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Is an independent ABC is now dead?

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After the recent actions of the ABC board and its Chair, many critics have come out, that being various individuals, ABC staff and former ABC program hosts.

These people have sent out a message of wanting an "independent ABC", but hearing some their commentary has been conflicting. That being a somewhat pressing of their own positions and why these positions should be accepted. This is regardless of any ABC Charter being in place.

With that in mind, is it now impossible for the ABC to have any type of ability to be independent?
Posted by NathanJ, Thursday, 27 September 2018 2:03:33 PM
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yep save ourself a billion a year and get rid of it.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 27 September 2018 3:16:09 PM
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Nathan,

The ABC's independence is a concern.

The Chairman of the Board has now resigned.
News Ltd claims that Mr Milne had ordered the
sacking of ABC's political editor Andrew Probyn,
and Emma Alberici to be sacked because the Coalition
MPs "hated" them both.

Milne is accused of writing
in an email that both of these journalists had
damaged the public broadcaster's standing with
Coalition MPs. And they had to go - because "There's
no guarantee they (the Coalition) will lose the
next election."

Leigh Sales will be conducting an interview with Milne
on the 7.30 Report tonight. It may be worth watching.

Alberici was the subject of complaints from the government
over 2 news stories which examined why many large Australian
Corporations did not pay corporate tax and an analysis
of proposed changes to Corporate tax rates.

Complaints were raised with the ABC over the two stories.
The news article (why many big corporations don't pay
corporate tax) was amended. The analysis piece (there's more
to jobs and growth than a corporate tax cut) was reworked and
republished.

Perhaps there should be a Senate inquiry into how much
interference is being conducted to the ABC by the government?
And what exactly is going on with all these sackings and
resignations? We should fight for the independence of our
ABC. It is not supposed to be a mouthpiece for the government
but a separate, independent body.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 27 September 2018 4:33:03 PM
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No in truth even many Liberal voters are supporters of the ABC
the incoming government, there will be a change, will preserve it and return some of its lost freedom.
claims of bias [truly wanting a bias that suits them] will follow and the third grade propaganda press with be outrageous and hurl abuse and lies at both the ABC and the Labor government.
Unfortunately for them this country will always have a place for truly free press and media.
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 27 September 2018 5:32:58 PM
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What do you mean by 'independence' Nathan? The ABC is entirely dependent on the public for its existence, two thirds of whom don't even use its 'services', which amount to non-stop politicking of left-wing dogma. Even it's UNfunny home-made so called comedies are highly skewed to the left. And, the ABC completely ignores it's charter, a legal document.

The ABC will be independent only if it can be sold off to stand or not on its own merits, just like commercial networks. There is absolutely no need for the ABC as it is. It is just another government department and sheltered workshop for untalented bureaucrats.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 27 September 2018 5:51:27 PM
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"Is an independent ABC is now dead?"

You're using the wrong tense. Was it ever independent?

Its always been independent of commercial concerns.
Its always been independent of the populace.
Its been independent of government for decades at least.

But has it ever been independent of the left-wing cabal/employees that run it and set its agenda?

Perhaps... but not in my lifetime.
Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 27 September 2018 5:54:12 PM
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Dear mhaze,

What are you blathering about now old chap?

What do you mean independent of the people.

The ABC gets about 20% of the radio audience in the capital cities.

It is by far the highest ranking of news site in the country with nearly 3 million facebook fans.

http://blog.feedspot.com/australian_news_websites/

It is very much the peoples organisation.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 27 September 2018 8:07:16 PM
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20%. Well, of course that beats 80% hands down. And Facebook knuckle-draggers too. Wow!
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 27 September 2018 8:41:14 PM
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No, the ABC is not independent. It is very dependent on taxpayer funding.

It is also dependent on the arts to furnish its pool of talent. It is dependent on this pool of talent, to maintain its ideological left wing liberalism bias.

It is also dependent on a very small percentage of the population who use its services, to maintain an interest in its preservation.

It is not independent from Government interference, through its biased board of director appointments; whichever colour of government happens to be in power.

