A recent peoples poll has shown the three most unpopular Federal politicians in parliament are; Peter Dutton (22,028 votes), Tony Abbott (15,932 votes) and George Christensen (6,090 votes). The grass roots peoples organisation 'Get Up' now intends targeting these three most despised politicians at the next Federal election with a view to ousting them from parliament on behalf of all concerned Australians. Dutton is the most vulnerable of the three, holding a slim majority in the Queensland seat of Dickson.

I know most of the forum members will be pleased to know that a truly representative citizens organisation like 'Get Up' is taking up the cudgels in the fight to expunge these three political bully boys from the national parliament.

There's a big gap between a few drones responding to a “recent poll” and the hyperbole of “Concerned Citizens Fight Back Against Extremists in Parliament”. The hysterical branding of the three politicians as “extremists” has to be attributed to Paul's choice of ‘recreational’ drugs.

Which foreign power is GetUp working for this time? It's foreign donations that keep them going. They are currently under investigation. A “truly representative citizens organisation”. What citizens? Those of the People's Republic of China?.

A “grass roots” organisation! What do you mean? Rooting under the influence of grass?

'grass roots' getup are dumbed down clowns who oppose everything decent and promote the gw fraud along with open borders. They are a disgrace.

did not one of the Greens candidate recently promote bestiality Paul or have they so many degenerates that you don't blink an eyelid.

The three gentlemen who topped the independent poll of concerned citizens, Monsieur's Dutton, Abbott and Christensen, no doubt were firstly shocked, and then dismayed, that they are so unpopular with a huge section of the Australian community. Most likely they are in a state of soul searching at this very moment, asking themselves the question over and over, "Where did I go wrong?", while holding back the tears. The answer to this question is obvious, EVERYWHERE! One would cry once confronted with the reality that the vast majority of honest, decent, Aussie folk thing I am a crap MP and should be booted.

Lets hope when they get the chop they go quietly, and we never have to put up with their destructive political nonsense ever again.

The poll was probably conducted in Wentworth.

Paul1405,
They're only despised by the parasitics & hangers-on et al. Citizens who are genuinely interested in Australia's future would strongly disagree with your selection. You'd find that Di Natale, Hanson-Young, Plibersek, Bourke would head the list.

Did I not read somewhere that the 'getup'organization consists of 12 persons only. I have never taken a great interest in 'getup'

Paul you point is both true and will be seen post the election
Still convinced some posters come from the southern American States, Queensland, and lets not forget Bulahdelah, noted for its lower IQs
You place a truth in front of us
Any one but nats IS from within the nats
Yes small l Liberals want their party back, and are fighting for it
Recruiting people to run against your mentioned members
AFTER THE NEAR DEATH SMALL L LIBERALS will start rebuilding a true Liberal party
such a party will, one day, be hard to beat a voters always reject both extremes small l is closer to their hearts than this mad hatters tea party

By gum, Belly, you have a hell of cheek casting aspersions on the IQ's of other people. Your shocking standard of English expression puts your own IQ below your shoe size.

Paul in attempt to grab the world title for the biggest pile of horsesht in one post has delivered this gem.

Firstly the "pole" was conducted by left whingers to left whingers and gave a pre determined result.

Secondly, calling Getup "concerned citizens" is like calling the CFMEU an unbiased consumer group. Getup is an organisation controlled exclusively by 8 Labor /green apparatchiks and was put in place to launder donations from foreign sources, developers etc that would otherwise be illegal, and campaign solely for labor and the greens.

Paul1405 Not attributing where you got the information bit hypocritical of you.

Getup did you do a check about them probably not, Soros and CO and maybe tell you the rest later (Belly should know).

Paul Labor greatest helper in the up coming election is voters who like the lost posters here who refuse to see truth
Left left left the loony right marches in circles looking for a shadow
Yes even Abbott,s electorate has its dump Tony faction, FROM WITHIN HIS PARTY

Shadow, you are getting somewhat confused. That political donation from foreign sources was the big wads of cash given to the Liberal Party by overseas investor interests. Not to mention the conga line of Liberals who had to front the NSW ICAC after taking illegal money from developers.

Phil, I could have trolled through that UK rubbish tabloid 'The Daily Mail' looking for beat ups and fake news that I could regurgitate here and have a shot at the Labor side of politics in Aussies. But there was nothing there, the rubbish was all aimed at Labor, nothing on the conservatives.

http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/scott-morrison-not-helped-by-the-unhelpful/news-story/3dbb3be1fa881b9f8525cb94a18262ce
Paul the right of reality will not read it
Crying la la la with hands over their eyes they will continue to deny facts
To those with minds that aim to see both sides? interesting and true

Indi: You'd find that Di Natale, Hanson-Young, Plibersek, Bourke would head the list.

Buggar Indi. You beat me to it. Oh! add Shorten & Wonky Wongy.

P1405: A recent peoples poll has shown the three most unpopular Federal politicians in parliament are; Peter Dutton (22,028 votes), Tony Abbott (15,932 votes) and George Christensen (6,090 votes).

The Poll question they asked their Get-up Members was, "Who do you think will cause the Labor Party the most problems in the coming Election?"

Thank you P1405. Now the enlightened will know exactly who to vote for.

Have to agree that UK Daily Mail is tabloid rubbish as Paul puts it. Even sadder you are more likely to get truth from this tabloid rubbish than the hopelessly flawed tax payer funded Marxist garbage dished out by the abc/sbs.

runner, I see your spiritual leader is going down. You know who.

Belly,
I meant to ask this earlier when you were still in anti Trump mode. As a Union rep who supposedly has the rights of workers in mind, how would you feel if Trump went down & all those workers who found jobs under Trump were to lose their livelyhood again if the democrats get in ?
Sort of like Shorten getting in here.

Indi, Jayb, you both beat me to it.
Never mind Paul and Belly, they have stated their allegiance to the bludger and buggers party, so we can't use anything they say regarding this topic, oh unless it's to bag the filth and disgusting foursome you mentioned Jayb.
Now there is the epitome of the level the standard of politicians has dropped to today.
Let's see, we have a slut, an incompetent up himself gardener, another female who again is as useless as t!ts on a bull like the rest of em'.
Then we have a real 'bourke' just to top the list off.
But then again they are just the tip of the iceberg, they're ALL useless, I'd like to know of one idea or law these buffoons (and I mean ALL the pollies) have managed to squeeze out, and that's after taking a whole packet of Laxatives, that has been good for the people and not for the govt and their mates, just one.
No, they lost the plot years ago and as I've said before, get rid of em', yes ALL of em'.
I'd rather a dictator, at least that way we knew who to get rid of and it would only cost the price of one bullet.
Much cleaner, much more efficient, and would stop the next incumbent filthy sleaze-bag in his tracks, and make him think twice about trying for the top job.

indy ALTRAV, some considered thought for you both
Trump, even in America, seems to no longer hold majority support
HE NO ONE ELSE has locked workers out, in the current lock down
Despise me, but yes I think he, by his every past action, harms more lower income workers than he helps
Gentlemen you, are part of a small minority, surely you understand that
My creed as a trade unionist always, is a fair days work for a fair days pay
In verbal tennis, remember this, a racket without strings is not a help

Well, well, well, what do we have here. ALTRAV would much rather a violent dictatorship than the moderate democratic system of government we have now. Instead of the ballot box he prefers the gun as the desired method of replacement of a hated leader. If your not satisfied with a Hitler type as dictator, you simply take a gun and assassinate him, he is then replaced by the ALTRAV preferred, possibly a Mussolini or a Stalin.

I had a terrible thought, what if ALTRAV was the dictator, he has desires to be the next ll duce, and one of our very own redneck fascists from the forum wanted to replace him.

Paul1405,
You're just too keen to display your ignorance. ALTRAV did not say he was in favour of a violent Dictatorship. Your shameless lying exposes your lack of integrity.. I'm with ALTRAV that a benevolent dictator is much preferable to a messed-up, corrupt & exploitive Democracy.

//I'd rather a dictator// to quote ALTRAV. Since I don't see the word "benevolent" anywhere in his post, the kind of dictatorship could equally be a violent one. The use of a gun to replace the leader indicates violence is acceptable in this wonderful society. What is a benevolent dictatorship, rather subjective, maybe you and ALTRAV would find the ideal "benevolent" dictator modelled on one of the following;

Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Augusto Pinochet, Francois Duvalier, Francisco Franco, Saddam Hussein,

Now surly you would see one of the above as more "benevolent" than the others, therefore more acceptable to YOU.

It easy for an old crusty blowhard, sitting at a keyboard to talk of dictatorship, and violent overthrow.

BTW, how do you proposes we move from the present moderate democratic system to this dictatorship. Is there a popular vote? Or is that also to be achieved by the gun.

You pair opened the can of worms, now start answering the questions. Lets see if any more redneck fascists pop in to support this dictatorship crap.

BTW, what is a "benevolent" dictatorship?

Who in Australia would fit your requirements to be that "benevolent" dictator.

Pauline Hanson, Cory Benardi, Fraser Anning, Tony Abbott, Dutton, Christensen, no, maybe you would prefer someone outside of politics. Join the National party they have members who are linked to the far right. The Liberals even had a Nazi sympathiser uncovered recently in Canberra. These are your kind of people.

'runner, I see your spiritual leader is going down. You know who.'

yes Paul He went down but thankfully 3 days later came back.

Oh no, that is what you believe about Jesus Christ, in his complete absence, other far more grubby leaders have come along to lead the flock. Your modern day Aussie leader has been found guilty of you know what, and is now waiting for some jail time I hope.

Face it Paul our three blind mice are no measure of intelligence
And too ignoring the coming victory of the ALP will be powered by far brighter voters than any of them

the coming victory of the ALP will be powered by far brighter voters
Belly,
You're obviously relying on the "brightness" of the first-time voters because the aftermath will be typical Labor-an economic mess.

Belly: HE NO ONE ELSE has locked workers out, in the current lock down.

No, It's the Democrats. All they have to do is let the Wall go ahead. Are you for or against the Wall?

Belly: My creed as a trade unionist always, is a fair days work for a fair days pay.

Now, you are one of the Old Breed Unionist. Yes that's what they believed in. But, The Trades Unions have moved on since your day. They see their Prime Roll now-a-days is to be disruptive as they can to turn Australia into a Socialist Nation, Like Venezuela. The Trade Union Bosses are reaping millions out of the Working Mans pockets into their own. It's a far cry from our day mate.

P1405: Who in Australia would fit your requirements to be that "benevolent" dictator.

Let's see. Shorten & any Laborite then any of the Greens under the direction of Soros. But, then again, I couldn't ever see them as ever being "Benevolent." Could you?

Paul 1405,
I have always read your posts and accepted them understanding
that you are a far lefty and that from that standing point it has been
enlightening. However this getup post is just so far out from
reality that I wonder if you have had a medical incident.
It is about the most charitable conclusion that I can reach.

Paul,

You are improving, your OP is brilliant satire.

“the coming victory of the ALP”

I don't think Alan Bell will see any change in his electorate, where both state and federal MPs are National Party. National party voters are unlikely to lurch far enough to vote Labor.

So, according to Jayb's revelation of the actual question asked in the poll, Paul's post is a big Green lie?

Hi Issy,

You are not alone, I too had a little chuckle on re-reading my opening post. After putting up with lots of hogwash from Phil and his UK Daily Mail crap, the "Someone should be sacked" nonsense, I thought I might try myself, found three to sack. The Get Up poll is amusing, they needed a vote to determine Dutton, Abbott and Christensen are three Coalition MP to target.

Paul and Co, people get who they vote for.
Your comment goes a long way to you showing your hand.
Only you would think about tyrants and baddies.
I and other well meaning and much deeper thinkers than you would prefer a benevolent dictator, anyway most of your suggestions were lefty's like you and your mates.
As for labour winning the next elections, I can't say, but unfortunately for Australia and us within, it looks likely.
I don't get how any lefty cannot see that the labour ethos and mantra is NOT the way to go.
Socialism, Communism, Labour, Unions, call it what you like, you fools don't want to cede to history, and the fact that YOUR beliefs DON'T WORK.
Classic point in case when the Libs left a lot of money in the 'kitty', along come the 'bludgers' and quickly turned it into a massive debt.
You're fools for having this naive short term thinking that your way is the best.
I'm trying to tell you that none of these ways are any good because we, the people are the bunny's, we are the target, and we keep getting extorted, Lab or Libs or any other two bit scammers, they are ALL scum.
It's too hard to oust over a hundred scum-bags, but it's a lot easier to oust one.
So stop pushing your useless labour mantra, thinking people have worked it out ages ago, your lot can't think past your last bowel movement.

