Without googling anything, can anyone think of one thing Turnbull has done that has benefited Australia as a whole.

Something he has done that you could say good job I will vote for him because of that.

Personally I can't think of 1 thing he has done that has benefited Australia.

Turnbull has wrecked the Liberal party - deliberately, I believe. He has wrecked Australia by going the same way as Labor with climate change, multiculturalism and mass immigration. He has also ensured that Shorten will be our next PM. Perhaps that was always his intention, as Labor was his first choice.

Actually, no political leader has done a damn thing for Australia or Australians since John Howard; his successors have done a hell of a lot TO Australia and Australians - all bad.

Don't forget ttbn that Tony Abbott stopped the boats.

Everyone said it couldn't be done, but he did it.

This is the most important thing anyone has done since Howard, which will only be surpassed by stopping our huge immigration, & getting rid of alternate power generation.

What Turnbull has done is cost us billions for power, give half a billion to a bunch of clowns to go boating on the barrier reef, 50 billion to the failed state of South Australia to build useless submarines, & promise more billions to pump water around the Snowy mountains.

What a no hoper he is. I can't believe anyone could think he is good PM material, & should be kept.

Turnbull remember won the leadership and had much of the country behind him even before he took on the job, in truth Abbott was removed by his party Turnbull was only the tool they used, however the promise most of us saw in him was just not there, Mr Ute Gate was all there was, he should have been himself, he never was, he was a true Liberal but not brave enough from day one, to say so,remember his polling, not the negative party polls, his personal one, then think of who will replace him, it may not be Dutton, can any one see a Howard? one probably exists but the factionalism, in his party, will not let such a man be selected for a very soon to be held election the new leader will face a hard task

Of course the hard right posters are going to bemoan the work of Turnball's, if there was any work. These guys want a 'Fortress Australia' approach where the extreme call all the shots. Unfortunately for them the majority of voters don't want that, they showed it with the Mad Monk, and they will show it again with Dud.

Stop the rot, and call an election NOW! Turnbull tell your supporters to back a no confidence motion from Labor in the Parliament, and off to the GG for a snap election.

Given the Turnbull-created mess Australia is in, it would grossly irresponsible to have an early election. I believe that if Turnbull tried going to the GG to get an election, he could be refused and forced to resign. So, who ever takes over the leadership from Turnbull must, to turn the Liberal party back to relevance, undertake to do the following, at the very least:

Cut back immigration drastically.
Quit the Paris accord.
Bring the very expensive, biased ABC to book.
Deal with the AHRC, and dump Section 44.
Ensure reliable, reasonably priced electricity and gas.
Remove multiculturalism as an official policy.
Remove Bishop, Pyne, Morrison, Birmingham, Freydenberg from the front bench.

Dear Hasbeen,

Now don't go all revisionist on us now young fella.

When Howard took power the immigration levels were around 60,000. His drive for a 'big Australia' one that was pushed by his big business mates saw migration levels explode. By the time he was finally turfed out they had tripled. The first decreases were implemented under Rudd then Gillard. As soon as Abbott got in off they went again.

As I have repeatedly stated I would halve rates tomorrow even though I recognise it would probably cause a recession. I would also double our miserly refugee intake but that is another story.

Fact, they can be rather inconvenient sometimes.

Cory Bernadi describes the Liberal government as a “low budget” horror film using the same script as the performances of the three dysfunctional Labor governments – complete with “C grade actors”. Labor has one advantage: it knows what it stands for, whereas the Liberal party stands for nothing since Turnbull's defenestration of Tony Abbott and the very party itself

SR,

I'm not sure where you got your numbers from but they're wrong.

From Dept of Home Affairs site:

1983 (start Hawke) 93,011
1996 (start Howard) 104,551
2007 (start Rudd) 205,940
2013 (start Abbott) 247,233
2015 (start Turnbull) 220,434
last year 225,941

"Fact, they can be rather inconvenient sometimes."

Out of the mouths of babes.

Did anyone catch Judas kissing Jesus today? Morrison gave Turnbull a big hug in public, then the Romans carted Jesus off for Crucifixion on Friday.

