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Reality is bitter- When will it become better?
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Posted by Ezhil, Friday, 31 August 2018 11:22:35 PM
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One of my aboriginal friends actually went to London to pick one of them up a number of years ago.
runner, yeah, I've heard of such trips to England. Would be interesting to know if there ever were any such reclaims to pick up the reamains of victims of Aborigines ? Posted by individual, Saturday, 1 September 2018 8:01:41 AM
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To Ezhil. You ask if I can deny that religions cause deep alienation and unrest in the world. I don't know the beliefs and teachings of many religions but I can tell you from the two of them that I'm familiar with that they don't teach alienation. That's something we do on our own. Often in spite of values to not do so. Looking at Christianity I see teachings in the bible that God loves the sinner and celebrates when they turn to Him, and turn away from their sins. I see teachings to love your neighbor, love your enemy, and to conquer evil by doing good. I am the most familiar with Christianity, because when I searched for God and found Him helping me read the bible. The second religion I know, I grew up around is Baha'i. And though I don't know the teachings as well from the prophet that started the religion, or the leaders after that time, I can tell you that it does it's best to not be an alienation to the world around it. Teaches about unity and diversity, encourages education and searching for God on your own, and even holds to a teaching to not fight back against religious oppression. (In Iran they have quite a bit of oppression going against them).
I can't speak for all religions. And I again recommend to differentiate between the religions to find more truth and more accuracy in any claim or observation. But with at least two religions that I am aware of, neither teach to hold an us versus them attitude. That attitude is on us as man kind more then it is on religions that say to love one another and to treat others the way you want to be treated. (Continued) Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Saturday, 1 September 2018 7:01:38 PM
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To make the point on alienation more clear. Have you ever worked at a job that has multiple shifts? Most social situations I see have elements of trying to draw us into a group by differentiating us from another group. Even within a company, people on one shift will hold the other shifts in a negative demeanor. I wish I could say this is not the case, but often people ban together by alienating themselves from another group or groups of people. At least with the two religions I know, this is not taught or encouraged by the teachings of the religion. But it is a tendicy among people. ___________ You also asked about how I know God is real. There are several points to go to for this conclusion. One is because His responses to prayer. (The times there was a response it wasn't always fulfilling a request, but it was a response. Something that I can't deny). A second reason to know God is real is by the experiences of others and myself. Too many accounts of miracles, answered prayers and other supernatural occurrences with God or angels to be either a lie, a conspiracy told from religious leaders, or only believed by gullible people. If nothing else these should say that there is something else out there, even if e don't know what it is. (Continued) Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Saturday, 1 September 2018 7:05:28 PM
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Third reason to know God is real is by looking at the world around us. At His handiwork. In a desert of space we live on an oasis of diversity and life. We even find life in the harshest conditions of the world. Looking into it more detailed we see ecosystems that work together like they were crafted in a way to belong. These aren't things that are easily passed off as chance occurrences or random chance, but robust survival and teamwork from species that don't show common attributes except for being near one another. Both with plants and animals studying ecosystems is a sign that God watches over the world and helps us in our place in it. Once again though, looking closer to any animal or any plant, and studying the anatomy of us or the anatomy of anything else in great detail is an area of awe inspiring and fascination to me. And it points very strongly to a designer to these great works of engineering. Going back to space again, I don't know how not to look at the stars without being amazed by God. Hope these answer your questions. Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Saturday, 1 September 2018 7:06:23 PM
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//One is because His responses to prayer. (The times there was a response it wasn't always fulfilling a request, but it was a response. Something that I can't deny).//
Coincidence and confirmation bias. //Too many accounts of miracles, answered prayers and other supernatural occurrences with God or angels to be either a lie, a conspiracy told from religious leaders, or only believed by gullible people.// "No testimony is sufficient to establish a miracle, unless the testimony be of such a kind, that its falsehood would be more miraculous than the fact which it endeavors to establish." - David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding //Third reason to know God is real is by looking at the world around us. At His handiwork.// That old chestnut, eh? Here's some comedians talking about the argument from design... I particularly like David Mitchell's (he's the one in the purple shirt) point about god also being responsible for all the awful things. Actually, that reminds me of my favourite hymn. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccAxVPI5ydY&t=522s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPriOQkKd6k Posted by Toni Lavis, Sunday, 2 September 2018 5:09:42 AM
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Neighbors physically
but religion makes them
Aliens mentally.
How do you say that god is real?. Please explain. In my opinion gods and religions are man made creations.