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Just returned from Europe.
Everyone is supporting the Right.
In Italy. Deputy Premier of Italy,Matteo Salvini is a hero as he wants Italy as he says "to control our borders like Australia".
In England people cannot wait to leave Europe with Brexit.
In France, Marie Le Pen is becoming more popular than President Macron.
In Hungary everyone supports President Urban.
The Communists and Socialists are demonstrating in the streets but the majority of Europeans are moving to the right.
Posted by BROCK, Wednesday, 3 October 2018 8:36:48 AM
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anyone with half a brain can see the destructive rotten fruit of socialism/feminism.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 3 October 2018 10:22:41 AM
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Let's hope so.

The dictatorial European Union (disunion, more like) has been written up this month by Frank Furedi for its “shameful crusade against Hungary”, a country that takes its sovereignty seriously. Because Hungary has exercised its sovereign rights to refused entry to illegal aliens stupidly allowed to invade Europe by Germany, the unrepresentative EU has invoked Article 7 of the European constitution against that country. The EU has 'decided' that Hungary is 'xenophobic' because, they claim, it discriminates against its local Roma people and Jews.

This 'xenophobia' was never noticed before Hungary kicked against the despotic EU!

Furedi sees the putsch against Hungary as typical of the “current political fashion”, and points out that position of Romas is far better than it was under the previous socialist regime. Added to that, Hungary is a long way behind France, Britain, Germany, Belgium and Sweden in anti-Semitism. In France and Belgium, Jewish restaurants are often guarded by police. There is no need for that in Hungary. In Berlin, Jews are subject to violence. Hungarian government policy has zero tolerance of anti-Semitism.

It's all “mean-spirited anti-Hungarian polemics” against Hungary for merely exercising its sovereignty, and pushing back against EU fascism. Hungary is “conservative, traditional and Christian”. No wonder it's being targeted by the EU, when it is these very attributes that the European Union oligarchy “is determined to abolish, to erase from the European landscape and history, in order that it might replace them with with its own technocratic cosmopolitan outlook”.

The EU must fall.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 3 October 2018 11:17:39 AM
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Some one on returning could report the same events from a different point of view.
Warning many Britons do not want Brexit to go ahead.
Telling of the very real danger of financial melt down if some debt ridden countries leave the EU
Others will or could point to those in Hungry and other countries that are deeply concerned about the anti migrant anger.
In any event the EU will tighten its doors to refugees and migrants
Even Germany the country that started the massive flow, will as it must change
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 3 October 2018 11:40:19 AM
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Europe certainly appears to have its fair share of
problems - from economic instability, immigration, and
terrorism, to apparently inadequate solutions offered by
the mainstream parties in solving these problems.
No wonder the Europeans are becoming more Right-Wing.

Right-Wing parties thrive under conditions of economic
instability and perceived threats. That's when cultural
identity becomes a focus and what it means to be European.
Values play an important part in the discussion of
these problems. It's not the far Right-Wing parties that
have become more popular in Europe. It is the Europeans
themselves when confronted with policies that they
perceive to be inadequate to face the crisis that Europe
has been suffering for the past few years that has made them
become more Right-Wing.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 3 October 2018 1:49:20 PM
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Europe has its problems, economic ones racist ones if you insist, far too many refugees and yes migrants to absorb in already deeply troubled countries
Maybe we should ask why? what is behind the mad rush to over populate that group of countries?
We can talk of the break up of the EU but can we ignore just how first hard it would be to do?
Then how cataclysmic it would leave the weakest countries?
Why was it formed, can it be one world government is true? no matter the costs?
It will be painful, some countries will leave, but the EU will remain
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 3 October 2018 5:06:41 PM
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//In England people cannot wait to leave Europe with Brexit.//

Well, I suppose if you call stockpiling medicine and seeking dual citizenship with EU countries not being able to wait to leave Europe, then yeah, sure...