For my two Cents worth I want to add that my personal experiences with Labor supporters have proven to me that Labor supporters have a severe lack of integrity. I only know a handful of labor voters who are decent people & they're jittery about the next election & who to vote for.
I'll most likely gor for the Australian Conservatives simply because the Coalition has already proven how out of touch they are too.
Morrison was one of the high priests of the Centrelink rort & asset testing. I won't take the chance to believe he's learnt anything about fairness since he got into office.

ALTRAV, changing your tune are we, it was a dictatorship, no mention of a benevolent one, what ever that is, you put that in when Indy add it to his. Hitler probably saw himself as a benevolent leader who had to do what he had to do. All dictators see themselves as good blokes having to do a tough job for the good of the majority.

Now about the use of the bullet, please explain that one. If 10% lover the dictator, benevolent or otherwise, and 10% hate the dictator, and the other 80% don't give a rats, do the haters have the right to assassinate the dictator? And I assume some of the lovers as well, because they may not take kindly to the death of their beloved leader, and want to shoot the haters. And you think the moderate democratic system were are in place now is a problem. Well I have news for you.

Indy "Labor supporters have a severe lack of integrity." This coming from a bloke who supports a dictatorship. Why would you vote, the democratic system is no bloody good according to you, you want some Big C running the country.

BTW, What is your personal experiences with Labor supporters?

Tyrants and demagogue come to power because it is the useful idiots like you pair that allow it to happen.

ALTRAV, What makes a dictator, read the like and you might recognise yourself in there.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/au/blog/the-psychopath-inside/201111/the-mind-dictator

Paul, again with the stupid questions.
First and foremost I would not want a tyrant, no I use the word benevolent because I agree Indy, and find it is an appropriate word.
Now as for the stupid question on 10% for and 10% against, your describing the current system because this one is even worse, when you get 50.1111111% being called a majority, is only mathematically correct.
In social terms and truth it's HALF.
So smart-arse here we have half the population getting their way, and the other half go get stuffed or to put it in Australian, 'go and get forked'.
You idiots can't see that the sh!theads we have in power now and previously are more dangerous than ANY dictator.
Don't forget there are still some of us with bolls enough to do what it takes, and that isn't always by the use of guns.
Remember your beloved commo pig, Whitlam?
So before you comment on the virtues of Labour, think first about your beloved leaders of past, ALL cons and rip-offs, leaving an even bigger mess when they left than when they began.

Baroness Margaret Thatcher said that trying to cure the British disease with socialism would be like trying to cure lukaemia with leeches. That sentiment also applies to the current Australian disease.

Paul1405,
The scariest part here is that you are a typical Leftie & there are so many of you. No wonder your lot is so against abortion. Your lot waffles on about Democracy yet when a democratic decision is made by the voters you sabotage that decision at every turn. Very democratic indeed.
You only approve of Democracy if Labor gets voted in. Calling you lot hypocritical is the kindest term that comes to mind at short notice.
You never suggest any answers, all you do is exercise your pathetic sarcasm. I challenge you to put forward a suggestion to sort out the rorting within the Public Service.

Paul please excuse
The rabid non-thinking right amuse me, just as much as the extremes in your party
And yes in mine
See minority's, trying to convince the majority, to buy minority views is a special type of madness
STRUTH!
how out of touch can one be
30 plus lost polls, lost seats like Wentworth!
Good grief, did you see one of the usual suspects snear at the voters there
Labor will walk it in, voters not me, will see to it
read the posts, see the under informed telling us we know nothing.

Belly, rather be an under informed than an ill informed.
You see the little that we do know means at least it is true, but the mass of knowledge the ill informed think they have is, well, wrong, because they are 'ill-informed'.
And you and your lot have proven your own point very well.
So don't try to sell your brand of logic, it just does not stack up under any scrutinee, because you're ill informed, remember?
I may be running out of posting limits, so if I don't reply to someone any time soon after this, I'll catch up once the 'stand-by' time is passed.

30 plus lost polls, lost seats like Wentworth!
Belly,
doesn't say much about your integrity if you count polls in the Left's favour as something to be proud of !

According to ALTRAV //You idiots can't see that the sh!theads we have in power now and previously are more dangerous than ANY dictator.//

Better watch out Morrison and Shorten are more dangerous than Hitler and Mussolini. ALTRAV what rock have you been hiding under? Is that because it takes the democratic process to remove the likes of Morrison and Shorten, but your pin up boys were dispatched most violently. After all you do believe in the use of the gun.

Indy thinks Corny Banana would be the perfect "benevolent" dictator for Australia. What rock have you been hiding under, the same one as the ll duce.

Belly, you have to admit this pair of useful idiots are value for money, they believe in dictatorships, but only "benevolent" ones, what ever that is! Please tell oh great ones, give us an example of a benevolent dictatorship, the type you are crowing about.

Careful Paul 1403, if you move any further left you will become a Nazi !

Queen Elizabeth I was a benevolent dictator. Perhaps not completely benevolent. But I think parliament was created under Henry VIII or before- so perhaps I'm incorrect in her being a dictator.

OK Paul, if Indy or any others with a broader view on life and with the ability to think fairly and equitably don't want the job, I'll step up to the job, because we all know that 'anyone' with a modicum of honesty, common sense and reason can do anything, as long as they leave emotion, greed and averace at home and not on the job.
Guys, it's not brain surgery, the biggest hurdle for the job is people wanting their agenda acted upon for personal gain for the few, such as property developers and the like, instead of for the people.
I've just finished doing a housing development, and I can't believe the things I have discovered along the way.
The only costs that were justified were the ones by the people who actually 'did' things, like the brickies, the chippies, electricians, plumbers and so on.
What I've discovered is that in fact those who did 'nothing' are making the most out of this development.
And you wonder why I hate this sh!thole.
For starters I financed the whole project so I expect to make the most.
To cut to the chase enough to say that the local, state and even the bloody Feds will come out of this with more profit than the person who put up ALL the money, not one borrowed cent, me!
Paul and Belly, if you idiots like this place so much you must be living on welfare or some other form of income that you had nothing to do with.
You see comrades, ONE of my tests as to the viability and the measure of a MAN is his ability to lead from the front, not hang back then crawl all over each other like cockroaches to steal from someone else,and then try to justify it by some pathetic excuse such as, we must have stolen the money from the poor.
You morons, I've been forever justifying my very being to low life like yourselves, even though I did not have to, but it turns out I was right, you guys are parasites.

CM, any Monarch could be considered a dictator, except for the Royal title of 'MONARCH'.
That was so because once the land was won in battles, the people on that land became the responsibility of the land owner, the one who won the battle, (mostly Kings and Royalty) and they were beholding to the new owner for allowing them to work and make a living off that land.
As time passed I think they moved to a different formula, and that's where the Lord of the Manor, or land possibly came from, ergo today's use of the word 'Landlord', possibly derived from it.
Not sure but I would like to know.
Never given it a thought till now.
Like life itself, there have been some pretty bad Monarchs of years past, however they have softened their stance these days and even though, like QEII, she plays a symbolic role, she IS still the head of state and still 'owns' Australia, which is a delicious rub for the loony left these days.
Or more precisely, the convicts. HAH.

Quite honestly reading the very lost grumpy old men of the lost right posts is fun
However they, not me, offer evidence of just how divided this government and its supporters are
It would never come to them but in truth they do more damage to true Liberalism/their government than any one
IF voters held the view these lost soles do one nation would govern in its own right
Do not make a virtue out of knowing very little about politics

Hi Belly,

I haven't said much about your posting, the way you cop a lot of flack from some of the extremists here about your grammar, spelling etc. Unlike them I know you were not born with a silver spoon in The mouth, and had to battle hard, firstly as a kid, and later as a man to provide for those near and dear to you. Its not whether you spell cat or kat that matters, its about the content and what you have to say that counts, and yours is first rate prose in that regard.
As I said before to you, apply the 'Armadillo Principle' and do not worry about those snipers and clowns, they have nothing worthwhile to say so they try to insult by belittling others. IT DON'T BLOODY WORK!

As for ALTRAV and Indy, they are yet to elaborate on that perfect dictatorship that they are so fond of. Too embarrassed I suspect after flapping the jaws a bit too much. They should form some kind of fan club.

As for the property developer and his whinge. Harry Triguboff (Mr Meriton), Australia's richest man. HT made his fortune out of property development. Don't know why you are such a failure ALTRAV, No business acclaim I suspect.

Belly does have a spelling problem et al, but all that he needs to do is to download 'Grammarly', or a similar programme, and he'll have no more problems.
If he doesn't know how to do it then perhaps, Paul, you could shew him how?

Paul, I think your memory is failing, I answered your question on who should be a dictator.
As for my ability to make money as a developer, again I'll come in to wipe the drool from your mouth.
If you actually bothered to retain what you read, assuming you read, you will find that I was not commenting about making money or coming out ahead on the exercise, don't fret, I'll come out ahead alright, I was explaining how parasites like the govt and the like steal money from such projects for doing nothing.
It's pretty much the kind of thing you and your lot thrive on, let someone else put up the money, take all the risk, then calmly extort money off them.
All that's missing is the gun.
Your kind will never understand how to truly succeed, you are incapable of true initiative, you only know how to hide in dark corners and lay in waiting for an opportunity to come by, then jump out and demand money with malice and menace, just like thieves.
You can try to sugar coat it as much as you like, with stories of a 'fair days pay for a fair days work', HAH!
You guys would implode if you ever tried to do a 'fair days work'.
So again smart arse, since you continually challenge me and you continue to ignore my responses, how about YOU or your mate tell us how successful you have been and some of the new and innovative ideas you have put out there for the public good and not just for your own selfish ends, oh and manning a polling booth or sucking up to scum bag politicians does not even come close to the register.
So you bang on about me not answering your pathetic challenges, even though I do, you pretend I don't, now it's your turn.
PUT UP OR SHUT UP!

It's not people like Paul's targets of hate that the Liberal party has to worry about; it's the damn silly women they allowed in and have showed that they don't believe in then party that nurtured them. Banks, Sudmalis, and now O'Dwyer is pulling the ‘family reasons’ stunt.

AAP summed up O'Dwyer very well:

“Industrial Relations Minister Kelly O’Dwyer, has seldom, if ever, laid a glove on Labor or the Greens but, like her protégé, is adept at causing enormous damage to her own side”.

And Andrew Bolt,

“Kelly O’Dwyer complained the Liberals didn’t have enough female MPs and seemed anti-women. That’s after she helped to ruin the Liberals’ image by backing fact-free claims by MP Julia Banks that make Liberals bullied women – claims not backed up by a single example.
Now O’Dwyer completes the damage by becoming just the latest female Liberal – after Ann Sudmalis and Banks – to jump the sinking ship of the Morrison Government:
But it should also be noted that O’Dwyer, of the Liberal Left ,actually looked like losing her once-safe seat to Labor at the next election
Now, with all these Liberal women quitting, remind me again of the argument for hiring many more fighters just like them”

And, according to SMH, the gradually getting smaller 'l’ political party wants to replace her with ANOTHER woman. O'Dwyer is 'certain’ that she will be replaced by a woman. So is Morrison - remember him, the girly man acting as O'Dwyer's 'noddy’ at the shoulder of the third dame to stab him in the back as she announced that she was quitting on TV last night. The same man lacking the balls to put the Fiji PM in his place after he told us what to do about climate change.

The government won't allow us euthanasia, but it is certainly committing suicide itself.

Paul yes true, a childhood harder than most, schooling more often ignored left me not well educated
13 left school full time, bumper year for pea pickers, dad earned about 4 pound a fortnight, I briefly, picked peas for 13 shillings a bushel
We went from bread and cockeys joy to lamb flaps and 333 pickles
YES know about the gramah check
Some who are clearly unable to think need an IQ checker
While I live I grow,
some, mind first decay

Belly- With respect. At least you had a Dad.

I am very serious on this.

