"In conclusion, a lack of any democratic culture among students and
political elites, and the tendency of the Army to see itself as ‘the guardian of the state’, threaten the transition to consolidated democracy in Indonesia. Whether or not democracy in Indonesia is stalled depends on whether political elites bear in mind what happened to the liberal democracy of the 1950s."

This conclusion of a 12 page report on Indonesian 'democracy' casts some doubt that there is anything like Western style democracy in that country. Mere voting does not a democracy make.

The idea of a democracy in any Islamic country has to be take with a grain of salt. Koranic teaching does not favour democracy, and I feel that the Indonesians are paying lip service to something like democracy for the purpose of trade, foreign investment, and handouts from Western, true democracies.

Remember Communist East Germany. They called themselves the German Democratic Republic (GDR). Just calling yourself democratic doesn't necessarily make you democratic.

'Twas a simple question, Belly; perhaps too simple for your liking, or your thought processes?

How're you going with your intention not to post on this thread?

Perhaps prayer would help?

http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/pizzagate-alt-right-turkey-trolls-child-abuse/
A little lite reading for you is mise and you mates
While clearly a sham written to divide it will get you concerned

Belly How is it that on nearly any subject on this forum you without fail bring Trump into the discussion.

I suppose it is a change from blaming the Russians.

Just check them it does not matter if the thread is about Global warming, Muslims, facebook posts, A socialist manifesto for Labor, Was Peter Dutton Wise?, Justice delayed, you bring Trump into it, please seek help for your obsession.

Dear Philip S,

You wrote;

"Belly How is it that on nearly any subject on this forum you without fail bring Trump into the discussion. I suppose it is a change from blaming the Russians."

Well there is already a strong case they might be one and the same.

Is Mise (and everyone else who's too lazy to look it up themselves)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Golding
Rightwing nutters may see him a a patriot, but he's against nearly everything Britain stands for.
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ttbn,
>Trying to undermine a country has nothing to do with freedom of speech.
Wow, you've shifted the goalposts a very long way!

I never said anything about trying to undermine a country. I just pointed out that immigrants weren't excluded from the right to try altering the country they're in.

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Toni Lavis,
Criticising the Church of England was perfectly legal. The blasphemy laws that applied there until 2008 were much more narrowly focussed: only God was above criticism; not any person or institution.