But bear in mind that only just over 50% of voters wanted to leave in the first place, and I'm pretty sure a few of them have changed their minds since they've seen what a dog's breakfast the Tories have made of the negotiations.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Wednesday, 3 October 2018 6:00:44 PM
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Right-Wing parties thrive under conditions of economic
instability and perceived threats.
Foxy,
Perceived threats ? That is the understatement of the year. And, what in your opinion is the cause of this economic instability ? let me guess, of course-the Right ! got it, cheers.
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 3 October 2018 9:13:37 PM
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In a democracy "perception of the masses is what is important"- unless you can change their minds by fair or foul means.

The masses are angry the changes that are forced on them by the progressives. Change is a synonym of progressive.

As far as hate goes there is plenty on all sides- sometimes the correct reaction is hate. I hate what the globalist progressive authoritarian socialists are taking from the people of the world and the people of Australia. They are dis-empowering the people from their own birth right. Destroying democracy. Disgusting.
Posted by Canem Malum, Wednesday, 3 October 2018 11:42:04 PM
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Hey ttbn,

Bibi's getting cosy with the far right.
http://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/comment/2018/10/2/netanyahus-dangerous-connections-with-europes-far-right

Now you know that I'll criticise Israel if I believe the issue has merit; I pretty much say what I think; and that I've even silenced yourself and others who tried to label me and others anti-Semitic; and despite that I don't bash Jews or show hatred towards Israel at every possible every opportunity.

I mostly argue from a position of whether an issue holds merit.

We both support Australia's interests, only you are also Pro-Israel, maybe Pro-Zionist as well, where I just support Australia number 1 and everyone else equal last;

- And I don't hold your pro-Israel position against you so long as you care about Australia's interests first and foremost.

Why is it that Israel always supports an anti-racist pro-immigrant anti-discrimination position in the west, which in some ways seems to help foster the Islam problem into our countries but then in the end sides with the nationalists against Islam?

I do know for fact that it was Jewish politicians in the US that originally supported softer immigration laws.

A lot of things get said with conspiracy stuff;
I don't want to sound conspiratorial but there's no avoiding it.

I look at this whole thing over the last say 70 years since the creation of Israel, and with all the stuff I know, I can't help thinking that in some ways Israel has exported its Muslim problem to all our countries, supporting pro-immigration stances many years ago in the name of Jewish free movement and anti-discrimination;

So that it's problem would become our problem.

I'm probably going to cop it for saying it, and if that's price of free speech so be it.
I'm not going to say I know it for fact, but that's the feeling I get.

- That Israel has deceptively exported it's problem to us, so that it's problem would become our problem too.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 4 October 2018 12:00:27 AM
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Thanks Armchair Critic for your comments again- Reading the Jerusalem Post the Hebrews appear very politically astute. Generally I'm concerned about any external or minority entity having disproportionate influence over the Australian nation- as all Australian's should be- Jewish groups such as the ADL, ADC as well as others certainly do seem to be influential but appear to have greater loyalty to Israel and to Hebrew dominance within the Australian and other communities. Certain Hebrews such as Monash do appear to have been loyal Australians. Generally if a particular group wants dominance perhaps the best solution is to give them their own territory to govern rather than sow the seeds of conflict and war.
Posted by Canem Malum, Thursday, 4 October 2018 12:32:10 AM
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In the thread about the EU I said and believe it was not accepted by some, a coming together by all sides of politics will take place there.
Just ask yourself can the party,s of the center or left just sit back and watch voters leave?
They in my opinion, will adopt some of the policy,s, even if in a weaker form, of the right, or become marginalized.
EU however, because it is too far down the track to go back, will survive
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 4 October 2018 6:55:28 AM
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Not good for Steven Pinkers theories on peace through Democracy :-))
Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 4 October 2018 9:31:53 AM
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OMG AC,

The left is in disarray. Winning back the vacant head space of a population which considers homosexuality should be normalised by supporting gay marriage, and the right has made it!

Maybe channel a right wing campaign through the auspices of the ABC. Haaaa.

Best of British luck on that one!

:-))
Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 4 October 2018 9:51:41 AM
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AC,

I am pro-Israel only in that am against its enemies - Islam and rest of the population of the Middle East, and the left anti-Semitics in the West. I think Israel has the right to exist in peace. I have no interest in their religion or in Zionism. I don't remember being “silenced” by you :).