//if Indy or any others with a broader view on life and with the ability to think fairly and equitably don't want the job, (of DICTATOR), I'll step up to the job (of DICTATOR)//

Now the penny drops ALTRAV, you are volunteering to take on the arduous task of DICTATOR of Australia! That's providing Indy or some other like minded cretin doesn't want the gig.

Now where do we begin, any self respecting DICTATOR should have a title, for Hitler it was Fuhrer, and for your personal favourite Mussolini it was Ll Duce. Unless you have any objections or an alternative, we should all refer to ALTRAV as LL Duce (The Leader), being of the same ethnic stock and all, I think its only appropriate that from here on in were refer to you as ll Duce, okay with that.
Now how are you going to install yourself in Canberra as DICTATOR, can't really do it through the ballot box can you. Ah yes, we get the Happy Clappers, better known as the Son of Jesus to storm parliament house and catch the incumbent PM in a weak moment, like when he is taking his afternoon nap, oust him and install you.

Can I be so bold as make a suggestion. To demonstrate to the masses that you are indeed a "Benevolent" DICTATOR, one of your first decrees should be "There will be no summery executions on Tuesday afternoons" In that way the people will soon come to realise that if they had, had a choice, they would have picked you for DICTATOR hands down. Thank you Ll Duce!

p/s Keep in mind all self respecting DICTATORS rule by decree.

Could you fill us in on what decrees you would be making. Other than that nice one about Tuesday afternoons, can we expect any nasty ones?

Ok, if we're going to play the Dicktater Game. Hmmm... Let's see.

First of all I'd get rid of al the Union Leader Heads, Then the Greenies, Anyone espousing to be aligned with the Marxism or Socialism. After that any Ultra Right Wing Weirdo's. Then it would be the turn for the Banking & Insurance CEO's.

Followed by Religious Nutters (Not ordinary Religious people), Anyone associated with Islam, Habitual Criminals, Pedophiles, Drug Dealers & above. A lot of the Law Profession would be worried. Ay? (Anyone taking Drugs has two weeks to dob in their Dealer or be included in the Cull)

The Airforce is going to be busy for a few months flying halfway across the ditch & back.

Hey! this is a good game. You can call me "El Saviour."

Well Paul, thank you for that eloquent introduction.
Welllll, let's see; to begin with ALL sports banned from schools and society in general.
School will be about learning the real and useful subjects which assist the student to become more aware and prepare him for a more confident working life.
Married women with children would be refused work over a man with a family.
Instill real and well entrenched historical family values and identity back in the community and the traditional family unit.
Reverse the queers so called 'marriage' act.
Remove any attempt to 'groom' children into being queers, and in fact make it a criminal offence.
Immediate incarceration for any and all those who try to 'lobby' or attempt to bribe me to get their scumbag ideas and projects through that don't benefit the public at large.
Repatriate ALL the assets once belonging to the people, such as power, water, and so on.
And I would simply take them away from these bastards, without compensation.
They have been compensated enough already.
Bring the cost of things like power, water, petrol, ie; govt owned assets down to a real 'cost' plus an amount to cover inflation.
I would lock in inflation at around 1 to 2 percent.
Also lock in the value of the dollar and stop it being manipulated by thieves and filthy money making scum who do nothing for society, just make money for themselves, and produce nothing AT ALL.
By locking in the value of the Aussie dollar will stop speculation by the scummy elite.
There is more but I will run over, that's enough for now, you get my drift.

Altrav: Immediate incarceration for any and all those who try to 'lobby' or attempt to bribe me to get their scumbag ideas and projects through that don't benefit the public at large.

Repatriate ALL the assets once belonging to the people, such as power, water, and so on and I would simply take them away from these bastards, without compensation.

I must say I do like these two. But what if they try to bribe you with Ideas that do benefit the People. Would you accept the money? or would you just say, "Good idea , thanks. I do that."

We are reduced to this, this section of On Line Opinion, has always had some children
Age no concern ability to think put them in that box
We, yes we have hunted some well balanced thinkers away
Education was,clearly wasted on a few
Never the less majority's elect government
And by their numbers in both houses, minority's are never, right or left, going to win govern
Labor *one party* is out polling the two, plus their pup one nation, that
make up this government

I'd start on reducing immigration to net zero,i.e. the number that left last year would be the max number allowed in this year, with permanent residence visas. Reductions would be done by not allowing in those groups that refuse to integrate and cause us grief. Muslims would be the first to be stopped and those groups that are causing trouble in Melbourne. Then those groups that practice FGM and underage marriage. Also any that practice polygamy would not be allowed in.

That will do for starters and we will then see how the rest of the immigrants fit in before culling more. Family reunion would be stopped forthwith.

Oh, I would give Peter Dutton far more power to deport wrong doers that have duel citizenship and permanent residence and toughen up penalties for law breakers generally.

Homosexuals would get specific laws regarding same sex unions (called ss unions) so as not to denigrate proper marriages.

Jayb, we'll have to wait and see won't we?
Belly stop putting airs on yourself, if someone stupid asks a stupid question one tries to be accommodating in case the questioner may chuck a hissy fit.
I have always said, sadly, that this country was full of fools that mostly voted labour, and if it came down to a single party vote and none of this preferences BS, the Labour party would have been in office from the very first election to this day and NO other party would have ever had a look in.
Now I have to correct you and/or Paul as one of you said the Libs took office once and sent the country into debt after it had been in the 3rd top slot for many years.
You see I remember it being the other way, Libs left the kitty with 40 Billion or so, then Labour got in and drooled all over the money, incapable of seeing it laying idly by and greed and averace as is their stupid rancid norm set about to conspire to get their claws into it, and sure enough by their terms end they had STOLEN all the money and left a bloody great debt in it's place.
That's the fact Jack, not that sh!t you try to push.
If I remember, it was Howard who left the money in the bank, Labour came along and robbed the bank.
Anyway I couldn't care less they are all scum so whether Libs or Lab, I don't care.
Give me the independents until something better comes along, that's not this load of sh!t.

(called ss unions)
HenryL,
You think the SS would have tolerated that ? ;-(

Dear HenryL,

You wrote;

"Muslims would be the first to be stopped and those groups that are causing trouble in Melbourne."

This is really what get me about the dropkicks on the right, they just don't have a bloody clue.

Mate, those who make up the largest proportion of the gang issue in Melbourne are South Sudanese and are Christian for goodness sake. Don't you remember when the Sudanese war was going on and the poor Christians in the South were being so persecuted by the Muslim north? Well they ended up splitting the country and there was general bewilderment as to why those in Khartom were so ready to agree to it.

It turns out that those Christian who ended up with South Sudan were so bitterly divided that the conflict vastly intensified among themselves.

Anyway let's run with your call, exclude those of the religion which is causing the issues in Melbourne. Okay mate you get my support. Go for it.

ALTRAV,

What have you got against preferential voting?

South Sudanese and are Christian
Steele Redux,
Ok but, I have yet to hear of South Sudanese Christians openly call for all non-Muslims to be obliterated.

Ll Duce, we have a problem. A couple of usurpers have raised their ugly heads and claimed dictatorial authority over YOU, how dare they! One is even referring to himself as 'El Savour', trying to cash in on the Jesus connection I suspect. YOU were legally and constitutionally installed as DICTATOR for life by the happy clappers, aka, The Freaky Sons of Jesus, in a properly constituted parliamentary coup d'état, which seen the most unpopular PM since Little Johnny Howard A-holed unceremoniously, that SOB is now seeking political asylum in that Commie Fascists State across the Tasman! Luxembourg!

These usurpers are trying to steal your thunder by introducing "benevolent" policies like yourself, Your Excellency. One is advocating a "cull" of some kind, not to sure what that entails. Well out go a whole range of undesirables, I hope you and I are not on the list, we are both very desirable, well at least I am, don't know about you.

Indy, blaspheming the SS now carries the most severe of penalises. You may be forced to watch re-runs of the 'Simpsons' for 24 hours straight, a penalty worse than death!

Ll Duce, any suggestions what should be done about this pair of Johnny-Come-Lately's trying to take what is rightfully yours? I agree that is enough for the first day as DICTATOR. I hope after that raft of humane decrees are enacted YOU are going to get tough with the crazy people.

p/s I particularly liked that policy of "Instill real and well entrenched historical family values" Oh! it sounds so good. However may I suggest you change the word "historical" to "wholesome" it will make your devoted supporters feel all warm and fuzzy, and love you even more, if that's possible. May I suggest a compulsory family board game to be played by all nightly, while watching you deliver all today's good news stories, the game will feature many of those wonderful policies of yours. A bit of a twist on the snakes and ladders theme. Some going up and some going DOWN!

Hi Steele,

Be Jesus, I'll be damned, you say these South Sudanese buggers are Christian, does the Pope know about this? You could crucify someone with that one. No matter, our fearless leader, Ll Duce, will simply decree tomorrow that these South Sudanese buggers are part of the Islamic sect of Christianity, problem solved, out they go!

Steelie,
You are indeed a dope and fool. Read my line again.

In your haste to win a point you did not see that I referred to to the Melbourne lot as 'groups'. I understand that the trouble makers there maybe Christian but I do not care and never bothered to find out. They have no respect for our laws or our citizens so no more of that group should be allowed into Aus. What is more they should be dealt with most severely and deported where possible. The African refugees lost me years ago when a group of them raped a woman in her laundry while her kids were in the house.

It should be obvious even to a dimwit like you that I do not care about religion, skin colour or any racial attribute, but only about a migrants suitability to contribute to the benefit of our country. We should not import those we have to carry, we breed more than enough of our own to carry and put up with.

For your information, it is quite possible that some parents that subject their daughters to FGM may also be christian but again I do not care. What they do is despicable and deportation is warranted. Why we import such low life is beyond me. Same with child marriage.

So SR you can shove your comments about my post, you will have to do far better than that to win any points. Now back to the tennis.

Speaking in tennis terms, your serve Steele.

Indi,
If I were dictator I would not care if homos liked my specific laws regarding same sex unions, as distinct from marriage.

The only reason they wanted the word marriage in relation to ss union is to capitalize on the good and wholesome name of marriage. The object was simply to lift the reputation of homos from the low position it holds because of homos sexual acts. They achieved that, mainly by deception.

By association with same sex it certainly lowers the perception of marriage as a wholesome situation.

I am disappointed because I never thought that Aussies would approve of anal sex and rimming, but voters did.

HenryL, hear, hear.
Good to see someone still has the ability to see reason and common sense and not succumb to the foibles of those who lack the courage to say what they truly feel and truly believe to be right as opposed to the PC wrong which is so much easier to deal with and not have to explain oneself to the misguided ones.
Don't let the bastards get a leg up, keep them down and out!

Paul you tell me every now and again not to respond to the bottom feeders
HERE in this thread we again see UNDEMOCRATIC insults, the vast majority of voters voted for gay rights
Here we see total contempt for well over 60 percent of? voters!
Remember those voters are about to toss this government out in big numbers
Our geriatric brigade will claim yet again voters are wrong
great fun

Hi Belly

//Paul you tell me every now and again not to respond to the bottom feeders//

Got to have a bit of fun now and then, we have some real dingbats on this one. All pushing a Nazi style agenda, wanting to rub out this one and that one, whilst claiming it would all be for the common good.

Numbers are might doesn't morally make numbers right !

Belly,
Have you had a sudden burst of Grammarly, or did someone else dictate your last post ?
re your waffle about democratic. So, in your mind anything that aids the Left is democratic but anything that favours the conservatives is not ?
The last federal election was a democratic result yet I haven't heard you accepting it instead, you're sabotaging it at every opportunistic turn.

[Deleted for abuse.]

ttbn should report you
We always have been strict here on the use of sock puppets
People with two names
Or after being barred returning with another
Question my intelligence but not GYs
indy pot calling the kettle black
my words are not put together in a way you like but they are mine
you however left thought out in your every post

reconsidered must put it in GY hands if not for me the real Allan B
please try to keep it real

Graham,

What are you calling abuses these days? I've forgotten what I posted.

Looks like you did 'report' Alan Bell. Dobber.

When was I barred, Alan Bell? When did I return under another name?

Graham,

I have just seen your message, and although you are the boss, I have to protest that you believe that what I see as the truth you see as abuse.

I accept that Belly is not Alan B. To avoid being deleted again I will ignore Belly's posts in future. There is really no need to point out what is self-evident, and I might have compromised myself somewhat.