It is not independent of the commercial realities of modern media organisations, and their need to compete for funding, in conventional ways such as advertising and relevant content applicable to that advertising.

It is not independent to the need to move into the real world, and actually strive towards self sufficiency and true independence.
Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 27 September 2018 10:38:25 PM
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never the less far more want the ABC to remain as it is and follow its charter that is being independant
the right of reality section of this government are leaving even their own voters behind in a rush to please Murdock
Posted by Belly, Friday, 28 September 2018 5:58:44 AM
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Is an independent ABC is now dead?

Shouldn't that be Is an independent ABC now a possibility ?
Posted by individual, Friday, 28 September 2018 11:10:43 AM
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The ABC is fully funded federally. Its effectively a public service and the employees public servants. Can you imagine the employees of treasury demonstrating about an in house decision
Posted by the pilot, Friday, 28 September 2018 2:08:04 PM
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Although funded by the government the ABC remains
editorially independent as ensured through the
Australian Broadcasting Corporation Act 1983.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 28 September 2018 2:15:08 PM
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the ABC remains editorially independent
Foxy,
Don't you mean the ABC should be editorially independent ?
Posted by individual, Friday, 28 September 2018 4:00:54 PM
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The right of reality section of this government wants to serve Murdock, and harnessing the ABC is part of that.
However that faction, while in control of this government can not rely even on its own voters if it intends to kill the ABC
ABC will be restored after the government is removed next year
The battle for control of the Liberal party will continue
Posted by Belly, Friday, 28 September 2018 4:31:01 PM
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The ABC is independent as a hijacked plane is independent of the company and everyone else.

The far left whinge agenda promoted by this taxpayer funded organisation is far out of synch with general Australia.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Friday, 28 September 2018 5:48:57 PM
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According to the Australian Institute and the Nielsen
data - 83% of
Australians say they value and trust the ABC.

I'll try to get more stats. However it does seem that
the ABC is valued by most people in this country.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 28 September 2018 6:06:54 PM
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Belly,
No-one wants to kill the ABC. Wherever did you get that from ? What this Govt wants & quite rightly & morally so is for the ABC to be independent, that's all.
Don't read anything into it that is not there.
Posted by individual, Friday, 28 September 2018 6:36:08 PM
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Foxy your truth is unwanted by the very right
They invented a very left and will not let truth and reason get in the way of a good rant
Posted by Belly, Friday, 28 September 2018 6:50:25 PM
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Dear Belly,

It's what the polls show.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 28 September 2018 7:01:20 PM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

You wrote;

“The ABC is independent as a hijacked plane is independent of the company and everyone else. The far left whinge agenda promoted by this taxpayer funded organisation is far out of synch with general Australia.”

Struth mate you have swallowed the Koolaid yet again. Who do you deem to be the 'company' in this little tortuous analogy you have gaffer taped together for us today?

And what evidence do you have the the ABC is out of synch with the rest of Australia. They were certainly in synch on same sex marriage and you and your lot certainly weren't.

You really are a petulant buch you right whingers aren't you. Stamping your little tootsies when others don't fall into line with your march to authoritarian rule.

You lot just seem so comfortable with being told what to think, when to think it, and how to exclude everything else.

Look mate I have no objection to you calling out when the ABC crosses the line in your book, that's fine, but to want to destroy an institution like the ABC is just shallow, base, politics and is just depressing.

Grow up.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 28 September 2018 7:16:54 PM
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Conservative governments move towards the centre.
Leftist governments only move further to the left.

So if we have a leftist ABC pushing socialist like pro-immigrant UN agendas do you think that broadcaster is unbiased or a paid psyop to help socially engineer the country by telling everyone what their point of view is or what it should be?
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 29 September 2018 12:55:40 AM
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Armchair Critic said- "Conservative governments move towards the centre. Leftist governments only move further to the left."

Answer- Is an independent ABC is now dead? Well the ABC seems more and more a propaganda arm of the socialists. They appear to have become an enemy of the Australian people- sometimes you just have to call it as you see it. Why would you support your enemy in war? The Australian people need to kill off the ABC.