Turnball's must be so happy he has such good friends in politics. What about the conga line of Turnbull traitors, aka Liberal Ministers, who voted against the bloke yesterday, but stood up in parliament today one by one, and without any sincerity pledged their support for their beleaguered leader. On Friday the same bunch of turn coats will vote against Money Bags once more.

Looks like no one can give any reason for Turnbull, regrettably for Australia is that Shorten will probably win.

Dear mhaze,

No I am not wrong about Howard though I did get my later pm terms slightly out of kilter.

I employed this spreadsheet;

http://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/ReportsandPublications/Documents/statistics/historical-migration-statistics.xls

I used the year after each was elected since they had little influence in the figures for the financial year they took office in and I did not include the refugee figures or special eligibility as they are different to direct migration.

Thus for Howard I used the 1997-98 figure of 65272 and 2008-09 figure of 171143. my call of 'tripled' was not quite justified but close.

The 2008-09 figure of 171143 also serves as Rudd's kickoff figure then the next 2 years there was indeed reductions from that figure in 168222 and 168268 respectively.

I will concede there were some increases under Gillard but no where near the dramatic increases under Howard. We are currently planning to run at around 190,000 which is far too much however I also concede the current figures of actual migration visas will be well under that due to changes within the 457 pathway.

By By Mr Ute gate, but by by too to Liberal party as we know it, the emerging right of reality faction has been at work for near two decades and it finally emerges from its moth stage to split the Liberals if not forever for a very long time, true Liberals, now in a minority never the less are as Howard showed, the side most likely to get voters on side.
Dutton, IF he is found under section 44 is it? not to be able to be in the house will have broken some thing that did not need fixing, for at least another few months

SR,

I used the same spreadsheet data from Home Affairs. But I used the data for "Permanent Additions" (sheets 2.1,2.2) whereas you used the data, I think, for "Permanent Migration". We could argue about the merits of each but my point is made either way.

You were wrong to say that immigration tripled under Howard.
You were wrong to say that immigration fell under Rudd/Gillard.
You were wrong to say that immigration increased under Abbott.

So, wrong on every assertion you made. But apart from that, spot on.</sarc>

If I were you SR I'd avoid numbers like the plague.

Oh one last point. I couldn't find any of the exact numbers you mention (eg 65272 ) on the spreadsheet and neither could the Excel find option

Dear Is Mise,

Get off the grass mate. With your figures you are making the claim there was less than a doubling under Howard.

The proper treatment of the figures show it was very close to a tripling. I certainly was lazy when I took a figure in the 60,000's and then called 171,000 as triple it. But triple is far closer to reality than 'less than double'.

When I get the time I will be interested to look at the permanent figures along side the 457 intakes and well at the investment category.

Anyway the fact still stands, the migration momentum was propagated under Howard and there has been no concerted effort to dial them back since from either side. It needs moderating substantially.

I will say though I never mind having my figures challenged. Proper data should always underpin discussion and if mine are lacking or weak or don't support my contention because I have assessed them on the fly then you every right to pull me up.

Sorry, that should have been mhaze.

SR,

You're claims were wrong. You were asserting that all the increase was due to the Libs via Howard and Abbott. That, as you now admit, was wrong. The increase began under Howard and continued under the revolving Labor leadership. It declined under Abbott.

You got the numbers wrong and the trends wrong.

But apart from being utterly wrong you were right.

"I will say though I never mind having my figures challenged."

Good. But whether you mind or not, I will always check claims that don't make logical sense.

In the end Turnbull had to go he was never true to himself, he caved in to his party's right every time, the factional war within his party burst from cover two days ago, like any volcano great damage will be done, maybe Dutton will become a victim this morning, both sides of politics, yes both, must stop the navel gazing, the truth is THEY, NO ONE ELSE are the reason primary votes are down, unless both ask why the branches are shrinking, why membership is stalled, a third force will emerge.
But for now if Dutton wins Labor will form the next government, maybe just in time for a mini GFC, one is one the way, and under a Dutton defeat the Liberals will have no choice but to confront reform and re-direction if, and it truly seems unlikely, Labor lost an election against one of the other two leadership contenders [it may well be one of them] Labor will be confronted with the same needed reforms now rather than down the track, both need to reconsider who they are and why not what faction is at war with who.

