Peter O’Brien in Quadrant Online agrees that Morrison is better than Turnbull, “but that's not saying much -- especially if current energy policy isn't repudiated”.

While the Liberal party needs a Dutton or an Abbott, we now have a Morrison and we have to live with that. It is highly unlikely the government will survive the next election, but Morrison could go quite a way to regaining disaffected conservative voters by Trumping the Paris Accord, which is the silliest but most effective way of beggaring Australia's economy beyond repair.

Most of O’Brien’s article is devoted to the Left's whining on how good Turnbull was (further proof of just how dangerous the man really was), but the bit on Paris struck me as something Morrison could do to prove that he has shaken off Turnbull's North Korea-like re-education.

It’s doubtful that much will change. The cabinet reshuffle is just using the same old faces that were central to to Turnbull leftist policies on everything. The muttering about a 'new generation’ of leaders is piffle.

Not much will change until parties are prevented from putting up for election nongs without real-world experience. We need a system something like the American system, with multiple choices, to weed out the idiots.

Morrison’s new cabinet is not dissimilar to Turnbull’s. Morrison has done nothing to get back conservatives. The fact that Pune, Payne and Birmingham are still hanging around like bad smells says it all. It seems that the Liberals are as faction-riddled as Labor - something else Turnbull lied about; at least many of the Liberals had the decency to laugh at him when he lived in front of them.

Morrison is a compromise candidate, and compromises are neither fish nor fowl.

Scott Morrison has always been a strong performer.
He did well no matter what portfolio he was given.
He was not the enemy of anybody. That's why he was
elected. Dutton lost because of his divisive ministry
with immigration. It would have taken too long to
rehabilitate his image.

What the Liberal Party needs to do now is work together,
and try to get back in front within six months. They
need a new image - and for that to happen they need to
get EVERYONE on board. New policies, new directions,
new bosses. A new shake-up is needed.

Only then might we see a conservative party re-emerge
from the ruins - but this won't happen if they continue
to listen to the likes of Abbott and his ilk.

This is not over yet - not by a long shot. If the
in-fighting continues - it will be to the detriment
of the one seat Parliament. All will truly be lost.

Getting rid of the Paris agreement would achieve more in the stroke of the pen than what Turnbull achieved in 3 years after stabbing the previous PM in the back. Probably Abbotts biggest mistake selling out to the left wingers on gw. Thankfully he has been able to redeem himself a little by having the labour lite energy guarantee scrapped. Scott, Peter and Josh all know that gw is a scam. They are not into that idiotic pseudo science religion. Whether they have the courage to do the right thing for Australia remains to be seen.

Foxy your growing left ideology is overtaking your good sense. The last thing the Libs need to do is come together no matter who leads. This was your thinking regarding Turnbull, & coming together behind him would have been a total disaster for the people of Oz.

What they need to do is come up with some good policies, that will be good for the country & its people. This would automatically bring the party & their electors together.

Of course good policies would alienate the Greens & the far left, but they don't matter to real people. In fact if any policy did not alienate the Greens it could not be a good policy.

Morrison is starting out all wrong, & I doubt he will improve. As just a pale reflection of Rudd & Turnbull, I very much doubt he can come up with good policies. If he doesn't I predict he will not last a year.

Dear Hasbeen,

My goodness in your case we really do have to have to add deluded to ignorant.

These are the latest figures from the Lowy Institute poll on Australian attitudes.

“In 2018, 59% of Australians (up five points) say ‘global warming is a serious and pressing problem’ about which ‘we should begin taking steps now even if this involves significant costs’. Almost all Australians (84%, up three points) say ‘the government should focus on renewables, even if this means we may need to invest more in infrastructure to make the system more reliable’. Only 14% say ‘the government should focus on traditional energy sources such as coal and gas, even if this means the environment may suffer to some extent’. “
http://www.lowyinstitute.org/publications/2018-lowy-institute-poll

So 84% you dismiss of Australians because they are not 'real people' like yourself?

Mate you are the outlier as are number of right wing neanderthals in the Coalition. If Morrison wants to trot off and appease them then the slaughter at the next election will be massive. You want him to wreak the party just to serve a twisted fearful ideology you have manged to wrap yourself up into. Good luck with that.

Mark Steyn describes the Liberal party as “gangrenous and pustulating”, following the latest coup. He makes special reference to his “friend” Julie Bishop, whom he describes as “the Black Widow of the Liberal Party - she mates, she kills - but this time it all went awry and she shot the venom into her own leg.”

After explaining to his American audience that the Australian Liberal party is supposed to be a party of “classical liberals”, he opined that it is now “a loveless ménage of conservatives, semi-lefties and finger-in-the-windy opportunists”; an “uneasy coalition transformed into a disciplined electoral powerhouse under John Howard”, but which “now lies ruined”. He says it's easy to blame Turnbull, “because it's true”, and that Turnbull was “stupid in a way that only clever people can be”.

Steyn has had personal contact with Turnbull, and describes him as “thin-skinned and undisciplined. And that's not the kind of guy you want to make party leader”. Unfortunately for we Australians, the Black Hand gang and their toadies did just that. If only they had consulted Steyn before they knifed Abbott!

Turnbull could have justified stabbing Abbott in the back if he had governed “brilliantly” after the act; but, says Steyn, Turnbull “governed ineptly, selfishly, and pettily”, as some of us know only too well.

Turnbull was “a wealthy globalist disconnected from the concerns of the electorate” (how true), and he “decided to be the anti-Abbott by minimizing any differences between his party and the opposition”, thus giving us the 'Labor lite, (not all that light) we had to endure for far too long.

Turnbull “went in small and came out smaller”.

It's a great pity that Australians are not as perceptive whenit comes to our politicians as this foreigner is.

pity that Australians are not as perceptive whenit comes to our politicians
ttbn,
New Australians seem to be more patriotic than those educated here.

OK. Let's then take a look at the new leader who the
Liberal Party has chosen to replace Turnbull with -
Scott Morrison.

He was a Liberal right wheeler and dealer positioned in
NSW and was always going to go places.