But yes we probably need to create an alternative service for rural Australia.
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The socialists appear to be globalist, social/ economic progressive, authoritarians. Socialist Party Spies appear to pop up at every public meeting to enforce political correctness or disrupt the meeting in its name.

The conservatives are socially conservative, relatively localist- the other dimensions being fairly agnostic from observation.

Politics can be divided into four dimensions- social vs economic; progressive vs conservative; authoritarian vs anti-authoritarian; globalist vs localist.

There are times for all of these things- it's a toolkit- society is like a ship that takes a long time to turn. Hopefully we turn ours before beaching it
Posted by Canem Malum, Saturday, 29 September 2018 3:22:45 AM
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If there is a fight between the globalists and the localists of course the globalists have the organizational advantage.

Currently the society's ship is sailing for economic concentration, social homogenization, global authority- the problem with a binary dialog is it will always result in extremism. That's why principles of balance are critical. These principles if constructed well can be used to determine when we lose sight of balance. If we become too global the world becomes tyrannical, if local interests become too dominant you can have local exploitation of the community. If we focus too much on the economic we lose sight of the reasons we have economics. If we define change as good we throw away the benefits of thousands of years. Authorities are often necessary to ensure discipline but too much and you lose the inventiveness and creativity that drive innovation. If there is too little authority then there is chaos. Often it's about balance.

There needs to be a way of having balance at and between the different levels of societies hierarchy- the individual, the family, the street, the local community, the state, the nation, the region, the world.

Less people would be better so that there is less competition for resources- and therefore less conflict.

Paraphrasing Malcolm Reynolds "we may have been on the losing side but I'm yet to be convinced that it was the wrong side".
Posted by Canem Malum, Saturday, 29 September 2018 3:23:21 AM
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Politically Correct Diversity policy is not diverse in the way that power is distributed. It hands to power to the few at the expense of the many. I urge all people to return to balance in society.

Everyone gets their 1 min to speak- individuals can't be allowed to get preferential treatment because they come from an intersectional minority group. Those that scream loudest cannot be allowed to hijack debate. Enlightened self interest can be a valuable way to judge policy.

For example- Should you support lgtbi policy? How many people do you know as a proportion of the people that you know are lgtbi? If you support lgtbi in a binary way without considering those that are "not lgtbi" then you are supporting the minority at the expense of everyone else.

There will always be injustice we can only move towards a more just world in careful steps. This starts with caring for those around us first. Everyone has to live with the people around us- we spend our lives exploiting our surroundings building ourselves and our sphere. If we exploit to excess we damage our societies, if we help to excess we hurt ourselves.

We are at a time when we need to protect the societies that parents, our grandparents, our uncles and aunties, our ancestors have built for us- we need to stand shoulder to shoulder. In war everyone must contribute to the nation and protect our culture- for our legacy. We must ignore minor things. It's just a bullet- walk it off. We must stand up for ourselves and protect those around us.

Good luck.
Posted by Canem Malum, Saturday, 29 September 2018 4:06:51 AM
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SR,

Maybe you could point out a news organisation that did not make it clear that SSM was the popular choice, or even campaigned against it? Notably, it was my lot that legislated SSM after 6 years of stonewalling by your lot.

Secondly, the ABC has been campaigning relentlessly against border protection which has a greater support in Aus than SSM, incl articles accusing soldiers of torturing detainees by burning their hands etc.

Finally, an independent survey of voting intentions indicated an even split of voting intentions at Newscorp with a 90% odd labor/greens majority at the ABC.