Belly, something interesting;

Turnbull's seat of Wentworth, which appears to be blue ribbon Liberal. In a by-election would it be so safe. Granted there are many effluent Liberal voters there, who would vote for Attila the Hun proving he was wearing the Liberal badge. I say with the right independent candidate, and there is only one Clover Moore, the Lord Mayor of Sydney. A three way alliance between Independent, Labor and Greens with both Labor and Greens having good candidates/campaigns and giving their preferences to Clover, over each other. Minus the Turnbull small "l" personal vote, plus voter backlash, with it all going independent, Clover Moore could win Wentworth. She would be no friend of Dutton's in the Parliament.

Paul 1405 seems more than likely your side will win the seat, things have changed however Rupert,s boy got flogged Turnbull and a few will stay because the best of the three for LIBERALS WON,had it been Dulton it would have been different, lets face it an election now is needed, but they will wait as long as they can no way around this my smile is a mile wide at the fall of Rupert,s Teddy Bear

Well the Libs had the chance to end the rot, but they blew it.

Turnbull was only ever a B grade clone of KRUDD, with the same incompetent thinking ability & arrogance, & now the twits have come up with Morrison, who is just a B grade clone of Turnbull.

We got rid of a soggy wet twit, but unless Morrison has been hiding his light under a bush, only to put another in his place

Poor feller my country.

It's time for the Liberal Party to now unite behind
their new leader and not allow the extreme right-wingers
and malcontents to keep on wrecking things. Voters will
not vote for a dis-unified party. If they continue using
the same wrecking tactics - they will hand over victory
to the Labor Party at the next election.

The positions of Peter Dutton and Tony Abbott
need to be examined very carefully by the new leadership.
These two men must never be allowed to be on the front-bench
of the new cabinet. Ever.

If they are not on the front bench Foxy the liberals are totally finished.

In that case, with Shorten as PM, the country is totally finished.

"Poor feller my country."

Hasbeen, you've said it all!!

Well, we now know for sure that 45 Liberal politicians do not get it at all, and 40 probably have some idea of the mess that they are in. The only good thing about today's vote is that Turnbull and Bishop have gone from the top of the party. But, Morrison has been Turnbull's sock puppet for too long to change a damn thing. Dutton was the Liberal's last chance. There will now be no alternative to socialism in Australia for the forceable future. Next year - or perhaps prior to this Christmas - Bill Shorten will be PM, until he is done over by Albanese, and many of us will not live to see another conservative government. What a bloody awful future!

Dear Hassie,

I've always believed that the voters do get it right
in the end. They're sick of all this in-fighting
by a few ambitious malcontents that want to drag
everything down to suit their own agendas. Maybe,
just maybe they'll get the message that voters are
not going to vote for greedy self-serving gits any
more.

I'm so relieved that Peter Dutton did not get in.
The only job he's suited for is that of an undertaker
at a funeral parlour. As for Tony Abbott - the less
said the better.

At least Scott Morrison has a brain and knows how to
use it. He also has a heart. Josh Frydenberg is a
very hard worker - plus he's not a wrecker.
We need those kind of people in our Parliament.
People who go in to make a difference - not just to
further their own careers.

Dear Foxy,

I'm just happy Dutton didn't get his hands on the leadership. I don't for a moment think he will stop trying nor will the Murdoch press.

Dear mhaze,

Knock it off.

We were both wrong, especially about Howard. But I was far less wrong than you.

The thing is I have repeatedly caught you with your pants down and yet can not recall you even once owning up to it. That is the difference between the two of us.

Dear Hasbeen,

These were the direct words of your mate Abbott; "There will be no wrecking, no undermining and no sniping."

