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Wicked Waste By The United Nations
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Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 28 December 2018 11:36:56 PM
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Hey ttbn,
"... leftists basically hear and see the same words as normal people, but understand them in altogether different, less sensible ways." "Logical flaws and contradictions are evident in just about every leftist proclamation". Yeah it's strange that, I do kind of get what you mean. "don’t understand conservatives the way conservatives understand progressives" I definitely feel like they don't see themselves in the way that we see them; And I also feel as if some think conservatives are a stereotype of 'KKK racists that prey on raping women and practicing mysogyny'; or something... But I do try to put myself in the lefts shoes and look at whether their is any merit at all in their arguments by looking at the pro's and con's of every issue - Say for example women are going on about some issue with men; I'll look at: 1/ If there is any merit to the core issue or whether its completely baseless. 2/ Or if their is merit to the core issue how much they've twisted or blown it all out of proportion. With SteeleRedux, I was kind of unfair on him, he did make a fair point in regards to Yemen and I didn't acknowledge it; And I didn't admit that I was wrong and that he was right when I should've; being that sometimes the UN is good and that my statement he quoted was unreasonable. - But I still hate all this globalist crap and yes I DO have a bias towards it - And also he does make some logical arguments that have merit. And I don't hold any grudges towards others on the forum nor wish to; I may argue and disagree and sometimes even ridicule and humiliate, but I hope nobody ever really takes the things I say personally. Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 29 December 2018 2:24:38 AM
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Giving money to the UN is equivalent to burning it in a hole. Most of the money is wasted on giving tin pot dictators a voice and maybe 5c on the dollar gets to where it is needed.
Australia is one of the most generous donor countries in the world, and the only reason Krudd wanted to boost the donations was to buy votes to get a seat on the security council. Posted by Shadow Minister, Sunday, 30 December 2018 11:41:05 AM
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Dear Shadow Minister,
You wrote; “Most of the money is wasted on giving tin pot dictators a voice and maybe 5c on the dollar gets to where it is needed.” No it doesn't. UN refugee camps require billions of dollars to operate. Their work is extraordinary. As is their efforts on disease control. It was the WHO, an arm of the UN which delivered things like the eradication of smallpox. Think of all the lives that have been spared because of that effort. The UN is a credit to those saner people of the world who understand its worth. While not without its faults it continues to do amazing work which churlish cranks like yourself constantly attempt to dismiss. Posted by SteeleRedux, Sunday, 30 December 2018 3:33:31 PM
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According to this website Australia is ranked 14 worldwide- though we should be much lower on the list because we should be helping Australians with our money.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_development_aid_country_donors Also probably need to consider the number of immigrants to get a better idea. And the cost of looking after our own indigenous community something that many of the countries in front of Australia don't need to consider. Every culture is responsible for themselves- we shouldn't aspire to be the highest donor- perhaps there is some value in supporting world stability- but not through the corrupt UN. I hope that countries will eventually see that giving good money for bad behavior is suicidal Posted by Canem Malum, Sunday, 30 December 2018 7:33:28 PM
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Dear Canem Malum,
Come on mate, at least get your figures right. Australia is 16th both on total amounts given and percentage of Gross National Income. Secondly the bulk of Australia's aid goes into our region to the north, particularly the South Pacific in order “to protect our interests” which can be translated into 'keeping China's influence at bay'. So you want us to pull all that funding do you? I certainly agree we could be investing more resources into Aboriginal disadvantage, but we are apparently flush enough with funds so as to be able to give huge corporate tax cuts to Liberal Party donors. So basically all you are putting up is a very bright red herring. Like to try again? Posted by SteeleRedux, Sunday, 30 December 2018 11:52:21 PM
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You wrote;
“Percentage to GDP is just a way of hiding the truth from the people.”
No it isn't mate, it is the acceptance of the blindingly obvious fact that what represents the price of a takeaway coffee to the average Australian is the equivalent of a days wages in many other countries.
Our aid budget is well less than a cup of coffee per week for the average Australian yet it makes such dramatic differences to so many people overseas.
I for one wouldn't mind it going to the equivalent of a cup of coffee a week even if miserable tightarses like you think it will bring the bloody world down around our heads. We are a rich country albeit one with a growing wealth disparity. We should be able to stump up without having to put up with the likes of you calling it theft.
Yes your IQ assessment of those in your cohort certainly stands, very dismal.