As for the metaphor I used of the hijacked plane, the meaning is clear without straining it.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Saturday, 29 September 2018 5:28:09 AM
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"Less people would be better so that there is less competition for resources- and therefore less conflict. Paraphrasing Malcolm Reynolds "we may have been on the losing side but I'm yet to be convinced that it was the wrong side". "

Trouble is , a nuke war may remove an awful lot of conflicting people who were not wrong.
Posted by nicknamenick, Saturday, 29 September 2018 5:38:39 AM
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SSM the ABC has been blasted with the charge it is the reason we now have SSM.
Can we let a truth in here.
Abbotts CONSERVATIVE ELECTORATE voted about 70 percent for it.
Read what you want to in that but please understand,within this government, small L Liberals exist, they supported SSM they want action on climate change,they want their party back.
Supporters of the extreme right, that faction that failed to install Dutton, but FAILED are pushing policies of fear and hate not supported by any majority
In not much more than a month the mid terms in America will deliver the birth place of far right extremism a massive blow, just maybe enough to warn this government to return to its place of birth small L Liberalism
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 29 September 2018 5:48:54 AM
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Belly,

It is also notable that of the 17 electorates that had a majority No vote 16 were labor seats, which is why labor so strongly advocated against SSM. At this point, Shorten advocated for a referendum on the issue.

When Abbott was in power he attempted to put in place a referendum which was then blocked by a labor that was now playing politics. MT then found a way around this and managed to implement SSM.

In this time all news agencies predominately had articles advocating for SSM.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Saturday, 29 September 2018 8:27:08 AM
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NNN AKA AlanB
Posted by diver dan, Saturday, 29 September 2018 8:57:37 AM
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The only diversity the ABC is interested in is ethnicity, skin colour and so on. They are totally against diversity of thought - and freedom of speech. We are paying for something that the lunatic left uses as its own private platform to spit their hate of the values most of us have. One particular nutter on OLO recently claimed that most Australians 'valued' the ABC. There was no mention of WHY they valued the ABC. Was it because THE ABC has always provided rural services to expensive for the commercial networks to provide - local news, weather warnings to graziers, bushfire information information etc; or do they value the constant left-wing propaganda, fake news, the sneering at their values and general sponsorship of Green Labor.

All of these 'facts' about what people think are totally invalid with what and how questions were asked. Given satellite and internet services to the bush, the only thing left for the ABC is the anti-Australian bullsh-t that rural folk can avoid via modern technology.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 29 September 2018 11:00:32 AM
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Strangely , the filthy pig-dog sewage ABC does long speeches by the glorious leader prime ministers Abbott Turnbull Dutton Scomo with brief sound-bites from scum labor rats.
Posted by nicknamenick, Saturday, 29 September 2018 11:13:07 AM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

To be clear I don't have a 'lot' so to speak.

As to the MSM getting aboard the Yes vote I will acknowledge even the Tele fell over the line eventually but there was a hell of a lot of sniffing the wind before hand and an inordinate amount of column space given to the likes of Akerman, Devine and Bolt.

As to 90% of the Jounos at the ABC voting Greens what rot. The fact that you didn't provide a link usually signals you have either made it up or the evidence so flimsy or so full of caveats it doesn't stand up to even a modicum of scrutiny.

Finally what might be clear in your mind doesn't always translate to the rest of us. Who is the 'company'?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Saturday, 29 September 2018 11:51:02 AM
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No defence Shadow Minister indeed your lot got the ssm up.
However while yes Labor suburbs voted against it I saw it as a social justice issue from day one.
As long as it is not made compulsory I do not regret voting for it.
As you in your post confirm, the rather childish view it was a lefty/Labor/ABC thing is well silly.
Middle Australia in truth is far more socially aware than the right of reality mob,
As seen by the last minute shut down of Dutton, small L Liberals will in time drive much change after they again rule the party
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 29 September 2018 2:51:36 PM
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Perhaps the commercial MSM is not much different from the ABC.

On 28/9 Channel 9 reported that Malcolm Turnbull had described his removal from office as “political madness” to reporters in New York. There was no, hang on a minute; wouldn't that make Turnbull's removal of Tony Abbott also political madness then?