Why do you still have so much time for destructive, lying politicians like him? More over why do you want such a liar on the front bench?

my mob Labor had a loss today, of the three Morrison is the worse for us RUPERT'S man Dutton would have been a walk over for us, the view above proposes that poster thinks only he knows the mind of voters steelredux not you as usual you are about right

SR,

"We were both wrong, especially about Howard. But I was far less wrong than you."

What did I say that was wrong? I simply quoted numbers from the same source as you. Except you got those numbers wrong. Which is par for the coarse. You said that immigration rates increased under Abbott and I showed figures that refuted that and which you've now accepted. You used one set of numbers to claim immigration tripled under Howard. I used another set of official figures to show that the increase wasn't anything like what you claimed.

" I have repeatedly caught you with your pants down".

SR in fantasy-land. Name one such occasion. I do recall more than once when you've made assertions that I was wrong and then made a quick exit before your claims can be tested.

eg

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=8152#254122

Good bye Malcolm, turn the lights out on your way out.

Sneaky turncoat delayed the vote for 1 day to allow Morrison to get the numbers to beat Dutton, Turncoat a mongrel to the last second.

Good to see him gone.

Dear Steele,

I agree - There's no way that Dutton is going to stop
trying to get his hands on the leadership. But then
neither will Tony Abbott. If I were Morrison - I'd
seriously not give those two much of a chance to do
more harm by putting them onto the front bench.
On the other hand - perhaps giving them overseas postings
might not be a bad idea. Send Abbott to London.
Dutton to Germany.

“Scott Morrison’s narrow victory is a win for “compromise” and Malcolm Turnbull’s desperate attempts to block Peter Dutton. But the margin is so close the bitterness will continue.” (Dennis Shanahan).

At the time of Abbott's knifing, his then 'friend’ Morrison knew about Turnbull's coming coup, but did not warn the victim. Abbott will not have forgotten that.

It's not over yet

Morrison and the Liberals will win the next Federal election.

Issy, you're like the bloke marooned on a desert island, who keeps repeating; "A rescue boat will appear on the horizon any day now."

Face the facts the SS Liberal Party has hit the iceberg, its sinking fast, and all they did yesterday was rearrange the deck chairs! But you can live in your fantasy world.

BTW, two of the scurvy crew, seamen Abbott and Dutton, are at this very moment down below opening the seacocks to hasten the sinking.

//Morrison and the Liberals will win the next Federal election.//

Not according to the bookies, Is Mise.

http://www.sportsbet.com.au/betting/politics/australian-federal-politics
http://www.ladbrokes.com.au/sports/politics/23450981-australian-politics-federal/23450981-australian-politics-federal/

Hi Toni, have you got a price for the Shooters and Hooters Party, Issy's favorites, he claimed he was a founding member, wants to get on early before the odds tighten. 10,000,000/1 would be a bit skinny, can you do better?

//Hi Toni, have you got a price for the Shooters and Hooters Party, Issy's favorites, he claimed he was a founding member, wants to get on early before the odds tighten.//

Unavailable, I'm afraid. Somebody tried to calculate the odds a while back, but they were so astronomical the attempt blew up their computer and nobody's been game to try it since.

In these pages we can with even a glimpse see the Qld/right, tea party Liberal right has wishes wants and dreams, but like little Ruperts man Dutton the numbers are not there those dreams over one night turned to dust, Dutton and his team of fellow knife holders marched around shouting right right right, refusing to say left and asked why they march in circles

I think those here that think Morrison will be another Turnbull may be in for a shock.

I recall that as Immigration Minister he got plenty of stick about 'stopping the boats' yet he sucesfullu saw it out. I recall howls of protest from the Illegals advocates about his tactics and plenty of name calling. Morrison was in charge of the operation that stopped the boats, turned them around and towed them back. He copped plenty of stick from the lefties for being successful.

When Morrison became treasurer Dutton got his job and simply carried on. so why are lefties now calling Dutton right wing. He did the work that Morrison started

Banjo, you could be right, Morrison also supports big tax cuts for big business, and he doesn't see any need for a Royal Commission into the banks. A real conservative with policies like that.

