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Is Misogyny Still Alive and Well in the Liberal Party?

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Foxy, I am heartened to see you too believe in the telling of the truth.
As I have regularly said, if we are going to be denied our inalienable right to speak the truth we cannot engage in an honest and truthfull debate or discussions.
Telling the truth also requires not contaminating the truth or facts by the introduction of words which may change the impact or intent of the message or the distortion of the details because it might offend or upset someone.
As the saying goes; 'If the truth hurts, to bad, it is still the truth'.
That's why the phrase; 'get over it' is so used in some cases.
The fact that the telling of a truth, hurt the recipients feelings, in no way de-values the message or the messenger.
Which is what PC wrongly and dis-respectfully contends.
To do otherwise, is to lie.
Clearly this is obvious.
There is no other interpretation to this fact.
Posted by ALTRAV, Monday, 10 September 2018 7:08:57 PM
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I think it's a question of attitude in the language
that we use in our speech. Few people
would deliberately use foul-language to make a point.
Unless it was some sort of a compulsion or as a result
of a limited vocabulary.

Most of us think of ourselves as tolerant persons, even
passionate in our belief that we have a right to say
whatever we want. However we want. But it is often
apparent that we all have a continuing obligation to work
on our attitudes. Every day we hear of grievances in
connection with spoken language hurled at teens on the web.
Who end up committing suicide. It is of course the height of
arrogance to think that we can go on being malicious - and
get away with it. Words do hurt - particularly the vunerable.

An absence of courtesy and understanding is inexcusable
and should prick the conscience of all of us. Our aim should
always be to behave with respect towards others, and to
encourage this in all people.

Nobody is trying to deliberately stop anyone from expressing
their truth. Or to censor them. All that is being asked is
the manner in which it is going to be done - if we want to
maintain a civil and cohesive society.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 10 September 2018 7:48:29 PM
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Foxy, I feel your suggestions might work in a domestic or private situation such as family or friends, in trying to instill 'your' particular views on those within your inner circle.
But remember, your way of thinking does not prepare the younger generation for what 'really' lays ahead.
The way forward for youth today is an unsavoury one, in so many ways.
You speak of teens committing suicide because of what someone said or wrote.
Your suggesting that the abuser should curb his/her ways, and therefore the teenager will not commit suicide, is very naive indeed, and dangerous.
You're supposed to be telling the children the 'truth' and instilling a notion of 'it's OK, they're just bad people' and reassure them that is the norm.
Not lie to them and tell them that these bad people should be more respectful.
Wrong life lesson.
By lying to them will not bolster their confidence and only lead them closer to suicide, instead of telling them the truth and empowering them.
In doing so it just might encourage them to fight back, in so doing give them a sense of being and a stronger resolve.
Quite the opposite to suicide.
The last thing you want to tell a vulnerable teen is that the abuser should be nice and stop abusing.
I'll bet even if you could respond to the abuser and told him to stop, using your best logic, he will come back and give you such a verballing, it will knock you three blocks to xmas.
Tell the truth, even though you both may not like it, it will be the truth, and therefore the only correct and just option!
Posted by ALTRAV, Monday, 10 September 2018 10:41:30 PM
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By all means tell what you perceive as the "truth."
But don't harm, demeam, or insult people whilst
doing it. Nobody likes or supports an illogical
or abusive debater. Young people need good role
models. Not ones that teach them to fight and
behave badly. "They can't be, what they don't see."
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 10:15:16 AM
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Part of the problem is our schools where children are encouraged to report everything to the teacher to have it fixed up, then they enter the real world where things are tough and running to the boss or relevant authority is a recipe for disaster, both on the job and personally.
The ones who have learned to stand on their own two feet are the ones who get on.
Posted by Is Mise, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 11:51:39 AM
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Foxy, you can't contaminate my truth, because it is THE truth.
There is only ONE TRUTH!
What I 'perceive as the truth' IS the truth, or the telling of a truth.
No matter how you read my truth, it will still be the truth.
What you are suggesting, as an example, is, if you have to tell someone their child has died. (such is the job of a policeman)
How can you word it so as to not upset them?
Same goes for being handed a summons.
How does one do that without getting upset and offended?
Foxy there are too many situations in life that must be handled with courage, tact and determination.
As for your presumption that 'they can't be what they can't see'.
Does not relate to bullying or misogyny just because they CAN see it and are subjected to it.
It is inbred from birth, it's the way we are wired.
Your contention that society MUST stop bullying and picking on people, is in fact a fantasy.
As long as there are people, this is the way it is.
Trying to tell the 99% to do something is harder than telling the 1%.
Broaden your exposure to anywhere beyond your books and computer and you will see the real world and all it's pitfalls.
Your wanting this happy place you keep promoting, is a wonderful idea and I would be the first to commend you, if it happened.
Unfortunately human nature will not allow it.
So Foxy, don't attack those of us speaking the truth, because you find it offensive or distressing.
Instead, try to gloss over anything you find offensive or stressful.
That way you can move on in a happier demeanor and the 'offender' has caused you no reason for stress and angst.
By doing so it becomes a win win situation.
The truth must never be compromised or changed especially for emotional reasons, or we will end up lying to each other, or worse still, heaven forbid, we end up speaking, Politically Correct!
Posted by ALTRAV, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 12:47:24 PM
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