Dear NNS,

I'm afraid I consider that your original post was a piece of jaundiced clap trap but let's see if we can tease this out.

Australia's Medicare would probably not get up in today's climate. People like you would be screaming that it is far left ideology, that is was seeking utopia over reality, it would go against the very essence of small government/individual freedom ideology.

Yet Australians time and time again show how much they appreciate this manifestation of socialist ideology and any government who tries to dismantle it are rebuffed.

The fact that there is little room in your ideology for something like Medicare, or the NDIS, or a decent public education system shows how bereft of care it really is. You claim the by making individual freedom sacrosanct you are showing care for others, but it doesn't really pass the muster does it?

Fabian Society - Wolf in Sheeps Clothing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Society#/media/File:Fabian_Society_coat_of_arms.svg

Hi SteeleRedux,
Despite my support for Trump's policies over other candidates, and that I'd be considered a right conservative, I don't necessarily go along with all the things the right believes, and look at each and every issue on its own merits.

In some cases (though very few) I actually support the lefts position.

I most certainly do support Medicare, and I also support free (socialist) education.
(Although the way it's administered leaves much to be desired)
I see those things as socialist base-levels of care of citizens.
But I think the system is broken because we give cash as welfare instead of a job.
And whilst I don't want to take that cash away, I think there should also be a socialist base-level employment, 'the job you have when you don't have a job' of double dole for full time work doing things to help the government save money.

The idea is this: How do we have a FAIR system that ensures free healthcare and education for everyone, if we cannot also give a free job in order to pay for this free education and healthcare?

The problem with capitalism is 2 people go for 1 job, and someone HAS to lose.
We need to create a foolproof system that fixes that flaw.

The answer is to create a system that safeguards human usefulness, stops people falling into a rut and all the social problems that brings, a socialist base-level employment scheme that ensures that everyone who WANTS to help themselves CAN.

Use the 5% pool of workers that capitalism needs to prevent wage growth and create a smaller socialist system alongside it, accessed via MyGov, where you log on and find a work-shift.

And make the work these people do be training orientated and geared in a way that creates more capitalist opportunities, so that they can get out of that system.

4. Refugees have a right to keep going until they feel safe. Can't you comprehend they may not feel safe in Malaysia or Indonesia?
Forgive my thinking but I'd have thought a refugee fleeing from islamic cruelty that has caused him to become a refugee, would embrace the freedom he has in a western country & shake that yoke of that religion & denounce it in freedom.
Most of them aren't really refugees, they're able-bodied young people to boost the representation of that religion in western countries. Many westerners in turn had it too good for too long & compassion is a mere fashionable fad to the. Meanwhile the invasion goes on in greater & greater numbers.

To SteeleRedux.

Sorry, but did I say I was against the left? Or for the right? At this time in life I'd wager to trust the right more then the left, but that happens when you see politicians say they are the champions of the disadvantaged and then in grand expression of indifference show they don't care and couldn't be bothered to start. In a great way of hypocrisy the politicians of the left say they care but then show that they don't. I see it as more manipulative on voters then actually caring for those they say they are helping. However that in itself is based on seeing the actions of politicians, not on the grounding philosophy of political views that are common abound those who say they are left, right, or something else.

No, what I was trying to convey was that the grounding foundations of both right and left there is a gaping hole that needs to be bandaged and mended. For the left, those who are part of it usually stay for the reason of helping others. Whether they actually do help others or not though is part of the weak spot of the left. No real accountability in either policy or politicians. The second real danger is that without accountability there's no holding back to preserve what's working well. So in that light some policies are there to push one cause forward without looking at how or even if it will fit together with the whole system or if it will topple another framework of the system.

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For example look at two causes that are upheld by left leaning politics. The homosexual activists, and the Islamic activists. Both are held as if they have rights that should only be encouraged more. (Probably based on the assumption that they are a victim filled population). However where do these two causes fit with each other? Homosexuals shouldn't deny and ignore how harsh Islamic countries are to other homosexuals, and if they rail against a businesses showing the tiniest hesitation to supporting homosexual activism, why are they not more so railing against Islamic sponsored butchery? The same complaint can be addressed towards the Islamic activists in progressive politics. Where does that fit in with the homosexual movement? This is an example entirely within the left and it shows the point that that as long as a cause is supported, it doesn't matter how it fits in the grand scheme of things. Even if it harms other positions in the same political philosophy.

I support Medicare, because it is a government wide program that both has heart and works. (At least for now, hopefully continues to do so).

The right leaning politics lacks a sense of victimhood and the sense of social justice. In order to rectify this it needs to be addressed outside of politics and mandated giving, and instead be championed by the generosity of individuals, and the backing of local or chain businesses. But if that is accomplished then it's doing the same job the policies of the left say they are trying to accomplish. That said the politics of the right do one good service. They try to perserve the parts of the government that work.

Simply put the left needs to focus on not breaking things while trying to fix other concerns, and be held accountable. The right needs to have an open heart outside of governing policies in order to fulfill the needs of society around them. Those are the weak points in both.