Belly, It might be your belief that everything came into existence of its own accord; but it is also the right of others to believe as the human mind thinks order and creates, that there is a orderly creator mind behind the existence of everything. For many who exist in opposition to a Creator disregard human decency as many who merely hold a religious dogma.

Unfortunately many religious are burdened down with someone's dogma and primitive culture; rather than worship of the values upon which we were modelled for human creative greatness and that mind who created the complexity of DNA, and gave us inspiration to achieve social good for all people.

Dear Josephus,

There is no evidence that any deity is other than a human invention. There is no evidence for a supernatural creation. There are many creation stories. They are in the Bible, the Koran, other sacred literature and in the legends of tribal people. They are the result of primitive people trying to explain their existence. Enlightened individuals reject superstition even if the superstition is labeled religion. You are burdened with dogma and primitive culture.

david f learn the difference between religious dogma and reality, which you seem to be ignorant of.

We need to identify what are the real threats to the best and free function of the individual in society. Marxism is not one, capitalism has its human failings but it functions when care is taken to protect the weak, injured and sick.

Those individual ideologues that think they have a better idea of the function of human society and rise to power over society finish up destroying the individual and ultimately the society. The ideologues become fixated on their agenda and enforce it against the will of those that disagree. We are currently running into one of those conflicting situations with free loaders on our society who believe wealth should be equally shared even if they do not contribute tax. That the Government owes them money because they are poor, uneducated or unemployed. The Government happens to be the workers in their neighbourhood who contribute 30+% of their earnings.

Islam is also one of those dysfunctional societies as we constantly witness in the societies of current conflict.

Dear Josephus,

There is no more reason to accept the creation myth in the Koran than there is to accept the creation myth in the Bible. It is characteristic of superstitious, religious people to believe they have the truth, and people with other superstitions are in error. With such horrors as wars of religion, persecution of heretics, native people and Jews Christians can label Islam as dysfunctional. That is laughable. Most people follow the religion of their parents. Most Christians have Christian parents, and Most Muslims have Muslim parents. You have the right to your superstition, but it remains superstition.

I believe Jordan Peterson sees religion from a Jungian introspective perspective- perhaps this is what he refers to with the lobsters and his 300 million year old hierarchy- perhaps all higher animals have an idealised concept of God, leadership, ... embedded within their consciousness. Dogs, Primates, other mammals exhibit animal group behavior. It seems that the concept of "God" could be important for survival. We all see things though glasses that filter the world through ideology- I think that Chesterton's Fence was an interesting way to determine the cultural value of things- Sorry I forget who on OLO put it forward- I think it was ALTRAV- but it is a Cultural Relativist approach.

Canem Malum,

It was mhaze who brought up Chesterton's fence concept.