Perhaps the reporting classes are all dumb or devious, no matter who they work for.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 29 September 2018 4:10:45 PM
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the mainstream in America do injustice to every woman who has been sexually assaulted by promoting and encouraging Hilary vagina head supporters making up false lies in order to smear those they disagree with. The abc is no different.
Posted by runner, Saturday, 29 September 2018 4:39:11 PM
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An indepentent ABC could be pretty detrimental to the Left.
No rotting cadaver, no maggots.
Posted by individual, Saturday, 29 September 2018 6:22:45 PM
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SR

Once again you post complete bollocks

For your edification

1) Airlines are run by companies work it out.

2) That the majority of NewsCorp journalists advocated for SSM, but these papers also allowed minority opinions is a positive comparison against the group think of the ABC.

3) ABC bias link, so that you can eat crow:

http://newsweekly.com.au/article.php?id=5595

"A survey of over 600 Australian journalists, conducted by a senior academic from the University of the Sunshine Coast, Queensland, has cast a revealing light on the political beliefs of Australian journalists.

It shows that over 40 per cent of ABC journalists support the Greens, over 30 per cent support Labor, and just 15 per cent support the Coalition.

While political beliefs do not automatically result in biased reporting, the left-wing dominance suggests that the culture of the ABC is overwhelming to the left, so that many journalists are unaware that their views are far to the left of the mainstream, or believe that they are a vanguard who must “educate” the public towards their perceptions of reality."

Belly,

I was for years before the vote a vocal supporter of SSM, I was also not impressed with the games that Labor played that delayed it.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Saturday, 29 September 2018 6:35:50 PM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

Your claim was;

“Finally, an independent survey of voting intentions indicated an even split of voting intentions at Newscorp with a 90% odd labor/greens majority at the ABC.”

Now you are saying;

“It shows that over 40 per cent of ABC journalists support the Greens, over 30 per cent support Labor, and just 15 per cent support the Coalition.”

40 plus 30 equals 70 not 90. You are condemned even by your own hand. Why did you inflate the figure by nearly 30%? Time and time again you do this kind of stuff and it is completely unedifying. You really need to stop.

As to the figures I said there would have been caveats and by god there were. Of the nearly 1000 journalists at the ABC only 34 were contacted, hardly a sample that would allow for statistically significant conclusions to be made. Indeed the authors said exactly that; “These differences, however, are not statistically significant”.

Next you claimed;

“an independent survey of voting intentions indicated an even split of voting intentions at Newscorp”

No it didn't. This was the split;

“46.5 per cent of the News Limited journalists would vote for Labor, 26.7 per cent for the Coalition, and only 19.8 per cent for the Greens.”

http://eprints.qut.edu.au/68322/1/2013_-_Hanusch_-_AJR_-_Journalists_in_times_of_change.pdf

So we are left with several possibilities.

1. You lied through your teeth. Not completely out of the picture since you were able to inflate 70% to 90% with your usual gay abandon.
2. You inflated half remembered figures because that is just the way you operate now. Probably the most likely.
3. You were too bloody lazy to check some assertion you read on some far right piece of rubbish site and just regurgitated it here.

Which is it and how do you like your crow?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Saturday, 29 September 2018 7:27:01 PM
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Thanks for the article Armchair Critic- Very interesting. Especially the Greens vote in the ABC which was much higher than that for commercial stations. It was also interesting how SteeleRedux calculated his statistics- it would have been good if the Same Sex Marriage vote had been calculated in the same way as SteeleRedux. Belly also talked about "Extreme Right"- an Ad Hominem argument to demonize those that don't agree with Social Change- Conservatives. Sadly most Australians don't appear to understand the term "Extreme Right"
Posted by Canem Malum, Saturday, 29 September 2018 8:05:48 PM
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I've been listening to Liz Coleman's TED 2009 talk on the Decline of Liberal Education- Also interesting.
Posted by Canem Malum, Saturday, 29 September 2018 8:09:37 PM
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SR,

You were trying to claim that the ABC reflected Australian views, my link showed clearly that you were wrong.

I hope that crow tastes better than the BS you usually spout.

True that I should have checked the figures before posting, but the essence is still that the ratio of roughly 5:1 labor/green to Coalition supporters at the ABC is an overwhelming far left whinge bias no matter how desperately you try and weasel out of it.