Belly,
Just to show you how much of a hypocrite you are.

We also had a referendum on a republic and decided to remain as is. If I support becoming a republic is that an undemocratic insult to the vast majority of voters that said NO. Is it TOTAL CONTEMPT for other voters.

What about if you or I don't agree with other laws such as the age of sex consent, drivers licence age, voting age, age for marriage, driving speed limits or compulsory vaccination. Is disagreement with any one of them contemptuous of other voters.

One can accept that certain laws are in place but one does not have to agree with them. I will not let dogs lick my grand kids faces because I know dogs lick anuses, so I could not approve anal intercourse or anal licking. Filthy act!

Henry L you are better than that
So Kevin Rudd was elected in 2007 and he should still be PM
Are we bound to never change
Are your views the only ones
Watch the election results, see the voters make a judgment
Then understand no minority left or right will ever ever rule this country

Belly,
we pass law regarding same sex unions. I do not agree with those laws and give my reasons. How is that insulting other voters or being contemptuous?

Please explain, am I not entitled to hold and/or voice an opinion.

SteeleRedux Quote "Mate, those who make up the largest proportion of the gang issue in Melbourne are South Sudanese and are Christian for goodness sake."

** King of stupid comments strikes again.
1st The police do not ask what religion the person is when booking them, so where do you get your information?
2nd Your statement just defies reality, it would be like saying that all Italians are Catholic, ludicrous.
3rd Even if some of the parents are it does not automatically make the children the same.

Paul1405 I think you will find it is IL Duce NOT LI Duce.

You also get a big FAIL for not recognizing the statement by SteeleRedux is flawed.

//I am disappointed because I never thought that Aussies would approve of anal sex and rimming//

I suspect most people don't give them that much thought, TBH. I know I don't.

On the other hand, I do spend an inordinate amount of time thinking about lesbian sex. Because lesbians are hot, and there's a word for men who claim to be straight and also claim not to like lesbian porn: liar.

Toni, 'most' didn't give it 'any' thought until the sick, mentally challenged filth decided to force themselves into our consciousness and 'in our face'.
I don't care how many pathetic gutless people voted for these disgusting things, I don't care if they were born that way, it's not my fault and there is nothing I can or want to do about it.
What is fact is that facilitating them is absolutely NOT the right thing to do.
We all knew they existed before and even I had no problem with them, because they 'knew their place', because they now know they are reaching and therefore they are wrong.
Go back in the closet, do your 'thing' or each other behind closed doors NOT in public.
Why is it the stupid gutless people of the world haven't got the stones to say NO, what the queers want is NOT normal and the mature and thinking people with the coirage of their convictions have to tolerate the wishes of a sick minority.
The off-shoots of all this is going to give rise to even more sick demands.
Again are the gutless majority going to be relied upon to make more wrong judgement calls for everyone else?
I still maintain that it was not the 'majority' of the population who voted YES.
It was the majority of those who 'voted' that voted yes, the rest, which would have given an overwhelming 'NO', just could not give a sh!t, because that's about how high this queer 'survey' rated in the 'real' world, and the 'who gives a stuff factor'.

Kevin Rudd was elected in 2007 and he should still be PM
Belly,
He isn't for obvious reasons, even his side recognised his incompetence as did the LNP with Turnbull.
So, what's your problem with level-headed thinking ?

Henry L you are picking at scabs that are not there
Do you read all the posts before posting
If so you will have seen, ,in any thread, a few usual suspects who are a long way from balanced
It is those, the few who are openly trashing others views I targeted

//Go back in the closet, do your 'thing' or each other behind closed doors NOT in public.//

Dude, where are you hanging around that you're seeing gay people having public sex? I've never even seen straight people doing it in public. Are you into dogging or something?

Thanks for that Phil, "lL Duce", I would not want to get it wrong. Making such an error and I could find myself hanging upside down in the village square.

By your logic if three men attack a woman in Melbourne and they happen to be Muslim, then it is a 'Muslim Attack' but should they be Christian then it simply three men attacking a women, nothing to do with religion. Because if they happen to be Muslim, you are straight on the bandwagon to point it out, and link it to all Muslims. Interesting.

Paul, The Melbourne gang is not acting as Christians and is condemned by the words of Christ. They cannot claim to be following Christ they are reprobate. However the teachings of Mohamed allows sex slaves taken by force, as happening in the UK and Europe.

your claim that the right is pushing a Nazi style agenda, can hardly be correct as the "National Socialist League" can hardly be a Christian capitalist free market society. In character and philosophy Nazi more represents the socialist Left.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_League_(United_States)

then it is a 'Muslim Attack' but should they be Christian then it simply three men attacking a women, nothing to do with religion.
Paul1405,
Well, I have yet to hear of Christians yelling "Jesus is great" during an attack !

indi: Well, I have yet to hear of Christians yelling "Jesus is great" during an attack !

I think you are right indi. the Christian Sudanese are motivated by greed where-as the moslems are motivated by their Religion.

Secularism/marxism and Islam have far more in common than Christianity and Islam. They are both violent death cults one in the name of Allah and the other worshippers of self.

In 1978 the Christian Jim Jones and his followers murdered over 900 people, including about 300 children at Jamestown Guyana, all in the name of Christianity. Reprehensible behaviour is not excursively restricted to Muslims. Christians also have an atrocious history of justifying the murder of many in the name of their god.

You blokes are very selective when blaming religions for murder, the Muslims do it in the name of their god, but your mob don't, because they are misguided, according to you. In both cases the vast majority of adherents to the religion "responsible" do not agree or support this murderous behaviour carried out by a few in the name of their religion.

A pox on all religions!

Paul1405 Quote "By your logic if three men attack a woman in Melbourne and they happen to be Muslim, then it is a 'Muslim Attack' but should they be Christian then it simply three men attacking a women, nothing to do with religion. Because if they happen to be Muslim, you are straight on the bandwagon to point it out, and link it to all Muslims. Interesting."

** I did not even bring Muslims into it YOU did. **

** King of lies show me one comment of mine where I have linked the crimes of any Muslims to ALL Muslims.** Simply PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

Quote "Thanks for that Phil, "lL Duce", I would not want to get it wrong. Making such an error and I could find myself hanging upside down in the village square. "

** Sarcasm in the face of mistakes, very unbecoming. **

do we have standards here
I think we do, and insults such as the one used against Paul is needless
Foolish too

Phil, is not your Islamophobia one of your favourite topics for discussion on the forum, so I picked that as an example. Like any good propagandist you present material from a biased third party, like the UK rag 'The Daily mail'. Presenting that material for consumption, particularly by those that already hold a positive inclination towards the biased objective of the article. In that way it appears that the so inclined reader will believe they have drawn their own conclusions from the article, and have not been influenced by the writer.
One of the Joseph Goebbels standard rules for presenting good propaganda. I am not saying you intentionally do that, but that is how it comes across. Then when confronted you jump on your high horse and with indignation proclaim "I did not say that". Of course you didn't say that, you didn't need to.

Now you can jump on your high horse again and throw a few superlatives at me, and deny any of the above is true.

Toni, don't fall into the same trap as all the other 'losers' on OLO.
If you want to win a point, make sure you actually are reading things correctly.
If I had intended to say....'gay people having public sex', I would have used those exact words.
Now as I try to be a little more pedantic and detailed than most, I try not to misquote.
So, to put you back in your box; I said 'Go back in the closet, do your 'thing' or each other behind closed doors NOT in public'.
You must be very perverted or possibly a queer yourself.
In fact, I might ask, judging by your leans on these topics I have been meaning to ask are you in fact a queer female, aka, lesbian?
It would certainly answer a few burning questions that have surfaced over time.
Anyway, NO I have not witnessed any queers having public sex, so it is in no way related to my point, and you know it.
Your attempt at virtue shaming doesn't work with me, you see having sex in public doesn't bother me, as long as I am the one having the sex, and with a woman!
Only a mental deficient could condone any acts of queerdom, it engenders vial disgust at the thought of someone 'punching poo'.
And as for all the other unsavoury acts perpetrated by, not only queers, but traditional couples, well, it beggars belief.
And before one of the in house buffoons touches their keyboard in response, NO, I have not performed any lewd acts as is the norm today.
I have been more than happy to 'play' with the toys God gave us and not gotten bored with them so as to find more use out of the same toy.
When something is used in such a way other than what it was designed for, it just does not work, because it was not designed for any other function or use.

//Now as I try to be a little more pedantic and detailed than most//

//do your 'thing'//

You know, for a chap who claims to be a little more pedantic and detailed than most, 'thing' (in inverted commas no less) is awfully ambiguous. Why, it could just about anything a fellow chooses it to mean... and not necessarily always the same 'thing'.

//You must be very perverted or possibly a queer yourself.//

Just more insults then, and still no more arguments. :(

//In fact, I might ask, judging by your leans on these topics I have been meaning to ask are you in fact a queer female, aka, lesbian?//

No, ALTRAV, I'm a straight male. Which is why i'm not disgusted by the sight of the naked female form, or even multiple naked females. I am in fact aroused by such spectacles, precisely because I am a straight male.

//Anyway, NO I have not witnessed any queers having public sex, so it is in no way related to my point//

Oh... did you have a point aside from stamping your little feet and throwing a big-boy tantrum about how much you hate gays, for what must be about the fifteenth thousand time by now as if we've never seen one of your tantrums before?

Sorry, I must have missed it in amongst the well-rehearsed tantrum routine. Tories... they're such drama queens.

TL: I'm not disgusted by the sight of the naked female form, or even multiple naked females. I am in fact aroused by such spectacles, precisely because I am a straight male.

Now I have had occasion, many in fact, to see multiple Female & Male forms, Swimming, Playing Tennis, Golf, 8 Ball, Table Tennis, sitting around talking about what ever. Playing with the kids & teenagers. In fact just being normal. Was I aroused? No, not in the least, & I'm a straight Male. Why would nakedness, especially female nakedness, make you aroused? I don't understand.

//Why would nakedness, especially female nakedness, make you aroused? I don't understand.//

Then I expect you never will.

ALTRAV; " I have been meaning to ask are you (Toni) in fact a queer."
Toni; "No, ALTRAV, I'm a straight male."

I think ALTRAV is disappointed. To think you two were becoming such good buddies.

Sorry ALTRAV I'm a straight male as well, but keep trying, for ever ALTRAV there is a Steve. Good luck.

Paul1405 Quote "Now you can jump on your high horse again and throw a few superlatives at me, and deny any of the above is true."

** You are all mouth with not credibility.
AGAIN show me one comment of mine where I have linked the crimes of any Muslims to ALL Muslims.**

Belly Quote "do we have standards here
I think we do, and insults such as the one used against Paul is needless
Foolish too"

** What are you talking about. **

SteeleRedux So it is now evident you stuffed up again with your statement "Mate, those who make up the largest proportion of the gang issue in Melbourne are South Sudanese and are Christian for goodness sake."

No reply, in case you missed here are the problems with your statement.
1st The police do not ask what religion the person is when booking them, so where do you get your information?
2nd Your statement just defies reality, it would be like saying that all Italians are Catholic, ludicrous.
3rd Even if some of the parents are it does not automatically make the children the same.

** Quick to make ludicrous statements, but unable to accept they are wrong. **

Toni, I think your getting your commentors mixed up.
I merely ask if you are a female and/or a lesbian.
I have no idea of your reference to disliking the female 'form'.
I made my position about women quite clear.
Just so you won't go off on a tangent, I really suggest you read my post again, and you will find that we do not differ too much in our views on this subject.

//I merely ask if you are a female and/or a lesbian.//

Well the answer hasn't changed since the last half-dozen times you've asked, Captain Repetition. Have you got Alzheimer's or something?

Ultra conservative, in my view a person so detached from reality they use any fraud/insult/ charge to prop up their castle
Yes we have a few here, even less by percentage in parliament or trying to get there
And they are under increasing attack, even from within the party that they infected
This thread highlights that
words are not enough
They need but will never get enough votes

TL: //Why would nakedness, especially female nakedness, make you aroused? I don't understand.// <Then I expect you never will.>

Just to clear that up. I'm now 73 & I have been a member of a Nudist Club since my 20's. Nakedness is really no big deal to nudists, just so ho hum.