"Morrison and the Liberals will win the next Federal election."

Don't put any money on that Is Mise. You would be the only person in Australia who thinks that.

I had a good laugh about the press gallery yapping about how popular that horrible Bishop woman is as she marched along the corridors smirking. She got 11 votes out 85. I don't recall how well she got along with Morrison, but I hope she gets put onto the backbench, along with Pyne and Birmingham. The fact the Freydenberg was elected deputy leader (when he should be a backbencher, too) again shows that the majority of Liberals haven't got the message - he was as bad as Turnbull on outrageously high electricity prices and slavering to the Paris Accord. As deputy leader he can have his pick of ministries, and it is hoped that he opts for Foreign Affairs to get rid of Ms. Horrible, and thereby make his first positive contribution to Australia.

'As deputy leader he can have his pick of ministries, and it is hoped that he opts for Foreign Affairs to get rid of Ms. Horrible, and thereby make his first positive contribution to Australia.'

come on ttbn don't forget that Morison was in charge of stopping the boats. He could now do the next best thing for the country and tear up the idiotic Paris fraud agreement. Hasn't America surged ahead since they got a President with a bit of backbone and by putting the US ahead of the destroyers of the west.

The SMH has Bishop 'considering her political’ future after receiving only 11 votes. The report also says that Morrison has already offered her a spot on his front bench. MISTAKE NUMBER ONE - more to follow.

runner,

I don't see a connection between Morrison's stopping the boats, Freydenberg, and Foreign Affairs. Who will be immigration Minister is the question.

I don't have any faith in Morrison to do anything positive. There were, and still are, only two effective possibilities for leadership: Dutton and Abbott. I don't see Morrison lasting long - certainly not after the coming election rout, when the Liberals will have plenty of time and opportunity to get a decent leader without harming the country as they have just done while in government.

ttbn,
You could be selling Morrison short. He showed lots of fight and guts when he was Immigration Minister. In fact he and Dutton were like peas in a pod doing that job, hard to pick who was better.

I would be quite happy to see Dutton go back to Immigration and I would like to see big cuts to numbers there. For example family reunion needs drastic cuts and Dutton is the man to implement that. Then of course is the need to stop entry of those groups that cause us grief.

Better to get the work done on Immigration while the agreement with Labor is still in place as they cannot debate without breaking agreement.

Morrison may turn out better than you expect, at least he is experienced in immigration matters.

From the instant our new deputy Leader of the Liberals was elected he was going to become treasurer, he had first pick Morrison, in part will not reward some who brought about the mess, he however will be good for his party, while from the right he is far from the rabbid Abbott type

Bazz fact is Morrison will improve your sides voting, he is from the conservative side but not as much as Dutton, you are a bright man, no crap, true but time you dropped that left slur its is from your side even at the very highest level, Dutton is branded right of Liberalism,ask Rupert Alan Sky, all want him to lead, in truth he may well not win his seat, most true Liberals will be unhappy with him.

Banjo,

Maybe. But it seems to me that Morrison has disintegrated, along with everyone else and everything else under Turnbull, our very worst PM ever, who set out to destroy the party; and he has succeeded. He can leave politics well satisfied that he has done his best by his Green/Labor mates. Everything Turnbull did was a slightly watered down version of Green/Labor policy.

I cannot take Morrison as leader seriously. Time will tell but, as I said elsewhere, I don't think he will be opposition leader for very long after the coming election.

Most voters will be very careful after the antics of
the past week as to who they will vote for at the
next election. They won't want a repeat and have another
Prime Minster deposed. I doubt if Julie Bishop will be
on the front bench of this new cabinet. She'll probably
retire to the back bench, serve out her term until the
next election and quit Parliament. I don't see the Liberal
Party winning the next election. They need to re-invent
themselves - and re-unite, and that means getting rid of
the malcontents and destroyers within their own party.
Perhaps the voters will be able to do that for them.

Ton Abbott - who told everyone that he wanted to be a
loyal party member and serve the people of Warringah
as a back-bencher has done everything he could to undermine
the government and his party. Hopefully the people of
Warringah will be less inclined to vote for him at the
next election.