A man who counts John Howard as his political inspiration.

So lets look at Morrison's record.

He led the charge on Australia's tough immigration policy.
He voted to give banks a $17bn tax cut. He cut $17bn
from schools. He cut $700m from local hospitals. He
supported cuts to penalty rates. He voted to raise the
pension age to 70 and to cut the pension. He voted against
the Banking Royal Commission - 26 times. He voted against
same sex marriage.

All in all when it comes to middle and working-class
Australians - it appears that the man is out of touch.

So yes, the man is definitely not Malcolm Turnbull in a
cheaper suit. But is he the man to win the next election
for the Liberal Party?

Let his voting record speak for itself.

Hands up who likes Josh Frydenburg?

Me, Me, Me!

The bloke's got great potential.

I don't know about newcomers being more 'patriotic' individual, but the lack of interest in things that affect all Australians is embarrassing. There is no need for fanaticism, but people saying that they are not interested in politics are pretty dumb. There is not much that isn't political theses days.

Foxy,
if, what you state is correct about the pension age & pension then He's already a goner.
Unless of course he manages the country's econonmics so well that workers can afford to pay into Super funds but that still leaves the retirement age. Anyone who works outside & on building sites & other physically demanding places then that alone is sufficient to write him off already & anyone supporting these heinous policies.

SteeleRedux
"These are the latest figures from the Lowy Institute poll on Australian attitudes."

It is easy to manipulate the results of a survey that only uses a field of only 1,200 people. (one thousand two hundred only)

Not convinced.

I have only ever had one single contact from one of these survey outfits & going by the questions they asked there was no realistic way to answer them.
what they should be asking is;
Is 70 too old to retire ?
Is a national service overdue ?
Should there be a proper old age pension scheme ?
Should entry to University be merit based ?
Should the DUI limit be at 0.75 ?
Should immigration be handled by the immigration department ?
Should wages be taxed by a flat rate ?
Should negative gearing be curbed ?
Should public service salaries be frozen for the next two terms of Govt. ?
Should non-citizen criminals be deported ?
Should the irrigation of inland Australia be the next Govt project ?
Should the income of a working partner of a pensioner not affect the pension ?
Should survey questions include the above ?
Ask those question, then publish the response just to get a real picture of the electorate rather than just some Uni campus or shopping centre.

Global warming and its co-partner emission controls is a death trap for politicians.
It seems that emission controls cannot be implemented without adding
dramatic costs to everything.
Those advocating "renewable" energy tell us that it is cheaper than
coal and gas fired energy.
It is true it is cheaper but what they avoid talking about is the
cost of making it reliable and capable.
It turns out that you have to build two power systems, each capable
of doing the job. That is where we are heading at present.

The idea that you can do the job by spreading the wind and solar
systems all around the country to take advantage of weather
differences again is only possible by having multiple capacity systems.
On top of that you need a very much enlarged and capable grid.
Theoretically in such a system a group of wind and solar in Nth West
Australia and in Nth Qld might have to supply NSW and Victoria.
Similar combinations would have to be catered for in the system.
Such a grid would be really expensive.

Any party that undertakes such a program is destined to join Malcolm Turnbull.
The opposition proposal is for 50% renewables and 50% fossil fueled.
What they do not tell you is that each has to be able to carry 100% of the load.
If they say they do not each have to be 100% capable then unreliability
is certain to varying degrees depending on how close to 100 % each is capable.

Remember - Morrison helped Turnbull roll About and forgot to warn Abbott.

Oh, another couple of things I forgot: he got stuck into people on part age pensions and fiddled with superannuation as treasurer. So don't get too excited.

On the other hand, as economist Peter Smith writes: “Shorten is like a menacing figure in a dark alley ready to pounce. We can’t be too choosy about who is best placed to fight him off”.

We SHOULD drop out of Paris.

Therefore we WON'T drop out of Paris.

Morrison is an unknown on climate policy but he may come to the realisation that the only way to get power costs under control is to abandon the renewables fetishism. But I have my doubts.

Alternatively he could just adopt the solution to the problem that Germany has adopted. Having been at the forefront of climate alarmism and demands that everyone cut emissions, Germany has now announced that they can't possibly meet their 2020 targets and therefore their Paris commitments are no longer valid either. They also said that they didn't really expect anyone else in Europe to meet their 2030 targets either.

So effectively they've said "oops, our bad" and then continued to demand that places like Australia abide by their targets.

And we are going along with that.

Eventually we'll work out we've been taken for fools. But things have to get a lot worse before the penny drops.

Then again, maybe Morrison is braver (and/or more desperate) than I think.

I could be wrong but I suspect that Morrison will
dump Paris if his past record is anything to go by.

Morrison has been unequivocal in his support of
Australia's traditional power source. He famously
brought a lump of coal into Parliament in February 2017.

"This is coal," Morrison shouted across the chamber.
"Don't be afraid. Don't be scared. It won't hurt you.
Those opposite have an ideological, pathological fear
of coal."

Is there an actual alternative to coal at this time ?

Hi there STEELEREDUX...

Will PM Morrison dump Paris, I'm really not sure, what is certain Paris will surely dump Mr Morrison. After all Paris is incredibly wealthy, being as she is the heir apparent to her father's vast Hotel empire. And while I've not had the pleasure of meeting Mr MORRISON, somehow he really doesn't seem her type. Besides he's married with children, and while Paris is to some, a rather 'fetching' and classy young women, to others she simply too fast, and altogether too ritzy for them.

Now once again your unwarranted slur has not gone unnoticed nor was it based on fact. It is well known, Naval personnel really do have a girl in every Port, and Naval Aviators have a veritable bevy of girls awaiting them, as they land their sleek fighter Aircraft in or near every Port. Do I need to say more.

As I type this I 'think' I heard the PM would NOT be abandoning the Paris Accord, so nothing has changed much in that Department. After all Scott M. was the preferred victor, by Malcolm TURNBULL when he announced his leadership spill. Mr Potato Head, was certainly not the anointed individual for leadership of the LNP. So he's very lucky indeed, that he's not sitting way back there, with Mr Tony ABBOTT, in the far off bleachers, way back in the, House of Representatives. Steele, this is one Topic, that've got a really good handle on!