I don't see what Israel has to do with the EU.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 4 October 2018 10:07:13 AM
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Hey ttbn,
Just came across this:
Would it be wrong to assume this guy might be Islamic?
http://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/sydney-boy-assaulted-in-front-yard-at-home-by-online-predator-police-20181004-p507oj.html
Why do I feel like this is the beginning of Islamic child sex grooming in Australia coming out like with Tommy Robinson in the UK?

Gay Child Rape in Someones Front Yard, what next.
We tried to warn them, but they ignored us now who do we blame?
- All just a plan to divide this country and tear it apart at the seams...

- I thought it was interesting Netanyahu was getting friendly with the right nationalist / populist movements in Europe.
(I shouldn't have said far right, almost fell for their rhetoric)

I don't necessarily oppose Israels right to exist on the core level of having a right to exist and a homeland, but I do question the manner in which it came about as well as everything they've done from then until now.

I believe in freedom and liberty for all people, but I don't think that one person should be forced to give up their liberties so that someone else can have theirs.

That's what I believe, whether I have disdain for Islam in my country or not.

I think Israels made an absolute mess of everything, I don't support them acting unethically or using underhanded means to get what they want politically, or deliberately messing with the politics of their neighbours.

I don't like the gang mentality in things.
We see it everywhere now, from international diplomacy to media to online censorship.

Get ready for Smart Cities 5G 'internet of things' and a total surveillance control grid.
http://youtu.be/eViswN602_k
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 4 October 2018 5:31:45 PM
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On subject if country,s leave the EU what will be their trade relations with it?
Britain has not yet found out, surely the link is not easy to break?
can not see an easy exit for any one
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 4 October 2018 5:38:41 PM
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AC.

I can help you here:

Australia accepts homosexuality as a status for the purposes of the Refugee Convention.

Which means Australia must accept every homosexual reject from Islamic Countries; particularly Iran.

This is actually a smart part of Islam. A bit like emptying the garbage over Australia.

Keeping in mind, the majority of Australians consider homosexuality as acceptable. Thus gay marriage. The kid you referred to in your link, called in the trawling fag. He concented to the sex in the front yard of his house.

Further keeping in mind, our schools now preach acceptance of homosexuality as a normal function.

So the question of the bail for the (alleged) rape of the fag kid, was interfered with by his mother who objected. But I'll bet you pounds to pigeon poo, his mother voted yes to gay marriage.

I think this is an hilarious story.
Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 4 October 2018 8:27:33 PM
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PS.

I'll make it my business to attend the court sessions associated with this interesting event.

I'll make a few predictions:

The (alleged) Islamic rapist will get off Scott free. Firstly, he isn't a nobody. He is actually one of the current trend ruling homosexuals, from the big end of town; and he is "cocky".

Secondly, there'll be no bad PR for homosexuals, before the glittering world event of the 40th Sydney Gay Mardi Gras.

Thirdly, and as I've posted here without a comment from the audience, this is NSW, the ruling capital of the pedophile judiciary. Judge shopping pays off in NSW, for pedophiles, (especially Catholic pedophile priests).
But it does not pay off for journalists who attempt to expose them.

And second lastly, this alleged Islamic rapist will be introduced to all the right people (to pay off) for the escape plan to work.

And lastly, on a lighter note, the Islamic rapist (alleged), will guaranteed, be attending the Sydney Gay Mardi Gras in February
Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 4 October 2018 9:29:42 PM
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If you have any doubt about the rise of Fascism which is the natural
domain for the left read this & remember Stalin.