I got past the giggly stage in my teens or earlier.

Hi Toni,

When one is totally concerned only with ones own omnipotence, one has no time for the humdrum of the ordinary. Expect ALTRAV to ask you again if you are gay. Why does he need to know, your sexual orientation should be of no concern to the greatest man in the cosmos

We seem to have gotten far from the claim of Paul that Dutton, Abbot and Christensen are extremists that are to be feared and demonised as equivalent to terrorists.

The fact is these guys have represented a large part of their constituents for some time and reflect the historical values of Australia's past generations. Labor in power has encouraged diverse cultures to change the Australian society that we are now a culture of "might is right" and you will bow to us; and the culture of previous Australian values are evil and must be demonised. At least Paul believes this by his view of the values held by those he demonizes do equate to political terrorist.

Paul1405 - You appear to have missed this.

Paul1405 Quote "Now you can jump on your high horse again and throw a few superlatives at me, and deny any of the above is true."

** You are all mouth with not credibility.
AGAIN show me one comment of mine where I have linked the crimes of any Muslims to ALL Muslims.**

By your trying to change the subject and avoid answering your lack of credibility is apparent.

YOU made the accusation and all I want is for one example where I have done it.

Of course you could just admit you made a mistake.

Paul see this out going government has picked up Munden
Well ,so many rats are leaving the ship it must be hard finding people who want to line up at the nackery

Phil, I gave you details as to how one can, without actually saying so, directly have the reader who is so inclined extrapolate from a specific one off instance, then have them through their own biased thoughts apply that in broader terms to the group as a whole. As I pointed out to you Joseph Goebbels who if nothing else was a master propagandists, Goebbels employed that technique successfully over and over again against the Jews. Find or manufacture a Jew acting badly, play it up for all its worth, in such a way that some readers will come to the conclusion, that all within the group act that way, or support that action.

Many of the articles from the UK Daily Mail, and posted by you, are designed to do exactly that. As I said you may not intentionally do so, but it comes across to me, that is your intention.

Now you can jump on your high horse again and throw a few superlatives at me, and deny any of the above is true.

My original reply is at the following post;

Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 5:46:34 PM

//Just to clear that up. I'm now 73 & I have been a member of a Nudist Club since my 20's.//

Yeah, the attraction of naturism is one of those things I'll never really understand, along with the attraction of things like trainspotting and various forms of new age crap. Harmless but weird.

Also, whilst it all seems like fun and games in the summer, how the hell do you guys manage come July? I'm bloody well cold enough sewn into my long underwear and decked out from head to toe in my winter woollens as it is... imagine having to take it all off to go to a club meeting. Bugger that for a joke.

Paul1405 You can't worm your way out of this , simply put YOU stated Quote "Because if they happen to be Muslim, you are straight on the bandwagon to point it out, and link it to all Muslims."

** Notice your words "you are " referring to me not an article. **

So either retract your statement or show me one comment of mine where I have linked the crimes of any Muslims to ALL Muslims.

Just one, the more you avoid this the more others will realize what a liar you are and have a zero credibility rating.

Don't come back with more dribble about Joseph Goebbels,The Daily mail or Islamophobia they have nothing to do with this as you did not accuse them.

Phil, I have given you an explanation, your Islamophobia is well established. The Daily Mail runs articles which pander to people with your inclination on the subject. You reproduce those articles, with a heading demanding action, something like 'If this is true someone should be shot'. You do not need to write the article yourself as it already contains all the material that fits your mantra. Your hope is that by reproducing the biased story, which you didn't write, so it gives you some distance, will see more of the Useful Idiots, and those close to the margin conclude that this is typical of Muslims, or it is what the majority Muslims find acceptable.

What do you say is your objective when you put up these biased Daily Mail articles, if it is not to influence others to your Islamophobic way of thinking.

You have been well served in the way of explanation, no more needs to be added. Now you can jump on your high horse once again and throw a few superlatives my way, and deny any of the above is true

Paul1405 Liar - Congratulations for the Claytons answer, the answer to give when you have no answer.

So from now on I will refer to you with your new handle.

Too chicken to admit you made a mistake.

Belly: Paul see this out going government has picked up Munden

Mundeen was a labor supporter but he was rejected for a seat. Hmmm... so now he's teamed up with the Libs. Just goes to show. Aspiring Politicians are only interested in getting into a cushy job for the money.

TL: how the hell do you guys manage come July?

That's what the big Club House is for. Indoor Bowls, Badminton, Snooker, Table Tennis & Cards. A big Fire in the Fire Place. Other than that, most of my years were spent in Townsville. It wasn't the cold that worried us but the heat, but, that's what the Creek was for. Mini-Ten at night, that's sort of half Court Tennis & Kiwi-Ten. That's three a side Tennis, very fast & duck a lot. ;-)

Paul1405,
On a scale of 1 to 10 you reckon you could muster 0.1 of integrity ?

Hi Belly,

Warren Mundine sees himself as a Big Chief in the Aboriginal community, in reality he is sycophantic Uncle Tom who will sell out the Indigenous at the first opportunity. Mundine tried to win over the Labor Party without success. Isn't he some sort of adviser" to the bloke Turnbull made a so called 'Indigenous Affairs Envoy' Tony Abbott, that's achieved a lot for Aboriginal people, has it not!

All true Paul, he however is not the only rat to run under other colors
Loathsome Latham is running in NSW for one nation
On the other side an Ex Turnbull adviser is running against Abbott
Bet that hurts the rabid right

//That's what the big Club House is for. Indoor Bowls, Badminton, Snooker, Table Tennis & Cards. A big Fire in the Fire Place.//

So crank up the heater rather than just put a jumper on? Yep... you're a weird mob.

Jayb, I'm sorry I can't hold back any longer.
So are you trying to tell us that you can look at a naked woman and not get aroused?
Or to put it another way, you would not want to 'play' with her?
You see, I KNOW that's not normal, like many other things that people do that is also considered abnormal.
Animals, ALL animals, of which we are just one species, were designed to function in a certain way.
One of the functions was procreation, for the continuation of the species.
It was not a choice thing, it was implanted in our DNA or psyche, so that it happens naturally, and to deny or suppress such a natural human function is, well, unnatural.
I fear the word maturity went out the window with you and your mates libido.
Can't quite get my head around someone being aloof or indifferent around naked women.
Heck I even get aroused at interacting with Foxy, BTW anyone know what Foxy is at, haven't seen any of her postings lately?
I'm reminded of the old line, 'No sex please, we're British'.
Maybe that's it?

altrav: you would not want to 'play' with her?

No. It's called respect for another person.

altrav: I fear the word maturity went out the window with you and your mates libido.

You have got that "arseaboutface." Ay.

Now let's get back to the subject at hand.

Jayb, yeah, yeah, we'll get back on topic soon.
In the meantime all you've done is deflected.
So you actually believe ogling or getting aroused or wanting to play with a woman or wanting to make love to a woman, is dis-respectful?
Now YOU have got that arse-about-face, doing any of those things with a woman you don't respect, seems to fall into the category of 'RAPE'.
Jayb, I see things for what they are not what I'd like them to be, and surely you can see that walking around or playing tennis or whatever the hell you lot get up to 'naked' is not normal.
However interestingly and more so revealing, (pun intended) is the fact that you find it quite acceptable and 'normal'.
You see although it may be hard for you to believe, the only time being naked with the opposite sex, is actually to engage in sexual activity, whether heavy petting or actual sexual intercourse, although you may find this revelation a little daunting, I will direct us back to topic, in the hope that I have not traumatised you too much in my attempt to enlighten you about the social standards and expectations and emotional make-up of homo-sapiens.

Me thinks his blow up doll has no hole in it. My X brother-in-law was into nudist camps, but he was just an old perve. Jayb did you play cricket, with or without a protector?

Paul, at least your brother-in-law sounds like a normal healthy MAN, acting as normal healthy MEN should act.

Old School people Ay. P1405 & altrav. Potential Rapists who believe "a standing pR!(k has no conscience." Don't moslems have the same view about women or goats. I wouldn't want to be a women in your company.

Paul1405 Liar - With your past of lying I have to ask is the following statement by you real or are you fabricating a comment?

Quote "My X brother-in-law was into nudist camps, but he was just an old perve."

Phil, are you trying to become some kind of forum stalker, again? Good luck. Do they have a nudist camp for red necked Nazi's, I'll look it up for you.

Paul1405 Liar You should be able to come back with better than that.
In case you forgot.

** Show me one comment of mine where I have linked the crimes of any Muslims to ALL Muslims.**

YOU made the accusation and can't even provide one example where I have done it, that makes you a liar.

Of course you could just admit you made a mistake, and your new handle will be removed.

Well said Paul, trying not to get too involved in that posters rants
insults and over blown ego

Hi Paul,

Our local newspaper had an article on this very poll.
It seems that the advocacy Group "GetUp's poll is
having quite an impact. pressure is building on our
federal Liberal MP - Kevin Andrews to stand down
after thousands of respondents to the poll
nominated him as on of the sitting members they most
wanted to see lost in the next federal election.

The poll was organised by the lobby group GetUp
with respondents last week nominating the three
conservative incumbents they most wanted the
organisation to target with election campaigning.

Mr Andrews attracted 3600 voters with about 28,000
supporters of the organisation voting.

Controversial Dickson federal Liberal MP Peter Dutton
and former Prime Minster Tony Abbott received the most
votes in the unpopularity poll.

Mr Andrews, who is the longest serving MP in Parliament
having held his seat since 1991, holds one of the safest
seats in federal politics with margin of about 10 per cent.

But after a swing against him of 3.9 per cent at the 2016
federal election pressure has started to mount.

Former Mayor Stephen Mayne last year unsuccessfully
lobbied the Liberal Party to hold a pre-selection process
for the seat.

GetUp national director Paul Oosting said Mr Andrews had
a "corrosive effect on Australian politics."

He said that the MP's stance on marriage equality also
showed he was out of touch with his electorate.

Mr Andrews said he doesn't comment on "political stunts."

We'll have to wait and see if this approach allows him to
keep his seat.

//Now let's get back to the subject at hand.//

TBH, I've forgotten what it was. I'm more interested in this heaters vs. jumpers mentality. You know that the human body generates it's own heat from the food we consume, right? All you have to do is put on some layers to trap that heat, and you can stay warm even when you're not sitting next to heater.

Foxy: pressure is building on our federal Liberal MP - Kevin Andrews to stand down after thousands of respondents to the poll nominated him as on of the sitting members they most wanted to see lost in the next federal election.

Why in Heavens name would the LMP take any notice of a Clown Organization like Get-up? I can see why you fell for the Telstra Scammer. I'd be embarrassed too.

Foxy: Mr Andrews attracted 3600 voters with about 28,000 supporters of the organisation voting.

That's 12.9% of the Organization which is decidedly against Democracy any way. Being a Pseudo Communist Organization. Who takes any notice of what they go on about anyway. Stupid is as stupid does.

Foxy: Controversial Dickson federal Liberal MP Peter Dutton and former Prime Minster Tony Abbott received the most votes in the unpopularity poll.

Of course they did. What did you expect?

Foxy: GetUp national director Paul Oosting said Mr Andrews had a "corrosive effect on Australian politics."

They must really be afraid of the good job he's doing & worried that it interferes with their agenda. Ay.

Foxy: Mr Andrews said he doesn't comment on "political stunts."

At least he has realized that it just another nothing Get-up Stunt & is having a good laugh at them. As should we all.

Jayb Quote "after thousands of respondents to the poll"

Just like organizations and people with money can buy likes on Facebook etc polls are susceptible to being rigged.

Some people have hundreds of email addresses simple process to use a proxy server or set up your own and 1 dole bludging lefty can vote as many times as they like and no one except that person would know.

Hi Jayb.,

We'll see what the results of the next federal
election bring. It should be interesting.

Foxy: We'll see what the results of the next federal election bring.

So you'll be voting Labor? I'da thought you would have learnt your lesson with Scams.

Who is Get UP?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GetUp!

GetUp! is an Australian left-wing lobby group. It was launched in August 2005. .... In response, the Furniture Industry Association of Australia said that, "Get Up! are .... "New style lobbying: how GetUp! channels Australians' voices into politics".

Josephus: GetUp! is an Australian left-wing lobby group.