IS there an alternative to coal?

Of coarse there is...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Diorama%2C_cavemen_-_National_Museum_of_Mongolian_History.jpg

Anyone who signed the Paris agreement, is either a liar or ignorant of the laws of thermodynamics: NO ENERGY IS RENEWABLE! If we could find such an energy, then hocus-pocus, we could have built perpetuum-mobile machines!

Nevertheless, the Paris agreement does not care what you do, only what you say - it's a political statement, stating who one's friends are, rather than a practical resolve.

Dear o sung wu,

Good to see you back in the mix old chap. I had noticed the brief hiatus.

I'm not sure Paris quite fits my definition of a classy woman but mine is only one opinion.

As to the so called 'slur' it of course was warranted. Hasbeen basically lumped everyone who wants action on climate change as Greens. I am certainly not a Green. He then said they were not 'real people' and intimated they were very much in the minority.

I called him deluded, which is very temperate language compared to some of the diatribes that have been gracing this forum recently, and produced the evidence to back it up.

As to the Accord action on climate change is obviously something most of the nation wants. Global warming can not be tackled alone. We need to be in a framework which at least attempts to coordinate abatement policy between nations.

Well, we do not have to dump the Paris agreement, we can just let it
wither on the vine like everyone else is doing.
Individual;
Nuclear is another alternative to coal and gas.
However because of the damage already done it will take nearly five
years to fix the problem using coal or uranium.
Already it is certain that load shedding will be activated in a
very significant manner. We can look forward to load shedding on a
regular basis.
All this will be made worse as 200,000 more electricity users arrive every year.
There is need for a crash program to refurbish all power stations.
Current wind output SA 146 Mw, NSW 294 Mw. A small fraction of demand.

Hi there STEELEREDUX...

Just a bit of fun and levity ol' friend. The two things that really push my buttons are unwarranted attacks on the coppers and South Vietnam or any conflict that Australia's been involved in, during these contemporary times. There's been one herein who's copped a bit of stick for his views. The dead can hardly defend themselves, especially when those scurrilous attacks on them, have been uttered by a lousy self-confessed coward.

Apparently we heard on the News that the PM has not abandoned the Paris Accord? So it would appear we're becoming one of the signatories to the document on renewable energy targets? Mr MORRISON wearing MR TURNBULL'S clothes perhaps? So nothing has really changed, the cost of power will inevitably rise I guess? Had Peter DUTTON become leader would he've continued with Paris? Still it's all rather moot now isn't it really.

Thank you Steele for your nice comments apropos my health, I guess it's down to age. Funny really, I still think as If I'm someone young, but boy when you move about, you soon realise you're not young by a long shot. Take care yourself, albeit I have no idea of your age, other than I know you've been around, and are by no means, insular or parochial in your thinking. Thanks again mate.

Of coarse there is..
mhaze,
rather coarse course you're on there !

Just for you Steely. In case you haven't noticed, apart from our wets the scam is coming apart at the seams.

Another news report,"Economic and political reality is biting hard in Germany, where Chancellor Angela Merkel has announced a push back against CO2 emissions targets which she originally helped to propose."

The Germans & other Europeans have already arrived, the Australians are still travelling.

Merkel, our idiots, and anyone who has promoted AGW and CO2 scaremongering should be made accountable.

Dear Hasbeen,

this was her comment;

“I am not so happy about the new proposals because many member states today do not comply with what they have already promised,” she said “We should first reach the goals we have already set. I don’t think that constantly setting new targets makes sense.”

Fair enough in my book. However given that 40% reduction is a far cry above the 23% Australia was looking to implement then it is hardly things 'coming apart at the seams'.

Nor does 'intense pressure from industry' constitute a denial of the reality of climate change. It simply is nothing more than a political reality that she is facing, one that was far more effective in this country where our largest mining magnate spent millions upon millions of dollars turning normally sensible people like yourself against action on climate change.

Sheep.

Should ScoMo withdraw from the Paris accord?

Hell no, he should simply do what the rest of the world is doing, which is stick to the non-enforceable Paris accord and in reality do pretty much bugger all.

Apparently Morrison is not pulling out of the
Paris agreement. "Our word is our bond."
What Australia will actually do regarding
emissions we have yet to wait and see - however
it seems that our new PM is not going to walk away.
He's behaving like a Prime Minister - not a party-hack
or a seat warmer, and for that we can all be grateful.

He deserves to be Congratulated!

No Foxy, he is behaving like a fool or a coward. Probably the latter.

Either he is stupid enough to believe in the Global Warming scam, so a fool, or does not have the guts to state his case, get out of Paris, & see what the Oz people really think of the scam at the coming election.

Either way, he will have to go.

Craig Kelly has raised the question of emission reduction in agriculture and transport.
It appears that, not just for electricity, we have to reduce what our
cars, trucks, trains, tractors, sheep, cattle have to reduce by 26% !

What sort of a row will erupt when farmers have to reduce their stocks
and replace their tractors and vehicles.
Will a bureaucrat turn up on every farm and tell them to shoot 26%
(50%) of their animals.

The conditions under which this change must occur has not been spoken
about and is very hush hush. Of course general aviation and transport
aviation will also reduce their emissions. Perhaps they will do that
by reducing the number of flights by 26%.
Of course Labour wants to reduce everything by 50%.

I have looked for info on this but it seems well hidden.

Are you larping as an idiot, Bazz, or are you really that uninformed?

CUTTING EMISSIONS DOES NOT REQUIRE A PROPORTIONAL CUT IN ACTIVITY.

Indeed we've altered the composition of the atmosphere so much already, and are so slow to react now, that we're likely to eventually have to cut our net emissions by more than 100% - which would of course be impossible if cutting emissions were proportional to cutting activity.