A lawyer, Regis de Castelnau, wrote in the monthly Causeur:

"There is a country in Europe where the main opposition party, after
the seizure of its financial resources, sees its president asked to
undergo a judicial psychiatric assessment.
Is it Putin's Russia or Orban's Hungary? No. It is France".
Posted by Bazz, Thursday, 4 October 2018 11:17:45 PM
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Reality is lost when anything left of the lunatic in the white house is called Farcist.
Right now worldwide every statement needs a good look at, so much is purely fake and untrue.
Who 20 years ago would have thought Russia would become a Marfia like country run by a mobster to frighten every other crime head.
And the the leader of the United States would be his pupete?
As we swallow lies and miss information more and more we risk a very real dictatorship some of us helped into power
Posted by Belly, Friday, 5 October 2018 6:18:13 AM
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France is in a mess. Macron has appointed a muslim to draw up
legislation for Islam France. I don't know exactly what the aim is but
it has attracted significant flack.
Belly the Brexit seems to have increased support although the stays are
active but I do not think they will change the governments intention.
The southern European countries have been at a disadvantage to the
Northern countries because of the Euro. The migration problem has been
the last straw for Italy and Greece.

Hungary and Czech have indicated that if Brussels tries to punish them
for refusing immigrants they are likely to leave. If Italy also left
it would probably mean that the Netherlands would leave also.

Democracy is dying in France, but there might be a point where the
line in the sand is crossed and the predicted civil war, or something
approaching it, breaks out. The tradition of wartime resistance could
easily be restarted.

In Britain the situation is not as bad but the Sharia Courts which
have some recognition are pressing for full legalisation.
They have recently been told "no way" but they will continue not
registering marriages and that leaves the women not protected by
British law and leaves them no rights in divorce.
Some muslims are seeing the advantages in British law and are
resisting Sharia but run into family problems.

Sharia courts
Posted by Bazz, Friday, 5 October 2018 5:09:20 PM
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Please give us evidence the thing, it is that, who raped that boy is Muslim.
Its name is not enough, on what evidence can we know the freak is Muslim?
Six years in prison is the only term I will see as fair.
That takes care of the judge who gave him bail.
Now him,yes he is a grubby half human, every race.faith has them, and yes justice may not be served, it often is not, hence in my opinion the one who granted bail commited a crime against the victim and justice
Posted by Belly, Friday, 5 October 2018 5:41:20 PM
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Belly.

The kid is not a victim, he's a fag prostitute, who called in a customer on a new app.

Consider that fact as the reason for the issue of the bail notice, with its conditions of reporting, and confiscation of the customers passport.

The supposed rapist is off the hook on rape, but not for the charge of sex with a minor.
It's the latter part of sex with a minor, which apparently the police have not covered.

Who is the victim here? The fag kid most likely claimed to be sixteen, and he looks like he could be sixteen. There is a picture of him circulating!
Posted by diver dan, Friday, 5 October 2018 9:32:29 PM
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Bazz

There is really no problem with Sharia Law running juxtaposed with common State Law.

It's the punishment side of Sharia law, which should be the sole position of the State to oversee.

Punishment for crimes against Islam need to reflect community standards, with outcomes tolerable to the majority. No capital punishment for example. Lopping off hands as punishment for robbery, is not acceptable by community standards, another example.

Lawyers would love getting their collective heads together on this issue.
Posted by diver dan, Friday, 5 October 2018 10:59:22 PM
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Diver Dan, you seem well informed on the case.
I have not seen any reporting of the case except just one mentioning
the arrest. How have you accessed that info ?
Posted by Bazz, Friday, 5 October 2018 11:00:27 PM
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Bazz

On the rape.

This news has gone global. The perpetrator is actually the victim. It's an ABC left wing beat up to cover the failings of the pro gay march to madness, through gay marriage.

It's also the 40th anniversary of the gay Mardi Gras in February. We really need to be seen protecting young gay boys. Let's forget justice for awhile and get our priorities in order.
Posted by diver dan, Friday, 5 October 2018 11:08:56 PM
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No problem with Sharia law ? You must be kidding !
What about a woman's evidence is only worth half the evidence of one man ?
That women inherit half the amount of their brother's inheritance.
A woman must have four male witnesses to prove rape.
If the man is not convicted the woman is guilty of adultery, (zinner).
The penalty is stoning to death.
Divorce entitlements, can you be that disabled ?
That is just four that come to mind.
You seem a bit disabled, are your parents cousins ?
Posted by Bazz, Friday, 5 October 2018 11:13:29 PM
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Diver Dan said- "Not good for Steven Pinkers theories on peace through Democracy :-))"

Answer- From memory Steven Pinker is interesting. I've recently been listening to Patrick Deneen- Author- The End Of Liberalism. Talks about classical freedom (Conservatism) requiring self control and discipline as opposed to modern "Liberty"/ Liberalism such as that promoted by John Stuart Mill.