They are a lot more than that. When they first started up I joined & was invited to a few of their meetings. They are Extremely Communistic in their Outlook & Aims & they aren't backward in expressing their view in their Meetings. Extremely Green orientated. I haven't been invited back. Their Aims & Targets are all oriented to bringing Australia to a stand still until they achieve their Aims.

jayb, hardly surprising coming from someone who is well and truly on the extreme himself.

Tell me what so Communistic about the following Get Up ad.

http://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/democracy/share-this-video/honest-government-ad-let-s-make-it-go-viral?t=Vq5QbZF3zM

Paul, Hmm, that was a waste of two minutes of my life that I'll never get back.
What a load of crap, as is the cult, arrogant bitch.
What makes her or her cult an authority on 'anything' let alone the BS she was sprouting on about.
Paul commo's aside for a second, how can you defend them when all they're doing is fleecing money off, well, everyone and anyone, regardless of their financial position.
If they want to be taken seriously, at least try to act like a mature adult and not some two bit know-it-all smart arse.
I hope a lot of people see that video, because it's going to lose them a lot of backing, the opposite to what they are trying to achieve.
If that maggot is typical of the sh!t that makes up this cult, I hope they crash and burn, although I fear that with the amount of lefty losers out there it might not happen as quickly as we would all like.

ALTRAV, if you want to be taken seriously why not cut all the conceited crap you post, thinking you are always Mr RIGHT, the brains around here, a real know it all smart arse if ever there was one, who throws one insult after another. BTW you are over using the word maggot, nothing else in that head of yours? It shows your lack of originality. All you are is a would-be if he could-be, who tries but fails, to big note himself. Repeat after me, I ALTRAV am a NOTHING! and be satisfied with that.

Strange how you crave the adulation of anonymous people on a anonymous forum. Something you can't achieve in real life I suspect.

Paul, do you realise you do nothing but shoot your mouth off in an attempt to sound like you know what your on about, when in reality, you haven't a clue of what you say, so don't try to brow beat others.
If I say something it's for real, if you say something it's for nought.
You're too much of an idealist to be taken seriously.
When you realise your wrong and become more of a realist, you might have a chance at being taken seriously.
If my bagging these maggots with the appropriate language and names to best describe them, that's not for you to judge.
If you don't like it, who cares?
It's not an invitation for you to give an opinion on, unless you have a better word to describe them, if not it's my comment, not yours.
Try losing the miss sensitive act for starters, nobody likes someone who 'thinks' they are better than everyone else.
Where-as, I know I am.
I have the runs on the board to prove it.
Where's your's, I've asked you enough times to describe these miracles of the modern lefty losers that you have produced, yet nothing.
Now that I've cleared that up, don't bother giving your inane opinions your not worldly or mature enough to pull it off.
Let me put it another way; you don't get to judge or criticize me, until you 'put up'.
Or SHUT UP!

Paul1405 Liar - On here you have been proven to be a liar on more than one occasion, so your comment about the conduct of others has no credibility

Paul not worth the effort mate, do not feed the trolls
Your thread highlights a very real movement, some even from within this government against the lost right
And results after the election will confirm the truth behind this thread

//Where-as, I know I am.//

Yep, you're a textbook narcissist.

//I have the runs on the board to prove it.//

No, you really don't.

You keep telling us you're the most amazing man that ever lived, but whenever anybody asks you for any actual details of your supposed accomplishments, you simply throw one of your abusive tantrums and no details are forthcoming. And it's pretty obvious why... if you gave details then people could fact check and demonstrate that you're telling tall tales.

Please note that if you choose to become enraged and abuse me over this post, that will be all the proof I require that my hypothesis is correct.

Paul1402 posted- "Tell me what so Communistic about the following Get Up ad. http://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/democracy/share-this-video/honest-government-ad-let-s-make-it-go-viral?t=Vq5QbZF3zM"

Answer- Yes well- have to agree with ALTRAV on this one " Hmm, that was a waste of two minutes of my life that I'll never get back."

The presenter does list organizations that the government supposedly have taken issue with in regards to the "Anti-Charity Laws". I assume that GetUp is on the list because they seem to have taken it personally. One way to determine the communist nature of the organisations on the list is by comparing their policies, content and membership with that of other communists groups. The only name I recognised on the list was Greenpeace who have been know to engage in controversial acts such as actions against controversial "Japanese Scientific Whaling Research Vessels". I'd need to put in much more effort to research the list of charities and the proposed government law- it does sound like communist propaganda.

It seems that communist propaganda is profitable for so many artists and Arts graduates to use it as a career path. Probably many are just people who believe they are doing the right thing- "do gooders" at the unwitting command of truly dangerous extreme communists.- human shields and swords.

How to be a good communist; "engage in controversial acts". Seems on that score there are a few communists in the National Party Joyce, Broad and Christensen for three, all guilty of engaging in controversial acts.

"Japanese Scientific Whaling Research Vessels" yeah, the worlds only scientific research that sits unsold in Tokyo shop freezers. If you believe that "research" BS you probably believe that Auschwitz was a holiday camp for underprivileged Jews.
Apologies to the Greatest Man in the Cosmos, he actually believes that crap!

"I'd need to put in much more effort" you sure need to CM if you think that is communist propaganda.

Ll Duce, the only runs you have are the runs you got when you over indulged in a dodgy prawn curry one time, and had the runs for the next three days. I believe your stellar career was something to do with the rag trade. What is obvious is you are now an old retired bloke, like many of us on the forum, with plenty of time on your hands to post the amount you do. I doubt you have a quick mind and are a speed typist, it would take you a while to compose those long winded posts of yours. You give yourself away, you are certainly no mover and shaker, and never have been. This forum is just a bit of fun.

Toni, I see no reason to become 'enraged', or abusive over your post.
I reserve that for those who try to push a lie or a mis-guided agenda.
So relax Toni, we're good.
Now as for proving my position or status to those of you demanding it, I gave several excerpts of my history and my achievements over the course of a few postings in the past.
I know some of you have read them as I received some 'flack' over them back then.
I will attempt to explain my past successes without giving myself away, which is something you will admit, is not a good idea on these mediums, as anonymity and security are paramount under these circumstances.
So, I have previously spoken of the TV/newspaper interviews for my artistry, as a 10 or so year old, 'prodigy'.
Designing/creating motor vehicle and associated products, such as converting cars from sedan to convertibles, limousines, kit-cars and the like.
Designing/creating the 'longest car in the world' back around 1983.
Selling my designs, locally, nationally and even exporting internationally, to clients like the Sultan of Brunei and Japan to name a couple.
Establishing a branch interstate.
Establishing a new joint venture company in Malaysia, with the Malaysian govt.
Eventually selling the business to the son of the Malaysian PM (Dr Mahathir).
Like art, my products/creations are still evident in society today.
I have experienced people and places most people never get to see throughout their lives, due to my business and it's demands.
I have more but I fear that in an attempt to justify my response to some petulant posters, I will run foul of being accused of 'showing off', so I believe what little I have described, although lacking in quantity, far makes up for in quality.
So now do my detractors believe me?
If not, I would not be surprised.
If so, then thank you, it is now proven that I am 'better than most' as Paul has so childishly challenged.
Paul, I speak with confidence and conviction, why are you so 'distressed' over my successes?

Paul, 'Il Duce' here.
I do understand you and I don't malign you personally.
It is your banter and beliefs that are so 'out of step' with 'worlds best practices', that I question and dispute.
I don't understand how anyone can stick to a certain philosophy when all the elements surrounding that philosophy have changed over the years.
Paul, I used to vote Libs for as long as I can remember, today I wouldn't waste the spit to spit on them, but that is not just reserved for the Libs, but ALL the pigs in the major parties.
I have for some years now voted for the independents, as I hope for a 'hung' parliament.
So I see the independents as the 'cats' amongst the 'pidgeons'.
We all keep hearing about reform, well like the Royal Commission on the banks, nothing will change of any 'real' substance.
So it is that 'we, the people' have to force their hand, to force change.
But with such lax and lazy people as we have in Australia, fat chance of any people doing anything except turn up the footy or cricket or tennis and crack another tinny.
So it comes down to the very few like myself to stir things up in a hope that some of it might get through, in spite of the useless things called 'Aussies'.

Paul in truth you are far more likely to be right than another ego driven drivel producer
Another insult aimed at Aussies is noted but mental health may be the reason there
After the election your claims here will be proved right

Belly, don't go patting yourselves on the back.
We already know that labour is going to 'walk it in' at the next election.
We know this because the Aussie public are such shmucks, and you two are glaring proof of it.
Your so tied up in your prehistoric love of the communist/socialist mantra, that you have not bothered to see that your beloved labour and the Libs have been courting and have been secretly having an affair behind the proverbial back shed for years now, and it's almost as if they have produced an illegitimate child and called it 'The Greens', aka, a bastard party.
So wake up, but not on my account or say so, but for your own sakes and see what has happened to your once beloved and much adored political party.
As I've always said they are ALL pigs, and we have been had for years while they look down on us and laugh at us.

Paul1405 Liar - You can't even get it right after being advised you were wrong.

Paul1405 I think you will find it is IL Duce NOT LI Duce.( Monday, 21 January 2019 6:55:15 PM )

You came back with this sarcastic reply.
"Thanks for that Phil, "lL Duce", I would not want to get it wrong. Making such an error and I could find myself hanging upside down in the village square."

** Seems like you are suffering symptoms of dementia. **
______________________________________________________
Dementia
Dementia is a broad category of brain diseases that cause a long-term and often gradual decrease in the ability to think and remember that is great enough to affect a person's daily functioning. Other common symptoms include emotional problems, difficulties with language, and a decrease in motivation.

Symptoms:Decreased ability to think and remember, emotional problems, problems with language, decreased motivation

Usual onset:Gradual

** You do seem to be getting more emotional about things lately, as well as forgetting things, your basic language skills are still okay so that is a good sign BUT you do appear to be not posting as regularly possible lack of motivation. **

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dementia

Paul good subject but leaving,ttbn had two posts deleted for abuse
Best leave the children to play

The longest car in the world was designed by
Jay Ohrberg (100 ft. long) in the late 1980s.
Based on a 1970s Cadillac Eldorado and was listed
in the Guiness World Records in the mid '90s.

//So, I have previously spoken of the TV/newspaper interviews for my artistry, as a 10 or so year old, 'prodigy'.//

* Which TV station(s)?
* Which newspaper(s)?
* What dates were these interviews broadcast/published?

Right, that'll do for starters.

//I will attempt to explain my past successes without giving myself away, which is something you will admit, is not a good idea on these mediums, as anonymity and security are paramount under these circumstances.//

No, I just think you're paranoid. I post under my own name; it's never caused me any security related issues, just a lot of stupid questions about my sex. Which, in case you've forgotten again, still remains male.

A lot of very famous and successful people (much more famous and successful than you) use their real names on much more popular social media than OLO, without fear of having their security breached. It's a real mystery to me what you're so paranoid about.

Foxy Quote "The longest car in the world was designed by Jay Ohrberg (100 ft. long) in the late 1980s.
Based on a 1970s Cadillac Eldorado and was listed in the Guiness World Records in the mid '90s."

** Are you still on the Christmas plonk? **

Hi Philip S.,

ALTRAV claimed on page 26 of this discussion that
he designed/created the "longest car in the world"
back around 1983.

Not according to information found on the web.

Foxy - Plonk comment withdrawn.

Foxy, once again you try.
Jay Ohrberg, was one of a number of people vying for the title of 'Longest "CAR" in the world'.
And he had the title till I was commissioned by two brothers (Doug and Rodger Bell), who were seeking the title.
In keeping with their request I instructed them to buy the same and identical car as Ohrbergs.
They wanted the public to think it was either 'his' car or it was built in the US, as they believed that people would not 'take to it' if they thought it was made in Aus.
Shows you the kind of attitude Aussies have. (This is from the brothers Bell, not from me).
So I designed it with all the same features and appearance as Mr Ohrbergs, only about 10 or so feet longer. (I think it was about 87' long.)
The car had 4 front axles and seven rears, wading pool, heli-pad, theatre, putting green, pretty much the same as Ohrbergs, except longer.
When finished the car did the show circuits around Australia to all or most of the Capital cities.
I was not involved in showing it, just creating it.
Knowing Ohrberg, I knew he would want to retain the title, so I designed mine to split in the middle for easy transport AND to add a section in the middle if the owners wanted to retain the title for themselves, they didn't, they on-sold it once it had finished it's Australian tour.
Now Foxy, read-em-n-weep.
Ohrberg, if you read the category carefully, and you being an ex-librarian, should know better, you will find that his car could not and never will qualify as 'The longest car in the World', because Ohrberg is a fake, and unlike me he is not an industrial designer from way back, specialising in Auto Design/Engineering.
You Foxy, like you, in his haste to remain the centre of attention, he forgot once teensy little fact.
In making his car longer he could not make it strong enough to stop it from collapsing in the centre.