Despite the rightwing idiots who claim cutting emissions would require a command economy to deal with (and therefore GW isn't real but just a UN conspiracy to destroy capitalism and implement a command economy) it's widely accepted that a market based solution is by far the best way to tackle the problem. At some time in the future farmers may have to participate in an emissions trading scheme. And you'll find they can reduce their emissions without having to destock. For example, adding marc to cows' diet substantially reduces the amount of methane they produce. Plus of course farming has a huge role in taking CO2 out of the air.

And you may not have noticed it, but aircraft are getting more efficient. They're being constructed from lighter materials. The aerodynamics of the wings have improved. And they're being fitted with more efficient engines. So despite the huge growth in passenger numbers, their CO2 emissions have scarcely changed.

Hi there HASBEEN...

Do you think with the election of Scott MORRISON, we simply have another, albeit slightly tougher version, to that of the former incumbent? Actually I haven't made up my mind about him just yet. He was the one, who stopped the boats, dead in there tracks. Yet he seems to've been anointed for leadership, by none other than Malcolm TURNBULL? Why?

I think all of us, including the 'doubters' like me should hang on a bit, and give him a decent chance to see precisely what it is he has in store for us. Including the spectre of this looming 'Paris Agreement' that many of us seem to gaze upon with wonder and awe?

Another insulting response from Aiden.
If we are such idiots here, why are you associating with us ?
Just go away, it will be better for all of us.

Good to see Warren Mundine urging the Government to dump Paris agreement. Shows you that once the Labour party had people who refused to be part of the swamp.

SteeleRedux,

I know that numbers tend to confuse you but I'll throw some in anyway.

The 40% reduction in emissions promised by 2030 was for the whole of the EU not just Germany. It is based on a reduction from 1990 levels. On the other hand Australia's Paris promise is for a reduction from 2005 levels. So the two numbers aren't directly compatible. Even though the EU number looks much more impressive (and was partially done to suck in the innumerate...no names mind you SR) it is roughly the equivalent of Australia's promise.

The reason the EU chose to base their promise on 1990 levels was because of the history of emissions in the region. (History AND numbers in one post - hope you can keep up SR). When the two Germanies reunited there were lots of old decrepit factoies in the East which needed to be closed down for economic reasons. But luckily for Germany it also meant an unearned and rapid emission reduction. Russia bases it promises on 1990 for the same reason and the UK for similar reasons to do with the North Sea fuels.

So about 20% of the total German reduction is based on closing Soviet era factories. And about 23% of the EU reduction since 1990 is based on the closure of all Soviet era factories in the former Warsaw Pact countries.

Germany promised in 2007 that it would cut its own emissions by 40% by 2020 and its this assurance which forms the basis of the EU promise for 2030. But the Germans have now admitted that they will not meet that target and will probably fall quite a bit short. 32% has been touted.

/cont

/cont

The upshot is that, since 1990, Germany has reduced its emissions by 32% of which 20% was due to the takeover of the old decrepit East German economy. Their own efforts have reduced emissions by a paltry 12% by 2020. Yet they still preach to the world.

And the innumerate and ignorant continue to buy it.

So, if the EU target is based on the German target and the German target is no longer achievable (as admitted by Germany itself) then logically, the EU target is unachievable.

But those who don't want that to be true, will wilfully believe whatever they are told, and when the target isn't met, will wilfully believe whatever new target is offered up.

Meanwhile Australia will continue to try to do as they've promised and try very very hard not to notice that they've been played for fools.

anointed for leadership, by none other than Malcolm TURNBULL? Why?
o sung wu,
My perception of the Australian political Games 2018 is, Turnbull could see what was coming & decided to get a clean successor who won't have to do battle with the insipid Left on petty matters thus getting on with the job which the left would simply not permit Turnbull to do. Hence, sabotage after sabotage. Notice how quiet young Billy has been lately ? He knows he's not lined up anymore for the next federal election. I'm thinking that some family matter or some health reason will see him off in a bloodless coup. Plibersek is more & more on the nose now too. They realise they're up against a formidable opponent in Scomo. All Scomo has to do is leave the retirees alone & be seen to sort out Centrelink. Simply introduce no more tax hikes until the second federal election from now & freeze public service salaries. The rest is just part of the daily grind really.

Morrison is probably too cowardly to pull our of Paris, as suggested by hasbeen; all Australian politicians are cowardly when it comes to the United Nations and global 'scrutiny'. Even our only two 'hardmen', Dutton and Abbott, haven't had a chance to prove themselves on the AGW scam. Abbott said that he would pull out, but we will never know now if he is fair dinkum because of the ignorant, unreasoning hatred of the man.

Paul Collits writes in Quadrant Online that the Liberals, by not electing Peter Dutton, have helped out Pauline Hanson and Cory Bernadi. A Dutton Prime Ministership would have seen disaffected conservatives returning to the fold. Morrison's take over will keep them firmly out and back with Hanson or Bernadi. Will these leftist Liberals never learn that we have one socialist party perfectly equipped to wreck Australia: we don't need another one.

An 'opportunity lost' by the liberals (yes, they are now mostly small 'l' liberals in the lefty sense).

Collits pays due respect to Morrison's stopping of the boats, but says that his performance as Treasurer is 'murky': he has facilitated “a burgeoning debt, higher government spending, persistent extravagance in relation to wasteful education and climate-change expenditures”. He also generally supported Turnbull and his hare-brained schemes. Morrison is seen as part of the problems so is unable to solve the problems.

Collits admits that many people think that Morrison is Right enough to make a difference, but I am not one of those people. I think that he will be Opposition Leader next year, for a short time, then Dutton or someone like him (too late for Abbott) will be asked to drag the Liberal party out of the wilderness they will be in. However, we should be thankful that Turnbull has gone- a man who Collits regards as an “infection” who deliberately set out to “disenfranchise and thoroughly alienate a great chunk of its (the party's) own support base. Nobody else, including Morrison, could be that evil.

Hi o sung wu, yes I was waiting.

First his attempt to sideline Abbott is an indication that he is another sneaky type, a Turnbull type in fact. He should of course used his doubtless ability in a senior ministerial job. This shows he is planning on things that Abbott would fight, at least in private.