Secondly when you wrote:

"As to 90% of the Jounos at the ABC voting Greens what rot."

Were you deliberately lying or did you just misquote me out of laziness?
Posted by Shadow Minister, Sunday, 30 September 2018 5:49:28 AM
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I strongly and with some hope, believe the current war on the ABC is a product of a Trump admiring right of reality minority of Australians.
That group, powered by its inventions,fake news and fake charges has a few hurdles in its path.
Trump will suffer a very real setback in the mid terms, as a result the Republican party will begin a fight,, it will not be a short one, to see the middle take back their party.
Here too a right of reality has control, not total but control over the Liberal party it too will see a fight for control of that party.
The new tool used by the right, say anything some will believe it, has ignored even in their own ranks voters are far more conservative than extreme
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 30 September 2018 6:55:12 AM
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runner,
"the mainstream in America do injustice to every woman who has been sexually assaulted by promoting and encouraging Hilary vagina head supporters making up false lies in order to smear those they disagree with."
Isn't that exactly what you're doing? You have no evidence those women are lying, but you choose to assume they're the ones lying because you disagree with their politics but agree with the politics of the man they're accusing.

Likewise, you have no evidence that Clinton supporters and the mainstream media are encouraging anyone to make false accusations, but it suits your agenda to think they are, so you feel justified in falsely accusing them.

"The abc is no different."
Do you think they've encouraged anyone to falsely accuse anyone? Because that's a serious accusation and you don't seem to have any evidence at all.

Or do you mean the ABC is no different because you also have no qualms about falsely accusing them?

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Armchair,
"Conservative governments move towards the centre.
Leftist governments only move further to the left."
ITYF all governments, no matter where they are on the political and economic spectrum, try to move to their preferred position if they think they can. The obvious example is the Howard government implementing a rightwing agenda in their final term.

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Shadow,
The ABC has not campaigned against border protection. The evil policy of persecuting those who come here by boat is NOT border protection; refugees have NEVER threatened our borders.
Posted by Aidan, Sunday, 30 September 2018 12:37:29 PM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

You wrote;

“Finally, an independent survey of voting intentions indicated an even split of voting intentions at Newscorp with a 90% odd labor/greens majority at the ABC.”

And,

“True that I should have checked the figures before posting, but the essence is still that the ratio of roughly 5:1 labor/green to Coalition supporters at the ABC is an overwhelming far left whinge bias no matter how desperately you try and weasel out of it.”

So wait a second. The so called bias is 5:1 at the ABC but still 3:1 at Newscorp yet you try and paint one as even handed and the other as extreme 'left whinge'?

You really are pretty shameless aren't you.

Go lick the wounds and try and do better next time.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 1 October 2018 5:02:13 PM
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SR the invention of the far right *tagging anything they dislike leftist* over looks the biggest current threat to humanity is a world war started by the extreme right powered by lies and hate equal to anything Hitler ever used
Posted by Belly, Monday, 1 October 2018 5:10:18 PM
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My concern is the high level of armchair critics that have come out in droves since the situation involving the ABC board, these people (journalists, the media, commentators, Politicians etc.) have been critical and shown no respect to the ABC board at all.

For example when the new board member was appointed, she was swamped for comments by the media.

The interview on the 7:30 report with the previous chair of the ABC board, was labelled in some sections of the media as essentially "ridiculous".

This is despite the fact the former chair has come out and said the emails (that were sent out) were taken out of context. What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

The inquiry initiated by the Federal Government has faced criticism, as it is not "independent". These is no such thing as an independent inquiry as even with say a external investigation, no person can claim to be independent as (lets say a person comes as a consultant), they have political leanings of their own and future commercial clients to think about.

It will only take now, even something like an email from a current board member (lets say it was sent five years ago) re the ABC which may have an element of criticism to it, and that board member will be howled down by Unions, politicians, journalists and others to step down.