To be continued........

Continued..........

So because he's not that smart he decided to make it articulated, like a semi trailer.
As soon as he did that Foxy, he lost his Longest car in the world title.
If you go back and have a closer look, the last time I happened to look, his car was under the heading of "Longest Limousine in the World".
That's not the same thing.
You might as well go for the longest semi trailer in the world.
So to the best of my knowledge my car might still hold the record, although I never expected it to because it's a pretty aggressive category.
So Foxy and others, are we clear now, Ohrbergs is not the longest "CAR" in the world, until he can remove the wheels in the middle and make that 'vehicle' self sustaining and structurally so that it does not bend in the middle due to bad design and overweight.

Toni, 'which TV station? Channel two and channel seven.
The West Australian and the Sunday Times.
I was around 10 or so, so it would have been around 1960 or so.
I have trouble remembering what I had for breakfast but I'm not that far out. (just joking).

ALTRAV- Kudos seems somewhat inadaquate. Cheers.

A quick correction. Not sure about Channel seven back then, I might be confusing it with another interview about another vehicle I designed and displayed it at the Perth and Sydney Motor Shows.
Anyway that's another story.

Well done Altrav. Did you know the bloke in Brisbane that been running the Hydrogen Car since the 70's? I think he still lives a at Sandgate. I've been told the car is still running.

I recall Old Joh Bjelke-Petersen once paraded a shonk with his so called water powered car. On national TV this mate of Joh's filled the petrol tank of his miraculous car with ordinary tap water, then proceeded to start the engine. With that Joh declared this to be another Queensland miracle. When the gathered media throng demanded to have a look in the boot, just to check there was no gas bottle involved. with that Old Joh became very hostile, accusing the media folk of being Communists, and Southern sympathisers, promptly ending the demonstration!
ALTRAV, you haven't invented any water powered cars have you, for a bloke of your talents it should be a piece of cake.

"The massive limousine, which was built by California custom car guru Jay Ohrberg, measures in at a stunning 100 feet long and became certified as the longest car in the world by Guinness World Records in the mid '90s. It sports 26 wheels, a jacuzzi, diving board, king-sized water bed, and even a helicopter landing pad."

ALTRAV, give us some details on your //Designing/creating the 'longest car in the world' back around 1983.//

http://www.jayohrberg.com/

Thanks for the details ALTRAV. It sounds like you were the only one involved in this car, were there others?

P1405: I recall Old Joh Bjelke-Petersen once paraded a shonk with his so called water powered car.

Yep that's the one. I was there that day in front of Brisbane City Hall. The guy still drives it. The Oil Companies got involved & the Government issued a stop on the Patent, so no more could be built, but he is allowed to drive his car. I think he still lives in Sandgate.

jayb, history shows the Joh Bjelke-Petersen regime was not a government, but a criminal enterprise. The Al Capone of the mob was Peterson himself, assisted by a bunch of scumbags including Russ Hinze.

Anything that mob was involved in had criminality written all over it.
Do you know after 40 years, with the release of Cabinet papers, just how corrupt The National Party government in Queensland was in those days.

http://www.frasercoastchronicle.com.au/news/why-sir-joh-bjelke-petersen-wanted-deal-communist-/3301268/

Paul had two Uncles [by marriage] both ran up and down the country using the run on water trick
And it was a trick
Many however think it could be done
Both had real inventions that did work
Both lived in Queensland but came from NSW
Frauds exist and are always self promoters

Paul, no, even I could not build this thing in the time frame given. No I had at least a couple of 'hands on' people doing the actual cutting, bending, welding, ie; the construction and assembly, as is customary in any such industry.
I simply designed and managed the project/car.
I wish my father was still alive, he did so much more than I can even remember, he played with water as fuel experiments, after nearly blowing himself up, he declared that he could not find a power source big/compact enough to put in a car, to extract enough Hydrogen to be used as a fuel for cars.
For safety reasons his design was to have the water broken down into Hydrogen and Oxygen as close to the inlet manifold as possible, so as to eliminate any risk of an explosion, as Hydrogen is a very explosive gas.
He had strong convictions about the use of magnets as a means or source of power, and worked at trying to create a magnetic motor, or what is better known as a 'perpetual motion machine'.
I believe (by rumours) that such things are now commonplace, but not with magnets, just gravity.
I might suggest a look at the dates on the Ohrberg article.
His first and last attempt at the longest 'car' in the world was, say early eighties.
The longest 'limousine' in the world is listed as being built in the ninety's.
I also wish to make a correction/observation, that the article in the link provided used the word 'car' in describing the later 'articulated' version of the 'American Dream'.
This is in error and is merely journalistic laziness.
To which he either did not realise the true definition of a 'car' as opposed to an 'articulated' vehicle.
Mine could be driven around like a normal car, do figure eights and so on.
Orhbergs could not.
In it's 'normal' state, it could only move back and forth in a straight line.
Anyway their were many factors which removed his from being the longest 'car' in the world.

Hi Belly, the laws of physics show it takes more energy to spit water into hydrogen and oxygen than is returned when the hydrogen is burned to form water again.
That with the criminal Bjelke-Petersen was a clumsy attempt to hoodwink possible investors into believing that some shonk had invented a car that ran on water. Petersen would have been in for a cut of the rip off.

Its strongly suspected the gas cylinder was in the boot.

Joh Bjelke-Petersen played the blithering idiot roll to perfection, with his comical quotes and religious clap trap. He even had his stupid wife in on the act, silly Flo with her pumpkin scones. This was to hide the cold hard criminal intent that was behind the funny mask.

Belly, they would not admit it now, but the older members of the Forum, those 'Usual Suspects' and 'Useful Idiots', you know who they are, 'would have fallen hook, line and sinker for the Petersen BS, dutifully falling in line, forming the chorus at the rear singing 'We Love You Joh, Oh! Yes We Do', as the criminal bandwagon paraded down the main street of Brisbane with Old Joh leading the way to Canberra, the Joh for PM push. Not satisfied with ripping off Queensland, they wanted to take over and rip off the whole bloody country!

Belly, BTW, for the sake of truth and disclosure, you are all aware of my opinions on the abo's and white trash losers' and how I believe they are rorting the system. (NOT all, only the 'bad' ones).
Well You will be pleased to know, (I have already written this in a previous posting) that the principal and main man behind the actual building of the Aussie, longest car in the world, was in fact a part abo.
His name was Peter and he came from SA, around coober pedy, trying to get back with his wife who I think left him and came to live in WA.
Whenever I tell the story about Peter, and I do whenever the occasion presents, I feel sorry that he left after the car/job was finished.
This may surprise you coming from me, but to this day, with all the people I have hired and fired, in Australia, he was one of only a hand full of people who I would put up there on the top shelf.
He was, in my books, truly unique, and memorable in every way, not just his job, but a really nice, decent, caring guy and I got to know and like him during times like smoke-o, lunch and so on.
So Belly, when I bag someone it's for a reason, which I am always prepared to elaborate, but normally I do not give praise because that which is regarded as praiseworthy should be the norm, rather than the exception.

Posted by Jayb
Well done Altrav. Did you know the bloke in Brisbane that been running the Hydrogen Car since the 70's? I think he still lives a at Sandgate. I've been told the car is still running.

Answer- There was Pritchard's Steam Car.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Pritchard_(engineer)

It apparently could use a variety of fuels under the boiler.

Based on the "Stanley Steamer".

P1405: Hi Belly, the laws of physics show it takes more energy to spit water into hydrogen and oxygen than is returned when the hydrogen is burned to form water again.

Here is a little experiment for you. Get two Copper plates, close together but not touching. Add a 120 Volt battery. Put in a closed container with a exit spout for the gas. Let it run for a little while &hen light the gas coming out of the spout. Piece 'o Pi$$. With a little tuning you can run a lawnmower.

Jayb, your right on the technology and the outcome, but as Paul said, the amount of energy used to create the gas translates into it being too inefficient compared to conventional fuels.
I have no idea of the numbers but what you suggest is possible.
For confirmation I suggest U-Tube, it has heaps of videos of people 'running'? their cars on this battery/water technology, even though I am skeptical, because as Dad found out, you need a large power source and system to create enough gas like Hydrogen to feed a car motor which sucks in huge volumes of air/fuel to enable it to run.
Lawn mowers, being of a small engine capacity/volume, I imagine, not a problem.
I note that 120volts was the power source, is it possible you mean 12V?

altrav: I note that 120volts was the power source, is it possible you mean 12V?

Errr… Yes. Yes I've seen those Utube Videos & had some partial success myself. I did mean to Add Water" too. ;-) I have a neighbor that has a proper outfit that really works well. His mate makes them Commercially.

ALTRAV interesting and continue to read your stuff
But not interested in communication
Your constant insults of my country men put you in the hard basket
Paul knew about the flying peanut thing
My two, thankful via marriage, uncles , high profile at that time, may have been involved
Con men both, but with a truly inventive bent, they served in ww2 as MP,s in Jerusalem,unloved by our troops
Both never regarded the truth and one was seen, shooting the back window of his caravan out!
Then claiming people wanting the secrete to his fuel did it
jayb interesting too

Here's a few more links on unusual cars:

http://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/12-weirdest-cars-ever-built-in-australia-27994

And -

http://www.motor1.com/news/75965/the-longest-car-in-the-world-is-dead-but-its-coming-back-to-life/

Jayb, Belly, I'm somewhat disappointed that I don't know these guys. I'm truly envious as I have always wanted to see/experience a 'water' powered car/engine.
I have always believed that if the right person/people were given the backing it is possible for it to become reality, but the problem is there is nowhere for the thieves to gouge on-going returns from something powered by water.
So the scum-bags at the top of the heap avoid it like the plague.
I know many of you think I'm talking rubbish, but if you ever had to believe me, this one is high on the list.
AH WELL, so many missed opportunities, just add this one to the list.
To all those people out there who snubbed at the establishment and went ahead with their ideas and convictions, good for you.
May you succeed and prosper.
To all the know nothing, good for nothing skeptics and critics, may you rot in hell.

Foxy, the article on 'weird' cars is a mis-noma.
It should be noted that the article is from 'Carsguide'.
They are not an authority on the car industry, but a sales oriented company.
They have shown their ignorance of the car industry by heading the article with the title of 'Weird' cars.
It is a grossly misleading title, as some of the cars are genuine attempts at making a new car, the others are simply customised cars.
I can give a detailed explanation of each car and it's true description or title.
As for the 'Longest Car in the World', I have explained it's true status or description and why, even today, it is still NOT the longest 'CAR' in the world.

http://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/four-time-olympian-zali-steggall-launches-bid-to-topple-tony-abbott-in-warringah-20190125-p50tqs.html
A reality check
This thread is not about what Paul or others who share his view think
This thread is about the very real hammering about to take place unless change in direction and policy arrives very fast

Belly Quote
"A reality check
This thread is not about what Paul or others who share his view think
This thread is about the very real hammering about to take place unless change in direction and policy arrives very fast"

It is obvious how over the past few weeks you have tried to become overly sanctimonious on this forum.

The only problem with that is you are still a relic of your old self on here by being hypocritical at times.

You still use insults although to a lower level than before and sarcasm while threatening to report others.

I am not going to waste my time going back on this thread to ascertain who changed the direction to now being about the achievements of ALTRAV.

I do recall on this one you have made a number of disparaging remarks to others, as well a fair share of off subject comments.