Secondly he is not pulling out of Paris. No one is living Paris. Some are pretending, but we under Turnbull, were the only country that was going to enshrine it in LAW law as another shonk told us. I am inclined to think Turnbulls helping him into the lodge was because Morrison wants to do it too.

What ever his reason, he has already told us with that, he is not to be trusted. I believe he is trying to con conservatives into voting for him at the coming election. If we do, hang onto your hat, as I doubt you will like what he then does.

Of course we may prefer what Morrison would do to what Shorten would do.

If the sun spots are talking true, it is going to get very cold in the next few years, which will destroy Paris the IPCC, & perhaps the UN. In such a case Morrison will be much better at repelling illegals than Shorten, so he is probably the better choice of the 2, but he will still need watching. Thank god for Abbott, & his mates.

You sum it up well Hasbeen. I wonder what fraudulent pseudo science scheme the regressives will draw up next now that gw has not eventuated. Morrison though should be given the benefit of the doubt. No one could be as wrong and obstinate than Turnbull on the gw rubbish. It is the religion that gives you status with the swamp. Malcolm can now join his mate Hewson on the Drum panel. He will fit in with all the 'diversity' in attacking anything decent.

Hi there INDIVIDUAL...

I must say you have a far better handle on Federal Politics than I. To be honest I'm pretty well 'shell shocked' as it is, and I do wonder whether anyone is actually running the country. Or helping out the Farmers, and keeping a close watch on illegal Boats arriving; while these internal battles take place!

You're right when you say Mr MORRISON is a far more formidable adversary than Mr TURNBULL ever was, and I can only hope that translates into the Polls - Thanks mate.

G'day there HASBEEN...

One of his first duties was to appoint Mr ABBOTT as a special Envoy to seek out Indigenous children who're failing to obtain even a very basic education? I wonder whether Mr Abbott's role will impinge on that of the Minister himself? I don't think so, as Mr ABBOTT has always had a soft spot for indigenous affairs? And I couldn't see him jeopardising such an important role purely on the ground, of the preservation of ego's or personal hubris?

I agree with you absolutely, he'll need to be watched, and watched very carefully indeed. Moreover his 'phone needs to be tapped, to ensure there's no two way traffic taking place, between 'Point Piper, & Canberra'? Heaven forbid, that Mr Turnbull takes it upon himself to hand out free advice to the incumbent PM? Albeit it's nice of him to do so, and all that, but not needed really. And you're right on that score as well. I'd much prefer the activities of Mr MORRISON than TURNBULL when he was firmly ensconced in the lodge. A dedicated Labour leader, completely attired in LNP clothing me thinks? Thanks HASBEEN.

G'day RUNNER...

Your mention of John HEWSON, evokes a memory of an awful leader, unable to win the most winnable election of them all! Why then, does the media always seem to seek out his opinion on virtually everything? A nice guy personally, a potential PM, I don't think so? Good speaking with you.

o sung wu

Hewson has his finger in the renewable scam literally. He is right in the middle of the swamp hence his sniggering along with the other feminist/Marxist on the abc. Here is a quote from Herald Sun

'Hewson is a warming alarmist and chairman of the Asset Owners Disclosure Project, “an independent global not-for-profit organisation whose objective is to protect members’ retirement savings from the risks posed by climate change”. '

Dear mhaze,

You wrote;

“I know that numbers tend to confuse you but I'll throw some in anyway.”

Only yours old chap. Figures like migration under Howard which you claimed hadn't even doubled when the true figure was not much shy of tripled.

I'm sure your latest bunch suffer a similar malaise but let's see.

Germany gets to preach to the rest of the world because their efforts now have renewables contributing over 35% of their power. In Australia it is less than 15%.

Germany employs nearly 30% of its workforce in industry while Australia is under 10%. Action on climate change doesn't seem to have retarded Germany one little bit.

Germany employs nearly 30% of its workforce in industry while Australia is under 10%.
Steele Reedux,
What is the score with Unions/striking in germany ?

What a useless waste of Abbott.

Well, Morrison’s insulting gift of something-or-other-to-do-with-aborigines to Abbott, and Abbott's pathetic acceptance of it has set the scene. I mean, how much more money and 'things’ have to be hurled at 4% of the population when nothing has worked in the past 230 years. Most descendants of the 'first people’ have already sorted themselves out, without all the bullsh-t and discrimination that has made a tiny minority of their fellows totally dependent on the state. But, Morrison remains Turnbull’s creature when it come to identify politics and big government.

Off topic, but it is my thread - America's Left loons have a lot in common with our Left loons in the case of deceased Republican jsenator, John McCain. Turnbull's biggest admirers were lefties who would never dream of voting for his party. And, similarly, only 41% of McCain's fellow Republicans had any time for him, while 60% of Democrats fancied him. All because he shared their hatred of Donald Trump, and, even though McCain was a "serial warmonger" supporting all of the military actions they deplored.

People sure are weird creatures.

What a useless waste of Abbott.
ttbn,
don't you mean is instead of, of ? Anyone who wants to bestow a knighthood onto one of the most privileged persons on the planet & asks for leniency for australian drug runners because Australia gave aid to the Tsunami disaster is as bad as one who gives a $28,000 payrise to already immorally over-paid bureaucrats. Such politicians need to go & thankfully they went.
Let's just pray the new bloke has his his head screwed on with a right-hand thread rather than a left-hand one.
My adivise to him is, don't raise the retirement age to 70 & sort out Centrelink & immigration.
Anyone who wants to work & is employable after 67 should be allowed to work but not be forced.
Anyone retired should not have their old age pension reduced just beuse thei're married to a working spouse. Immigration should be sorting Visa applications , not agents who go for the most able to pay!

Interesting enough ttbn the leftist liars labelled Mc Cain a Nazi a number of years back. Now he is a hero because he joined in their hatred for Trump.