See Link - https://muse.jhu.edu/article/225721/pdf - Aristotle conceives of freedom as the capacity to direct oneself to those ends which one's reason rightly recognizes as choiceworthy. This concept of freedom as rational self-direction can be found underlying Aristotle's discussions of natural slavery and democracy.

Patrick Deneen's hypothesis is Liberalism from the Social Progressives (Social Freedom) and the Economic Progressives (Free Trade) are both dangerous to society and serve certain minorities at the expense of the majority. ie. Patrick Deneen's hypothesis is "Liberalism Is Not Democratic". He seems to be advocating a more tribal structure to society rather than a monolithic world centralized government.

I believe that perhaps we can have a balance between power on high and power from the lower levels of the traditional hierarchy of society.
Posted by Canem Malum, Saturday, 6 October 2018 2:18:15 AM
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The article about the 13 year old is very concerning.
Posted by Canem Malum, Saturday, 6 October 2018 2:22:31 AM
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The rape, if it was white Christian, if it is a Muslim, or a Catholic priest, is a crime deserving of very long term in prison.
Can I ask why the CRIMINAL ACT of the person granting bail is not being talked about?
SOME past leniency has been explained in years after when court officials have faced similar charges our justice system is broken.
We victimize the victims all too often
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 6 October 2018 6:54:09 AM
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Bazz

There is no crime if there is a consensus to the punishment. Which means if followers of Islam in our community consent to punishment through Sharia law, there is no host law broken.

It is a fact, special courts already exist, that deal with specifics of indigenous law, not only in Australia, but in the US and elsewhere.

Sharia Law is coming in some watered down form, get used to it Bazz.
Posted by diver dan, Saturday, 6 October 2018 7:22:35 AM
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Diver Dan said;
There is no crime if there is a consensus to the punishment. Which
means if followers of Islam in our community consent to punishment
through Sharia law, there is no host law broken.

What utter rubbish. Just because moslems think it is acceptable or
accepts a Sharia punishment does not change anything.
The law is the law and Sharia is not law.
If that does not suit then go where it does suit.
Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 6 October 2018 10:28:03 AM
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To All,
Diver Dan's comment shows why Europe is in such a mess.
The muslim immigrants prefer to go by Sharia law rather than the law
of the land.
The mess that are muslim countries is what they want to implement here.

BTW Diver Dan, I asked if your parents were cousins, you did not respond.
Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 6 October 2018 10:32:28 AM
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SHARIA LAW, think about it, we are having enough trouble getting our law givers to impose our laws,
We, most if not all, will never accept it here, nore FGM , not ever, we have in fact laws against it.
In America, in some states, a middle aged WASP can wed a child, try that here!
OH yes it is done, but the pure primitive filth involved dare not get caught.
Our law may flog them with a feather but in the end we demand it not happen.
all the above are not every Muslims wish, not near all of them, but those who do wish it are in the wrong country
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 6 October 2018 11:50:51 AM
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A call for help from Bazz....

*...To All,
Diver Dan's comment shows why Europe is in such a mess...*

Well I've been waiting patiently for the rush of responses to your call Bazz. So it's you with egg on their face isn't it!

Ostensibly, (which implies of course, you don't understand the reality), you draw your evidence of harm done by Sharia courts (sic), from the UKIP whinges against social change in the UK.

The reality is, Sharia rulings are only permitted if legal under UK law. So where is the problem here?

What you notate as Shira courts are actually tribunals, which negotiate outcomes based on religious Sharia law.

