast to a relatively arbitrary date.

And to be perfectly clear mate they do not come within a bull's roar of the reasons some of our indigenous folk want to have it shifted so they too can join their fellow Australians in celebrating this fine country.