Gee RUNNER that's depressing news coming as it did from a former 'LIBERAL' leader. I hope he was robustly contradicted or is everyone within the LNP completely spineless, or asleep at the wheel? Amazingly these people are content to empty their magazines from amid the safety of their cronies on the ABC ('A-ustralia's B-iggest C-hicken's'). Who exactly is this John HEWSON anyway? An utterly failed politician, we all know that. A 'Merchant Banker' as well, a close buddy with, 'you know who'?

Interestingly, I was unsure of the precise function of a 'Merchant' (Banker) as opposed to a regular Banker (Manager) From the Oxford English Dictionary in part it says...(2) 'informal' - 'a person who deals in something unpleasant'? Make of that as you will, of course it is an 'informal' definition.

So what's he do, he immerses himself among the other wets; and feminists around the joint, and snipes away, like a 'big girls blouse' just as I believe him to be. Someone who no longer enjoys any political relevancy at all. One should ask, does he, and many of his gender ('one' of whom is on this Forum) require to sit down, whenever they have a need to void their bladder's? Mate we're in a heap of trouble, we really are, whichever direction we choose to look. I'm sure, as night follows day, come the next Federal Election we'll have a minimum of three years of a Labour government. Won't worry me, I'll no longer be here.

Please don't misunderstand me, I think all fair minded conservatives should give Mr MORRISON a legitimate go. After all, he's had to take over the rein's of a veritable mess. He has to draw together all the warring factions, and then consolidate them. After which he needs to launch an attack on Labour's policies, no easy task in the short time before the next Federal Election. Have I got it right, do you think RUNNER?

o sung wu

to be honest I am quite pessimestic on one hand O Sung wu. I see a lot of good people who can clearly see what a train wreck the renewables fraud has caused in this country. They are however fighting against a powerful self interested media with abc among the biggest frauds. People with the lowest morals are the biggest virtue signallers in the swamp. Hence the uni professors, the pollies and ceo's of large corporates all in bed together. They have exchanged personal morality for virtue signalling. the gw religion, the destruction of the normal family are just 2 of the many issues.

Yep emasculated males have probably been Australia's biggest enemies as they joined forces with the feminist/marxist. You even see some decent men cowering to these marxist on the abc while speaking truth on other networks.

On the other hand my faith in Jesus Christ assures me that their is an authority well above all these pollies who are here one minute and gone the next. The existance and thriving of Israel as predicted by the Scriptures is plain evidence of God's promises being sure. That is why the secularist hate Israel so much.

I also take comfort that such a flawed individual as Trump has had the courage to stand up to the swamp and bring about some real good changes. In the end God won't be mocked however my and your children and grandchildren will suffer. I do love this nation and hope it wakes up.

Professor David Flint reminded us on Wednesday how differently the Leftist media treated the ousting of their hero Turnbull with their cheering when the same thing happened to Abbott.

During the interview with Flint, a poll was mentioned that had the Liberals in Wentworth on 39%, down from 62%. Turnbull quits on Friday, and a by-election will occur in October. There is some money on independent Keryn Phelps having a chance. With today's rabid leftism, and the obsession with same sex marriage and deviance, there could be something in that. God help Australia, because Australians will not.

runner,

McCain also has the advantage of being dead, which always seems to enhance the character and reputation of all sorts of scoundrels.

individual,

Surprisingly, other Commonwealth countries have done the same thing as Abbott did re the knighting of the Duke of Edinburgh. I know it's silly, but it certainly isn't particular to Abbott, to be fair; although it's hard to find anyone who wants to be fair to Abbott, who discovered the truth after he was ousted, and spruiked it. And, is Abbott the only leader to ask for leniency for drug-runners when a much less barbaric option is available?

The “new bloke" as you call him is not likely to be of much use. I doubt that he will be any different from Turnbull (who managed to get him into the job over Dutton, remember) for all practical intents and purposes. And don't wait for him to take your advice.

SteeleRedux,

The gift that keeps giving.

1. Re Howard. To recap, you made a series of claims most of which you later admitted were wrong. I showed you figures, official figures from the Dept of Home Affairs, that showed your claims about Howard were also wrong. You admitted that your numbers were wrong but continue to assert that the conclusions were right!! Hint: when the official figures disagree with your fantasies, its the fantasies that are wrong not the figures.

2. To continue the fun SR now asserts that "Germany employs nearly 30% of its workforce in industry". The actual number is less than 20%. Its been less than 30% for over 20 years. Still SR wants it to be 30% so that makes it true in his eyes.

"Germany gets to preach to the rest of the world because their efforts now have renewables contributing over 35% of their power."

The aim behind encouraging renewables is to reduce emissions. As I showed earlier, they've failed to do that. Spending mega-sums on renewables just for the heck of it might make sense to those who can't follow the statistics (eg SR) but it is hardly the cause for boasting.

Here's a link on the difference between Trump
and the late Senator McCain:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/07/20/what-donald-trump-was-up-to-while-john-mccain-was-suffering-as-a-prisoner-of-war/?utm_term=.74210c9b55cc

what makes a man a hero
I've often thought this through
It's not someone who brags a lot
It's someone who is true.

ttbn,
My neighbor says pretty much what you're saying & whilst I agree Abbott was nb. was, a superior option to Rudd it pains me to say that Abbott turned out to be a huge let-down. As so many of his supporters I too was nothing short of extremely pleased that he got the Coalition back into the driver's seat. But, as so many of his supporters I too feel shafted by his administration.
I do realise that even though a conservative Govt is at the helm, the bulk of the administration, the Public servants, are Labor. So, yes it is understandable that it is incredibly difficult to juggle effective governing whilst fending off the incessant sabotaging by Leftists in opposition & media in paricular, I still fail to see why nothing was done to sort out welfare rorting & persecuting old age pensioners with asset testing.
Unfortunately, as petty as the two inidents (HRH Phil & Drug Mules) are now , they were the catalyst to ruin peoples' confidence in Abbott. Petty deed, massive mistake.
As you said i should not wait for Morrison to take my advise, I'm not waiting but he'd be better off if he did. You see, i'm not an opportunistic grabber so I can quite confidently say that all other non-opportunists will agree with me & only non-opportunists will understand.
There is a huge difference between real patriots & the pretend variety.