These tribunals are cultural organs promoting peace. It's the process of religious order, prompting Muslims to lay claim to Islam as a religion of peace. And so it is!
Posted by diver dan, Saturday, 6 October 2018 9:17:11 PM
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The man who is alleged of raping that 14 year boy in his front yard was
a muslim. His name was mentioned on TV on the 4th.
Hussian Noori is his name. The photo shows "middle eastern appearance".

Believe it or not he got bail & repeated bail at the next hearing.
Our judges are following the UK practice and leaning over backwards
to muslims. He probably will plead the usual "mental illness".
Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 6 October 2018 10:21:24 PM
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Bazz

Are you a sheep? Or maybe your in the paddock wrestling a bull by the horns.

You engaged me on the subject of the Sharia courts, and their non-implication in the demise of our society.

I've explained above in great detail, the facts around the alleged rape of a boy prostitue.
And you know what Bazz, you appear to be a total dolt in your response. If you have dementure, I'll sympathise with you; but failing that for an excuse for your lack of insight, maybe I should stop wasting my precious time on convincing you of reality.
Posted by diver dan, Saturday, 6 October 2018 10:35:45 PM
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Well Diver, you are having a rave.
What you have said is irrelevant. Whether he was practicing as a
prostitute is irrelevant. He is under age.
That is the start and finish of it.
You cannot wriggle out of it with any sort of argument.
The law is the law. If convicted the judge will no doubt take it
into account when sentencing.
That is the way civilised countries handle these things.
Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 6 October 2018 10:50:21 PM
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BAZZ! hkll mate he may well be a Maronite Christian , his name/color is not evidence surely you know that.?
His crime is dreadful, being granted bail is too, right now in a town near you Catholic priests/boy scout leaders, and a host of other religious people who have done the same thing walk free.
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 7 October 2018 5:56:41 AM
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Yes Belly, you are correct. He might be a Christian Maronite.
On the odds though I will bet you a beer or two at Wyong next year.
Posted by Bazz, Sunday, 7 October 2018 9:39:16 AM
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Look forward to saying gday, but in truth you and I hate this thing as much as one another.
I think we both question the justice of granting him bail.
But this crime is universal, not related to one faith or country
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 7 October 2018 11:27:32 AM
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Again, you are correct it does not relate to a religion or country.
There is a real difference however as the Koran refers to the young
boys being pearls for sex.
Posted by Bazz, Sunday, 7 October 2018 11:48:05 AM
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BAZZ dare we after the Catholic Churches infamy insult any faith? dare we ask why we have myths called Gods
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 7 October 2018 2:41:31 PM
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No Belly, but in the Koran it is a statement of faith.
Posted by Bazz, Monday, 8 October 2018 7:58:00 AM
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BAZZ NO DEFENSE yes it is, reading the first testament will offer other horrors you may not be aware of.
It remains my true opinion no God ever existed
That we,if we are brave enough, can become one humanity if we see that truth
Posted by Belly, Monday, 8 October 2018 10:46:45 AM
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In the meantime, and back to the EU, PM May is really trashing Brexit, which is not surprising as she is a Remainer and more Left than Right. Cameron, for all his faults, was also a Remainer but respected the Brexit vote enough to realise that he couldn't do it justice,so he resigned. Then, what did the Poms do? They gave the job to another Remainer. I don't know about the 'mad dogs' these days, but the Englishmen are still going out in the 'midday sun'. Britain is rooted - even more than Australia.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 8 October 2018 11:34:38 AM
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" I then set to work on each fleece individually. I use Haworths Scouring in Bradford. The next stage is spinning. I work mostly with Lightowlers Spinners in Meltham just outside Huddersfield.
I work with Ettrick Dyers in Selkirk. I work mostly with Drove Weaving in the Scottish Borders. All of my fabrics are sent to Schofields Dyers and Finishers in Galashiels.Any remaining yarn is knitted into socks at J. Alex Swift in Leicestershire, or is sold on for others to weave with it. We make great things here in Britain and I believe British-made goods have a level of quality that is renowned worldwide."
Posted by nicknamenick, Monday, 8 October 2018 12:05:17 PM
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