* Best use another thread to try and elevate everyone to a higher standard or to anyone who looks at your comments here all they will see is a hypocrite. *

Phillip S, I am sorry, for my part in detracting from topic, I can only say that sometimes conversations happen to stray, and they do so because people follow a particular point.
In my case I feel it is sometimes rude not to respond to a direct comment or question, all the while mindful of getting back on topic.
Although Phill I have to say, for my part, I find political discussions as boring and as useful as batsh!t, and assume everyone else is of the same mindset.
To get back on topic, regarding the link Belly just gave, I couldn't give a flying flee about another bloody 'up-emselves' maggot chasing the 'look at moi' factor.
Who the hell actually cares about another 'poser' who is going to 'make a difference', like all the useless, rest of em' before her.
I for one am sick and tired of being lied and BS'd to, aren't you?
Anyway, even though we run off topic now and then, we try not to do it too often.
Appreciate your input.

As some sit on the head of truth, try to stop it being seen here I will continue to say it as it is
No intention of getting involved with the slander of some
But in truth if they had their way only very right, very wrong, posters would live here
One can be seen to, while charging others, constantly put every one not on his side down
The history of OLO shows much better posters once posted here, some still do

Belly what's your point.
Do you want everyone on your side?
Is your opinion the ONLY correct one?
Do you realise that your opinions are subjective?
Your opinions are the product of decades of induction and indoctrination of a dogma that has long since been discarded and replaced by thieves, charlatans, liar's and con-men.
So it is that any attempt at enlightening and directing you to these facts, in trying to avert your now misguided allegiance to a long forgotten and no longer practiced belief or mantra, is pointless, it is therefore quite normal to 'up-the-ante' so as to make the point in a more aggressive and forceful manner to better insure the chance of the facts being taken in, even if by force, and hopefully, the recipient, being of sound mind, will come to the realisation that what is being said has merit and therefore will negate his stance of many years.
Yeh, I know, wishful thinking on my part.
Belly, things are not what they used to be.
These pigs, one and all, are in politics for their own end and we are simply the vehicle that gets them there.
Once we have got them there, they close the door on us and proceed to say what we want to hear and do what THEY want, and not what we want.

ALTRAV. I rarely agree with what you say, and I don't much care for your "style" of posting either, but that is of no consequence. We are obviously people from different moulds and would not see eye to eye on most topics. But I will give you top marks for persistence in presenting a point of view that is somewhat distasteful to many, myself included. In a Voltairian moment I believe this applies to you,

"Think for yourself and let others enjoy the privilege of doing so to"

Zali Steggall putting herself up as an independent against Tony Abbott in the seat of Warringah is commendable. With only a slim chance of winning she is as you might say "having a go".

You say you support independents in parliament, yet unleash abuse at Zali who is running on such a ticket, in the face of a hardline political party hack in Abbott. How is that, if not hypocritical on your part.

Belly "But in truth if they had their way only very right, very wrong, posters would live here"
** Rubbish, I have not seen any person say to another that they can't post on this forum, there are two who continually abuse me for posting articles the origin of which they call fake news sites etc. **

Quote "As some sit on the head of truth, try to stop it being seen here I will continue to say it as it is
No intention of getting involved with the slander of some"

Having trouble translating this to English, when you post like this you have a problem because different people will interpret what you are saying in different ways.

** I think you are saying ** "As some sit on the head of truth, try to stop it being seen here" - some people are stopping the truth from being told.

** "I will continue to say it as it is" To me this is you saying you are the one telling the truth, no matter what others say.

** "No intention of getting involved with the slander of some" - Slander to say or write something that is false and defamatory about a person, I think you are saying you don't do it but others do. **

Here we go again Quote "One can be seen to, while charging others, constantly put every one not on his side down"

** Brain overload from reading your comments. If you left out this "while charging others," and just said (One can be seen to, constantly put every one not on his side down" ) **

** If someone continually makes mistakes or writes false statements and someone keeps pointing out those mistakes and lies, the person making them can develop a persecution complex and think that everyone is out to get them. *

ALTRAV - Don't know why you are apologizing to me for going off topic, I have no problem with it, I am only drawing attention to the hypocrite who is complaining, just look one comment above mine.

In the course of almost all conversation between people the subject changes, if virtually any subject on here stayed completely to subject it would be either quickly boring or very repetitious.

Philip, ok.
As for my comments about the link, I do not back away from my pushing for independents, but my angst is directed at people with an arrogant and self-righteous posture, such as her, who dare to imagine they have even a modicum of nous to rise, let alone engage, at a level required, no, that we demand and expect, of a politician.
Although I suppose she is a perfect candidate, when you put her alongside the other 'token' females, equally as presumptuous and arrogant as her, currently in politics.
If she were on my ballot paper, I would vote for her.
Not because I want her to get in, but because it will hopefully increase the chance of the big boys NOT getting in.

Thanks for an interesting and informative thread Paul
Leaving now you will note I am restricting contact with closed minds
Saw and hope still see this place as a place to be heard and hear others views
But it is best not to wade in waters increasingly muddied by the view ranting makes it right

Hi Belly,

You are most welcome, I find our clashes with the Dads Army of assorted nutters and lunatics from the extreme most enjoyable, better than golf, which I don't play. I know you take their insults and barbs a little personal, but remember they have nothing else to offer other than insult.

On the election front I see Labor is still on track for a resounding victory, probably in May. However never count the chickens before they hatch, and the dark side is yet to bring out their big guns of dirty tricks in the form of the septic tank Murdoch and his gutter press to attack and discredit Labor and Bill Shorten in particular.

With mealy-mouthed ScuMo now throwing out another un-deliverable phoney promise with the claim that his mob will create a million new jobs, more of the "jobs and growth" nonsense they tried last time around. The fact is the government did not create one new job, they destroyed thousands of jobs through infighting and poor policy.

http://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/frydenberg-faces-climate-fight-in-kooyong-20190129-p50ua6.html
Paul know I said I would not be back, this however needs reading
It if nothing else highlights a truth, man made or not Liberals are leaving the party because of it
And far more than one will confront opposition in their seat
Re dads army, not buying in but note SOME in old age get very fixed views and put far too much faith in their own views
Post election the rebuilding of Liberalism will begin, without it no future victory is possible for that party

I say Belly, an election defeat, and a decade in the wilderness will give the Liberal party the opportunity to divest itself of the skunks and white ants that have brought the party to its knees, and again find true liberalism should any survive the looming disaster. Unfortunately I can't say the same for The Nationals, too far gone.

Very good to see a decent Australian standing up, and taking on the prize phoney Frydenberg in Kooyong, A 12% swing is a tall order, but not impossible, but certainly unlikely at a general election.

Paul a truth, dads army are the very reason this government is on its way out
Too many rednecks who fail to understand voters in numbers do not agree with them

Belly, The Marxist Union army & Socialist Uni Mob is the very reason this ALP is out.

Too many Socialist/Marxist who fail to understand voters in numbers do not agree with them.

You have to remember Belly. the Union you fought for years ago is not the Union you have now. Now-a-days they are the Australian equivalent of the Mafia. Just a big Criminal Organization.

jayb you get very near manic with that rant
Rubbish that it is you ignore the polling
Years of polling, clearly telling us voters want change
Mate in all honesty no such militant left exists
You seem to be fed the very real and very dangerous crap of the far right,for whom any lie will do
ANY honest observer, will see this days ALP walking in the shoes of Sir Robert Menzies
His policy's are nearer by far to today's Labor ones
This threads title WARNS true Liberals are leaving, not just that but challenging the very right
Amused by your view, but too enjoying it
See you represent a small minority intent on ripping the guts out of Liberalism, by forcing it to become some thing it never was and never wants to be, thanks for your service to the ALP

http://www.9news.com.au/2019/01/30/22/52/julia-banks-to-stand-as-independent-victoria-flinders-greg-hunt
Yet more evidence this thread is on to some thing, ignore it at the peril of this government

There are two parts to the Australian Liberal Party- 1. The Free Traders 2. The Conservatives.

The Conservatives are tired of the Free Marketeers dominating the party and feel that they no longer represent what the Conservatives stand for. It's their belief that Conservative policies are truly in the publics best interest- however they are struggling to make themselves heard over the bitching between the two types of liberalism (Social vs Market- Labor vs Small L Liberals).

They feel that Australia is in a state from which it's becoming difficult to recover from due to "classic liberalist meddling" with the lives of private people- who just want to be left alone to raise their families the way they believe is right- like it has been done for thousands of years.

Their families are not a socialist experiment.

This is why the Conservatives feel that even if it costs the Liberal party elections- Australian Survival is more important than the survival of the Liberal Party.

After all without Australia- there is no Liberal or Conservative party anyway.

Liz Coleman on Ted says that no one has the answers to the problems of the world not the experts, the politicians, and it is the responsibility of everyone to assist. Experts have a highly focused domain that doesn't account for the cross domain nature of solutions and so cannot be relied upon to provide them.

//It's their belief that Conservative policies are truly in the publics best interest//

The public, thankfully, are not so easily fooled.

I thought it was the Protectionist Party and the Free Trade Party. They were the dominant parties in the informative years following federation in 1901.
CM neither party was Socialist in outlook, The Australian Labour Party was the third and minor force in politics of the day. Are you advocating a return to spats and straw hats? Some of your forum cohorts are still wearing theirs.

Reality check CM as we are about to see middle Australia, soon middle America, is not willing to follow the very right
A true danger to Democracy, unlike the childish anti left posts, the right will, by this time next year, be reduced to a rump
Then true Liberalism will again rise out of the ashes

Belly: unlike the childish anti left posts, the right will, by this time next year, be reduced to a rump.

Does this mean that you are still an Old Time Communist at heart.

Do you remember what happened to "Utopia?" in Argentina?

How do you feel about the Socialist experiment failure in Venezuela?

Another failed Leftist Socialist Heaven.

jayb you can you know, can return to reality
The first step is sitting in front of you TV and watching Sky news, for 24 hours
If being part of the huge fake news/lie that is the far right does not open your eyes you are lost
Tell me, do you see any truth in my posts
Do you think 30 plus polls are a result of a bloke named Belly, spouting left wing junk?
Or just maybe AUSTRALIAN VOTERS expressing a view, one far different than yours
This thread, prove me wrong, HIGHLIGHTS its truth each time another Liberal is challenged by a once Liberal

In my 80 years of life Australian values have changed from Judaeo Christian cultural world view, to a suicide mission with the rise of socialism, atheism, drug abuse, wholesale abortion, rise of Islam, suppression of free speech and introduction of blasphemy laws and halal tax on foods. All these things typify a death wish for a once free and healthy culture.

Josephus, now those are the words of EXPERIENCE and we would be well served to listen and try to give what you've said a very good look and come out with a much more mature and common sense approach with a good touch of reasoning, and not this excrement we are having to wade through currently and daily.

Belly Quote "jayb you can you know, can return to reality"

Please read what you have written before you post it, if you had reread the above you would have seen the glaring mistakes.

I think you are saying ** jayb can you now, return to reality **

The above mistake is being just plain lazy and not rereading what you have written or you are suffering early onset of dementia.

Remember the goon show? Monty Python? loved them both
But they had scripts and hours of hard work behind every episode
Here it is some times pure insanity, not made up humor, but brings the laughs still
Let it be known the dads army of lost bitter old right of reality team are not on my reading list
When any insult will do, just because my views offend them?If my IQ is not several points above theirs I should still be in nappy's

Dhilp, stop trying to censor what others post. If Belly's style is not to your liking, try going for the red button and have it deleted.
"jayb you can you know, can return to reality" clear to me, don't have a problem with which way it's presented.

Belly they don't like what you have to say, and are trying to put you off. Write what you bloody well like, and don't be dictated to by an English grammar smart arse who thinks he's better than you. Note which side of the fence those smart arses are on.

Paul1405 Gee sticking your nose in again, watch out you will get a reputation.

If I was to follow your warped logic then I would be pointing out every mistake he make or others make, which I do not but on this occasion it seemed obvious that he did not reread what he had written which may also have been the problem before.

Also if you read some of mine you will often notice I make mistakes, so why would I attack someone for doing what I am doing, rather hypocritical.

Quote ""jayb you can you know, can return to reality" clear to me,"

A possibility but it would more than likely be * "jayb you can you know, return to reality" the second "can" would be taken out.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/how-conservatives-stole-the-liberal-party-20190201-p50v6i.html
How close to being average are we in this forum
My link, if read by a few, will see rage, even insults, because some refuse to see truth
In time, post election, it will be seen a life and death struggle will take place, in the three party's we know this government is
Liberal National and Conservative