Someone called Jackie Higgins, co-chair of something called the ‘National Congress of Australia’s First Peoples’, has started barking about Abbott before anyone, including Abbott, has any idea of what the 'job’ is all about. Before moving on to this woman's gripe - “Australia's first peoples” ? There was no such place called Australia until 230 years ago, so there is no way that the original inhabitants of the continent are anyone’s idea of the first people of Australia.

Higgins claims that Abbott “ …. has a track record in terms of denying Aboriginal people their rights to social justice, but also to self-determination”. Beg your pardon, lady: Abbott had a good record when he held the full portfolio under Howard and, since when was a tiny minority of Australians entitled to something other than that which all other Australians have!

“We’re all very dismayed at the outcome”, says Higgins. Well, a good many Australians are amazed at the mucking about with, the wasting off billions of dollars on, and the treating of people merely by dint of being related, no matter how tenuously, to the original inhabitants as though they weren't perfectly capable of looking after themselves like the rest of us. Added to all the waste of money and time - which has earned only complaints and abuse from the recipients of our largesse, they now want “voice in Parliament”.

Like all do-gooders and spenders of other people's money, Morrison was stupid to create such a thing as an 'envoy’ for aboriginal matters. How many more years does this nonsense have to last before the Canberra clowns get the message that some people will never be satisfied no matter how much they give them.

individual,

I agree that Abbott didn't follow through with his promises, particularly on freedom of speech and the AGW fraud. But I think he has been well and truly punished for his sins. He is yesterday's man now; it is clear that there will be no come back for him and he is no threat to anyone.

" the difference between Trump
and the late Senator McCain"

Another difference...Trump became President and McCain became bitter.

Meanwhile this tweet from Geraldo Rivera bought a smile...

"
1-record stock market
2-GDP revises up/economy humming
3-minority and youth unemployment record lows
4-NAFTA revising
5-trade deals being forged
6-Collusion/Illusion floundering
7-candidates endorsed winning.
For a “disastrous” presidency dude’s not doing too badly"

I think you sum it up well ttbn although had not Abbott been elected with a huge majority, What number of illegals would we be up to? How many more drownings of kids? How many more terrorist would we have in the country?
Yep you and Individual make good points but I doubt any other pollie would of had the guts and courage Abbott showed to stare down the UN, the haters of Australia and the idiotic open border policies of Rudd/Greens. It is one thing I felt sorry for Gillard that she had to put up with Rudds mess.

Unfortunately I probably agree that Abbott won't be back but he has done us all a huge favour in seeing Turnbull's gw religion fixation exposed and trashed.

Hi (again) RUNNER...

Last night apparently on an ABC TV programme, there was some sort of Parody, enacted by the Station, 'mocking' the Christian beliefs and values of Scott MORRISON now he's PM. Personally I've no skin in the game as it were, because I'm an atheist. But I've always defended Christianity because I believe (Philosophically at least) many of the suggestions/rules/ ideas, that are laid out in the New Testament to be of enormous benefit to all of us.

As a police officer I've seen much suffering and human destruction occurring within our own contemporary civilisation, to last me ten lifetimes, so what I've read and understood of the precepts of Christian behaviour sounds pretty good to me.

All I wanted to say really, irrespective of how much derision, or scorn you may receive, as a consequence of your Christian believes, don't allow them to try and force you to renunciate those believes, however hard they may try to do so. For I believe this is a strategy they're trying hard to use with Scott MORRISON'S Adminstration.

//Last night apparently on an ABC TV programme, there was some sort of Parody, enacted by the Station, 'mocking' the Christian beliefs and values of Scott MORRISON now he's PM.//

He's not Christian, he's Pentecostal. Pentecostals follow the teachings of Christ about as closely as you follow the teachings Mohammed, o sung wu.

I agree with Trump saying that all this praise stuff is over the top. Defence personnel join up for various reasons, one of them it being a cushy number with good traning, pay & opportunities in civl life afterwards.
Many people don't even get a mention for performing in their duties, let alone praise from the top. Defence personnel do their job which, when it comes to actally do their job can be pretty horrific. Some don't come home from work as do many other non-defence people. I would expect a defence officer in war action would constantly think about the worst scenario & that must surely be a massive stress but, they are made fully aware of that at the time of signing up I'd imagine. A truch driver or construction worker etc. probably has such thoughts also after being made aware of the risks in their jobs.
Drivers usually don't get automatically hailed as heroes at their funerals unless of course they were racing drivers.

stick to what you know Toni. I suggest your knowledge of theology is minniscule. Next you will be saying the gay marriage voters are the real Christians.

I agree Abbot has been too badly damaged by the campaign that was run
against him to be able to make a reappearance as a major liberal member.
However, such things have happened before. If Labour wins and the 50%
renewable target is implemented, there will be such a mess that the
Liberal party and the public might turn to him as the savior.

Labour will have to implement the 50% target and the Greens will be
wanting to start on the 100% target so Labour will have no choice.
There could of course be a revolt inside the Greens if they realise
that their messier is not going to appear.

Of course ScoMo may do the job himself and Tony would not be needed.
Abbot has a strong support in some areas as shown by the cheering that
occurs when he appears in those places.

Hi TONI LAVIS...

That closely eh? Me him (the Prophet) are pretty tight you know, so I agree the mix is unusual to say the least.

OK by now, you'd realise I'm as thick as a piece of 4" x 2". What are the essential differences between a person who practices the Pentecostal doctrine, to someone who's a devout Christian? I thought they're one and the same? My very basic research has revealed (i) they speak in tongues (ii) they believe they have the power of healing (iii) the gift of prophecy (iv) they believe in exorcism. Together with a few other basic variances. Am I on the right track?

On the news tonight: Angus Taylor and the Morrison government will be concentrating on reducing electricity prices, NOT emissions. Here's hoping!

mhaze,

A small correction.

It wasn't Senator McCain who became bitter.