Aaron Patrick writing for the Australian Financial Review
back in March of this year stated that "the 60 year
old backbencher has said in private conversations that he
regards politics as his vocation and has no intention of
retiring from his Sydney seat..." It appears that this
politicians aim is to once again return as PM - and he's
prepared to do whatever it takes to get that job.

Senior political come-backs are rare but not unheard of.
Kevin Rudd returned as PM 3 years after being removed by his
own party. John Howard returned as Opposition Leader six
years after being removed in 1989.

No Opposition Leader elected immediately after his/her party
was removed from power has led the party back into office in
the modern era.

Bill Shorten may just be the first politician to achieve this
feat thanks to the recent behaviour of the Liberal Party.
I guess for that the country owes a Thank You to Mr Abbott
and Mr Dutton.

Foxy yes well put together thoughts, let me say up front my views keep me from branch meetings but far from campaigning, I can never forgive or forget the shear treachery of dumping Rudd, know those involved they betrayed me,they now know they did, I know only that stopped them doing it again, recently,like the dumping of Abbott,,, some,,, will build legends around this week, remember when they target Morrison, soon, he like Turnbull did not start the knife weldings, our then treasurer was meant to replace Abbott, the same forces broke the back of both governments climate change deniers, it will continue to rumble until one day,it splits in to a new party, Morrison, no joy for me, will bring many back to his party, quite a lot of one notion, intentional spelling is mise, will return but the sooner voters get a chance to be heard the better,,,for Labor

Foxy that is indeed a strange philosophy. We should of course unite behind a leader who is doing their best, who understands the world & our position it. One with good policy & programs for the betterment of Australians.

Just because a bunch of politicians chose someone to lead their party is absolutely no reason to unite behind them.

When you get a conniving cheat like Turnbull, who understands very little, & is using the position to further the prospects of a chosen few, only an idiot would unite behind them, Any thinking person would be doing their very best to get rid of them.

A week should give us some idea if we can accept Morrison. A month should show us if we have to start trying to get rid of him too. Unfortunately with Frydenberg chosen as his deputy, I very much doubt there is much chance of him proving satisfactory to most liberal supporters.

Think this through Foxy. If you were a yank, would you be uniting behind Trump right now. Unlike Obama, he has now well proved he is on the side of the US little people, but I'm sure you would never support him.

Apply your own logic to the situation.

Dear runner,

I don't think I would ever have thought I would say this but I preferred the pentecostal Christian to the other bloke. Wow. Even just writing it makes my head spin.

This is of course why you have been so measured about Morrison, which is fine, but the rest of us will be keeping a very good eye on him.

Dear foxy,

The most revealing bit of news was about the party that was thrown in Abbott's office the night before the vote. It went late and there were many empty bottles retrieved by staff, all of it paid for by us of course. They were that bloody sure of themselves.

Meanwhile the Morrison forces were working the phones using the time that Turnbull had managed to secure for them to pull the rug out from under the smug bunch of neanderthals.

It was appropriate of course that it was Abbott's office, this was a bloke who was that maggoted on at least one occasion that he couldn't be roused for a division. And to think, there are those on this very forum who still hanker for his return.

Idiots.

Hi Steele,

Didn't Hitler hold a drunken party just before he shot himself, a party paid for by the German people. There is a big difference between Hitler and Abbott, Hitler didn't drink, so he made it to his execution on time.

None the less, Morrisson will win the next election, I can't see the Australian voters giving Bill Shorten the reins.

I'm still mentally working my way through what happened during
this past week. And I still don't get why?
Why not wait a couple of months until the next election and
let the voters decide? Why depose a sitting PM now? Surely
people must realise that had Mr Dutton have won -
he would not have kept the job beyond the next election.
Who the hell wants an undertaker as a PM?
As for Scott Morrison? I very much doubt he will win the next
election.

As for getting behind the PM? That is what should have
happened with our deposed Prime Minister except that these
greedy malcontents placed their personal ambitions ahead
of the voters and the country.
They don't deserve to be re-elected.