People do change their minds, grow and develop, but those in the media are there to make money, (including the ABC), so I can't see these people disappearing or wanting to stop find out more about the ABC.

Four Corners is no doubt looking into this issue as their own de-facto inquiry - of course at taxpayers expense.

I only hope some of these vile journalists and media critics are exposed by Media Watch!
Posted by NathanJ, Monday, 1 October 2018 6:42:45 PM
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 Just a quick one on this 'independence' business. When the communications minister Mitch Fifield complained to the ABC about the use of the C word on the idiotic Tonightly show, this is the response he received:

“The material was reviewed by the program teams prior to broadcast and posting, ensuring both complied with the ABC’s editorial standards on harm and offence”.

Enough said?
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 12:36:28 PM
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One wonders if the abc was so unbiased why is it that it is the lefties always defending it.They are as balanced as the lying feminists trying to stop Kavangauh from the High Court. They say their own lies often enough that some probably believe them themselves
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 1:24:08 PM
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runner we need you! us lefty,s who support the ABC have a problem.
We are marching in circles.
It seems as we march around the Sydney home of our mother of the left the ABC we constantly bump into walls and it has made some limp comrade!
See we refuse to say right so call left left left and then bang! we hit another wall.
Anyone have a few copy,s of Marxist stuff we can line that wall with, back to the plotting, come the revolution comrade
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 3 October 2018 6:31:12 AM
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The left's ABC bias has become a perfect case of poetic justice.
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 3 October 2018 6:40:59 AM
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indy yes! we are chanting all the lefty poems as we march lefty,s united will never be defeated.
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 3 October 2018 6:45:30 AM
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SR,

Well done for finally realising that the ABC is vastly skewed to the left, that Newscorp is not a right wing newsgroup and is far more balanced than the ABC. However, your simplistic comparison ignores the influence of the far left whinge greens.

The ratios for the Greens: Labor: Coalition are roughly 3:4:2 for Newscorp and 1:3:2 for the ABC which shows the disproportionate influence of the lunatic fringe Greens in the ABC compared to the far more centrist newscorp.

It must suck for you to be so wrong so often.

Aidan,

Clearly you can't remember the articles that the ABC ran on the possibilities of war with Indonesia if Abbott turned the boats around, the lies about Australian sailors torturing illegals by burning their hands, and even under labor the wailing about the injustices of detention and the BS about how the boats were driven by push pressures and not the free pass that labor gave them.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 3 October 2018 11:34:15 AM
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Supporters of the ABC Australian Bleeding Communists,will no longer buy new groups paper as of today, sorbent is far more softer.
Giggle worthy stuff this ABC is biased stuff.
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 3 October 2018 11:43:39 AM
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indy yes! we are chanting all the lefty poems as we march lefty,s united will never be defeated.
Belly,
Nice sentiments but the reality is that united, the lefties are taking us all down the gurgler.
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 3 October 2018 12:36:18 PM
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Indy old mate the truth is the true left exist, they hold meetings in the back of a single VW Combi van and have room left over if you want to sneak in.
You will need to have a red flag, no ability to think out side the square,, you will ace that,, but in the end it is not worth the effort unless you like long nights talking about nothing and drinking endless cups of coffee
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 3 October 2018 4:45:14 PM
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Belly,
how uncanny, you just described the Labor movement to a T.
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 3 October 2018 6:02:37 PM
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IF you need a writer for your insults my mate let me know I can do better than that.
The far right exists, it invented a left that does not.
That right is a bigger threat to humanity than communism ever was.
Find reference to an old saying it may very well have warned against that lost right.
*When Dictatorship comes some will call it freedom*
Labor in first preference votes has more voters than any SINGLE party in this country, take a million Combis old mate
two party prefered 47/53 in favor of Labor , make that semi trailers
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 4 October 2018 7:13:19 AM
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That right is a bigger threat to humanity than communism ever was.
Belly,
yeah ?
digest (excuse the pun) this then

