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mhaze,
The abbreviation tl;dr is used in two completely different contexts. An indication of the poster's laziness is the less common context. The more common context is to indicate they're providing a summary for other readers too lazy to read the whole thing.

Now regarding your Thursday posts:
You seem to have fallen hook line and sinker for the myth that the Right want to grow the pie but the Left just want to redistribute it. In reality the Left are at least as interested in economic growth as the Right, but they try to achieve it in different ways. The Right try to make the "productive classes" more productive by giving them more incentive; the Left try to increase the productivity of the less productive by giving them more opportunity. This is likely to bring greater economic benefits (especially as the strategy of the Right has prevailed over the last few decades) and definitely brings greater social benefits.

Whitlam was before my time, but from what I've heard (mainly on TV) Whitlam's main problem was unfortunate timing, with the effect of huge oil price rises affecting not just the Aussie economy but many round the world. Have you any evidence his government stifled wealth creation?

Venezuela's an interesting one. Certainly the current socialist government are terrible economic managers, but the problems largely predate them. The country was always highly dependent on oil, and almost every time the oil price has been low (relative to its past highs) the country has been in trouble. If only they'd let the market determine the value of the Bolivar, nearly all the trouble could have been avoided. Instead they've had catastrophic devaluations and rampant inflation (and more recently, hyperinflation).

A fixed currency rate is also to blame for many of Argentina's recent problems, but I think their 20th century problems were mainly caused by lack of accountability rather than Left v Right.

(tbc)
Posted by Aidan, Sunday, 4 November 2018 3:04:37 PM
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mhaze (continued_

You're partly right about Aboriginal poverty, but one of the things that makes it worse is politicians prematurely declaring programs to be failures without even giving them a chance to succeed.

Regarding your "where will it end?" question: true poverty is not a measure of relative income, but nor does not just mean destitution. Poverty is the inability, due to lack of resources, to fully participate in society. As society progresses, it is only right that everyone has access to what previous generations may not even have dreamed of.

Your notion that the Left hates the productive, or indeed the rich, is also completely wrong.

Regarding respect for authority, it's partly due to a different view of what Authority is. There are many on the Right who think authority comes from above, rather than from people's willingness to respect it. Having said that, there are also many on the Right whose views on authority are driven primarily by self interest.
Posted by Aidan, Sunday, 4 November 2018 3:13:52 PM
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Re Kavanaugh,

Foxy thought that if only there'd been a more thorough investigation then he'd have been outed as the rapist all good leftist know he is...or something.

The US Senate have just released the report about their investigation of Kavanaugh and his accusers. To summarise the 414 page report...

“After an extensive investigation that included the thorough review of all potentially credible evidence submitted and interviews of more than 40 individuals with information relating to the allegations, including classmates and friends of all those involved, Committee investigators found no witness who could provide any verifiable evidence to support any of the allegations brought against Justice Kavanaugh. In other words, following the separate and extensive investigations by both the Committee and the FBI, there was no evidence to substantiate any of the claims of sexual assault made against Justice Kavanaugh,”

Another interesting take is that they apparently are continuing to investigate likely witness tampering in regards to Ford's evidence.

Another quote...
"The witnesses that Dr. Ford identified as individuals who could corroborate her allegations failed to do so, and in fact, contradicted her."

Hopefully people will end up behind bars as an example. But the deep state protects its own, so probably not.
Posted by mhaze, Sunday, 4 November 2018 4:14:55 PM
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The Left. Sounds like The Pox, or The Plague, only more dangerous.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 4 November 2018 4:29:48 PM
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"The Left. Sounds like The Pox, or The Plague, only more dangerous."

Some think of people whose political positions are different from theirs as a disease rather than as people with a different opinion. In Australia there are a number of political parties and political opinions. I agree with some of them, disagree with some of them, partially agree with some of them and partially disagree with some of them. All the people in different parties and with different opinions are human. Thinking of a group of people as a Pox or Plague makes it easier to physically eliminate them. Nazi propaganda showed Jews as vermin. The Holocaust followed. Do we want to think of people with different opinions in the same way?
Posted by david f, Sunday, 4 November 2018 5:39:26 PM
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Dear David F.,

Bravo!
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 4 November 2018 5:48:44 PM
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