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Are we facing civil war?

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runner says "the Catholic church was very much aligned with the Labour party"

Paul1405 responds "Not true, the political arm of the Catholic Church post WWII in Australia, was the Democratic Labour Party (D.L.P)"

Well we've seen previously that Paul's idea of historic understanding is to simply regurgitate ALP mythology. And we see it here again.

1. The period he mentions is 1945 through to (say) 1995....50 years
2. The DLP didn't exist for the first 10 of those years.
3. The DLP didn't exist for the last 20 of those years.
4. While the DLP had large numbers of Catholics, its raison d'etre was anti-communism not pro-Catholicism.
5. While its true that most members of the DLP were Catholic it most definitely isn't true that most Catholics were in the DLP. In states like NSW, Catholics and the Catholic hierarchy remained faithful to the ALP. Even in the DLP's homeland of Victoria, most Catholics remained with the ALP.
6. The DLP and its leadership weren't union bashers. They were pro-union but opposed to the communists using unions to further their totalitarian aims. They fought communists for control of unions but supported non-communist unions in their efforts to advance workers rights.

"Runner is one of histories ignorent revisionists. "

Yes, well there's a fair bit of that of that going around in the myths Paul chooses to believe.
Posted by mhaze, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 7:50:50 AM
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Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 6:56:47 AM- "if *you are not from our first nation * you are from migrant stock"

Answer-
1. Paraphrasing the Eureka Stockaders "we made it we own it"
2. I am from British stock not migrant stock.
3. Australia is historically a British colony.
4. We should try to protect Australia's native people within reason.
Posted by Canem Malum, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 7:51:28 AM
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Hasbeen,

"What are the names of the leader of the Queensland Labor Party, & the deputy leader of the Queensland labour party, who both served tine for paedophilia."

I think you mean Keith Wright (leader of QLD ALP around mid 1990s) and Bill D'Arcy.

You might also remember Milton Orkopoulos from NSW and Bernard Finnigan (SA). I guess its mere coincidence that they were all members of the ALP.

I'm not closely familiar with the other cases, but I know that there were strong rumours around that Orkopoulos was merely the fall guy for a much larger ring. The Royal Commission's terms of reference were carefully constructed to ensure these other issues weren't examined.
Posted by mhaze, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 8:07:42 AM
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//In states like NSW, Catholics and the Catholic hierarchy remained faithful to the ALP.//

Not all of them; there are Catholic, New South Welsh supporters of the old DLP to be found in my family tree, and I daresay a few others besides. There was definitely a DLP Senator for NSW:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Kane
Posted by Toni Lavis, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 8:22:28 AM
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//2. I am from British stock not migrant stock.//

You do realise they're not mutually exclusive, right? Even if agree that the convicts weren't really immigrants because they were shipped over against their will, all the free settlers from Britain were British migrants.

migrant: (noun) a person who moves from one place to another in order to find work or better living conditions.

//3. Australia is historically a British colony.//

But that is no longer the case; we've been independent since 1986.

Historically Alaska belonged to Russia, Northern Ireland belonged to Ireland, and Britannia belonged to Rome. Things change.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 8:56:20 AM
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The fact is Australia was settled with convicts and not invaded by a British army. People since then have come here and settled their family here, they never invaded this land. Mehreen Faruqi also came and settled here, now she feels the British has stolen this land, where does she then state she also purchased stolen land from earlier settlers, and not aboriginal owners.

The NSW parliament is there to represent State matters, not skin colour or a particular religion, as she sees happening in the Muslim appeasing Victorian Govt. She cannot see past her pitiful self, while we have NSW farmers shooting their stock and themselves. Another self serving politician that loathes White British settlement. When early Australia had settlers from many nations, including Afghan Muslims and Indians who have assimilated into the Australian way of life.

She has chosen to align herself with the revisionist view that of a British invasion of Australia; when because Australia was settled Marbo had a case for ownership of land. Otherwise Invasion means all previous ownership is extinguished for the invaders and their government. She has chosen to sit in the House of the Invaders and thieves of stolen land. That is what call hypocrisy.
Posted by Josephus, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 8:57:19 AM
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