The following link explains:

http://www.haaretz.com/us-news/premium-it-s-not-only-john-mccain-the-flag-is-at-half-mast-for-america-1.6431463

Foxy,
It's not trump's America, it's the Amerca Trump has inherited & is in the process of filtering the leeches from the blood suckers. They're hanging on the rope that pulls down the flag. A bit like those who want to bring down Australia whilst maggotting off it.

Toni,

I often disagree with your interpretation of the facts, but always feel you have a good handle on the basic facts themselves.

So what were you thinking when you wrote..."He's not Christian, he's Pentecostal. Pentecostals follow the teachings of Christ about as closely as you follow the teachings Mohammed".

If I were to assert that the sun rises in the west, I'd be less wrong than your claim.

I don't know where to start but Wikipedia is often a good place to get an overview....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentecostalism

Wherever Morrison's belief system comes from it is obvious that it is far more rational than Turnbull when it comes to energy prices and the gw pseudo science belief system. At some stage just need to be brave enough to rip up the idiotic paris fraud agreement. Any person with half a brain can see that.

Professor James Allan notes in an article today how shocked and hurt Turnbull was for having the same thing done to him as he did to Tony Abbott. What a bloody hypocrite Turnbull is, on top of all his other faults. At least the action against Turnbull - after 8 more poll losses than Abbott: the very reason he used for knifing Abbott - was done “in a far more open and transparent, if hamfisted way”. Turnbull has a “gall to feel hard done by”, wallowing in self-pity and lamenting the “decline” in political standards. His demand for names on paper before moving a spill was also an appalling assault on tradition.

The more we look back at Turnbull, the scungier he looks.

I do not see what Turnbull has to complain about.
There was a lot of comment by the party members about the emissions
and electricity system. It was all out in the open but he was so firm
in his belief in global warming and the need to cut CO2 emissions that
he just thought his opinion MUST override everyone else and that naturally
everyone would fall into line. They didn't !

Dear mhaze,

You fantasy was to base you starting figures on the year a PM came into power which was completely ludicrous and once again totally negates any sense of you being an honest broker in this. You through your dodgy figures had Howard less than doubling immigration rates, mine showed him nearly tripling them. Get over it.

You wrote;

“SR now asserts that "Germany employs nearly 30% of its workforce in industry". The actual number is less than 20%. Its been less than 30% for over 20 years.”

This trading Economics graph has the rate around 27.5%
http://tradingeconomics.com/germany/employment-in-industry-percent-of-total-employment-wb-data.html

This one form Statista has it at 27.26%.
http://www.statista.com/statistics/624297/employment-by-economic-sector-in-germany/

If you wanted to tell them they are wrong go ahead. Sure they include construction in their definition but the point is that Germany employs notably more of its work force in industry than Australia and its industrial sector is the strongest in Europe even with pushing so hard on renewables.

As to emissions of course going to renewables in their energy sector has reduced the figure from what it would have been without them.

Has anyone ever asked Morrison & what answer did he give ?

Indy,

It's early days for the new government so I suspect
that there won't be too many changes yet. I believe
that Morrison will follow the policies of the previous
government.

Foxy,
Too early to tell if he'll be a decent PM yes but not too early to see the Left already hell-bent to sabotage him.
If the lefties were really genuine about doing the right thing by the Nation as they keep preaching, wouldn't it be the moral thing to actually go & get a proper job ? I mean publishing fake news & talking unachievable ideology on Uni campus isn't really of benefit to the Nation.
Squandering revenue is not enconomics, creating revenue is.

SR,

"You fantasy was to base you starting figures on the year a PM came into power which was completely ludicrous and once again totally negates any sense of you being an honest broker in this."

I know that, with your rather limited numeric skills, this won't make much sense, but the choice of start or end year doesn't really affect the point I made. Start in 1996 and end in 2007 or start in 1997 and end in 2008 and you still end up showing that your claims about immigration under Howard were bollocks. Just like your claims about Rudd. Just like your claims about Gillard. Just like your claims about Abbott. All bollocks.

"If you wanted to tell them they are wrong go ahead. Sure they include construction in their definition ..."

So you claim that the number is 30% and then can only find data that doesn't support that claim and only gets close to it by including things like construction and mining. And yet you still think your assertions are valid. Nice! And if you're going to compare this new not-30% statistic to Australia then you'll also need to include construction and mining in the Australian comparison figure. But that will negate your point so I guess that won't happen.

"As to emissions of course going to renewables in their energy sector has reduced the figure from what it would have been without them."

Reduced to mere assertions. If only the numbers supported your claim. But alas. In fact, its entirely possible that favouring renewables has increased their emissions since they still need base-load to cover for the failing wind sector.

favouring renewables has increased their emissions since they still need base-load to cover for the failing wind sector.
mhaze,
Amazing that no-one has tried to contradict you on this after two days ?

Dear mhaze,

You charged;

“So you claim that the number is 30% and then can only find data that doesn't support that claim and only gets close to it by including things like construction and mining.”

Which is why I said “close to” you clown.

Enough already with the continual verbaling. It is deceitful and just strips away any credibility you might be bring to the table.

Look, I enjoy our exchanges. There aren't too many people on here who make me properly defend my positions. By doing so you help me give rigor to my arguments when I employ them in the real world. But there has to be some degree of honest brokerage or else the whole thing is just an inane exercise in one-upmanship.

"Which is why I said “close to” you clown."

Well you didn't say that...I did.

"Enough already with the continual verbaling."

Here's what happens. I read your posts and see something that doesn't make sense to me eg how many US troops in SKorea, size of Germany's manufacturing workforce. So I go and research it. Sometimes I find its right and that means I adjust my opinion. Sometimes I find it wrong but inconsequential to the discussion but of interest to me alone. So I don't post on it but file it away in the memory banks.

And sometimes I find it wrong and of consequence and I post the data. The tone of that and subsequent posts depends on the tone of the person who made the error. If they post the erroneous data in a pompous of condescending manner, I reciprocate. If not I merely note the correction.