http://m.harunyahya.com/tr/works/581/Communism-In-Ambush/chapter/56/The-history-of-Bolshevik-savagery
Posted by individual, Thursday, 4 October 2018 8:07:46 AM
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two party prefered 47/53 in favor of Labor
Belly,
why aren't you counting the Greens & all the other far left that support Labor ?
Come to think of it, what's the %age of actually working, productive people in comparison to those who choose the easy way i.e. who think the Govt owes them a living, who vote Labor ?
Posted by individual, Thursday, 4 October 2018 8:12:18 AM
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The ABC was/is unquestionably anti Conservatism. To deny that is simply being very stupid or extremely callous/hypocritical.
The Coalition does deserve criticism on many issues but what ABC journalist were doing wasn't reporting facts, they were making up their own news based on the opinion governed by their political leanings.
As others have said the ABC was never independent but what it should have been but never was is impartial.
Posted by individual, Thursday, 4 October 2018 8:24:26 AM
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In a word that has Sky and Fox naming other than them as biased is ignoring the truth.
In fact they invented the term fake news for other than their own propaganda named news
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 4 October 2018 11:45:04 AM
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Belly,
I can't argue that point because I don't watch their stuff but I'm alomost certain they're not funded by us taxpayers.
Posted by individual, Thursday, 4 October 2018 2:17:57 PM
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indy they got a 30 million dollar grant from the Turnbull government.
And believe it or not are behind the fake charges being leveled at the ABC.
Bised? not a big enough word propaganda is however
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 4 October 2018 5:44:55 PM
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Belly,
That's terrible. When did this happen & do you know what for ?
Posted by individual, Friday, 5 October 2018 6:31:58 AM
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INDY It took place a few months ago and has bought about a bit of a storm on social media.
A reason was given, but not one many excepted.
It was running hot until the seeming near half a billion gift to a private firm to? not sure what but we are told to help save the barrier reef
Posted by Belly, Friday, 5 October 2018 12:17:01 PM
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Belly,
Oh yeah, the $444 mil job by Turnbull. I was told by some GBR folk that the money goes to more reef ranger patrols.
Still a waste in my book but hey, look at the salaries of top public servants.
Posted by individual, Friday, 5 October 2018 1:09:11 PM
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no indy please do not go there! you got rounded up in your last effort to target public servants caught with false wages and nothing has changed.
We spend on our ABC about the costs of one new fighter plane, money well spent in a country that has privately owned media purely propaganda in the service of its owners and the party they want to win.
Posted by Belly, Friday, 5 October 2018 5:45:38 PM
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40 percent of ABC reporters vote for the Greens compared with 20 percent for the commercial channels. What proportion of the Australian electorate votes for the Greens? Well this would probably indicate that the ABC needs de-funding.
Posted by Canem Malum, Saturday, 6 October 2018 2:29:26 AM
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CM Source? how did you come by those figures.
Are you aware ABC people have won office in Liberal and National colors? Labor and greens I think too?
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 6 October 2018 6:58:01 AM
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Posted by SteeleRedux, Saturday, 29 September 2018 7:27:01 PM-

Dear Shadow Minister,
....
Now you are saying;

“It shows that over 40 per cent of ABC journalists support the Greens, over 30 per cent support Labor, and just 15 per cent support the Coalition.”

40 plus 30 equals 70 not 90. You are condemned even by your own hand. Why did you inflate the figure by nearly 30%? Time and time again you do this kind of stuff and it is completely unedifying. You really need to stop.

.....
Next you claimed;

“an independent survey of voting intentions indicated an even split of voting intentions at Newscorp”

No it didn't. This was the split;

“46.5 per cent of the News Limited journalists would vote for Labor, 26.7 per cent for the Coalition, and only 19.8 per cent for the Greens.”
Posted by Canem Malum, Sunday, 7 October 2018 4:25:52 AM
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Dear Canem Malum,

It is almost as if the more informed you are the more likely you are to move away from rightwing politics, especially the toxic variety on display from Abbott's era.

Also I wonder how many journalists would sit down to A Current Affair for their nightly viewing.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 8 October 2018 1:41:02 PM
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