Dear Foxy,

I think one thing you have left out is the deep sense of vengeance which drove Tony Abbott. There are many Liberals who are now calling for him to exit the parliament. I think they are on point.

Foxy as is the truth behind Donald Trump, big business and media has always had a hand in our politics,and a visit the week before this from Rupert Murdock seems telling, everyone knew the odds had been against a Turnbull victory, few however thought his removal would be so dramatic,the climate change debate has taken another victim, right now any look at Trumps actions in this matter [is he under orders?] is extreme, it in the end let a little man further remind us we are far better for him not being PM,Abbott, the polls may lift, but this country needs an election soon

Must agree with Steele, Abbotts sense of vengeance towards Turnbull has been evident since the day he was deposed. I have to give it Turnbull he snatched victory from the jaws of defeat. Not the entire victory he wanted, that would have seen him remain as PM, but a somewhat Pyrrhic victory with anyone but an Abbott lackey in control, even if it is the vacillating Morrison.

With a mere 11 votes in the leadership fiasco, the 'popular' Julie Bishop is "weighing up" whether to continue as foreign minister or not. Some of her "supporters" (how many of the 11?) think she should be the next Governor General, would you believe!

It is one measure of Morrison's weakness that he has not already seen to it that she is on the back bench already.

Sycophant-in-chief to Turnbull, Craig Laundy, has told Ben Fordham on 2GB that he is “physically, mentally, emotionally absolutely annihilated” by Turnbull's ousting. Boo hoo!

He advised that Turnbull is 'shattered’. Boo hoo again! Apparently the pair hit the piss together to drown their sorrows.

It gives one a sense of how the French peasantry felt when the aristocrats were topped.

And the ever-arrogant Turnbull thinks that everyone else has “lost their minds”; nothing to do with Turnbull himself!

A lot more of these arrogant, self-interested pricks in our parliament should be removed.

As it is in real life always the majority of the Liberal party got who they wanted, as it has become a real life event, followers and members of that party stagger like a drunken sailor towards the split that will come as each side would rather fight the other we will see a split that equals the DLP, [Diplomatic Labor Party] one that crippled the ALP in the 1950,s avoidable only if the in fighting stops and who thinks that will soon?

Craig Kelly, who I thought had some common sense, told the ABC that the people, not the the politicians, run the country. What utter bulls-- t! Nobody runs the country any more. Politicians are all about themselves, and the people don't give a stuff - they are fed up to the back teeth with the incompetence, lies and posturing of the people they elect to do the job. If voting was voluntary, as it should be, fifty percent of the population wouldn't bother with it. Politicians would have to get off their arses to convince people that they should vote - and most of the plonkers in Canberra now wouldn't know where to start.

I've just been told that Julie Bishop has resigned and
will quit Parliament. Where does that leave the current
government? Is an election going to be called - because
they now don't have enough seats to govern in their own right?

Then all this was for nothing?

What a shambles.

cont'd ...

Correction - I've just checked and it seems that
Julie Bishop has resigned her position as Minister
for Foreign Affairs - but she will stay on the
back bench representing her electorate of Curtin in
WA until the next election. So the government has not
lost that seat. I'm sure that the current PM will be
relieved that she's staying on.

Also she's to be Congratulated for doing the decent
thing here by her party - seeing as none of the MPs
from WA cast any votes for her in her challenge for
the job of PM. I repeat - none of them.

The lady has style, class, and party loyalty.

Dear Foxy,

I found it a little disturbing that Andrew Hastie's name was on the top of the list wanting to turf out Australia's prime minister. Given his military background behaviour akin to mutiny should have given him pause but instead he was a lead instigator despite him now trying to disown his actions.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-24/the-liberal-mps-that-sparked-the-spill/10161660

http://www.perthnow.com.au/politics/federal-politics/liberal-mp-andrew-hastie-says-he-wasnt-actively-involved-in-bringing-down-malcolm-turnbull-despite-supporting-peter-dutton-ng-b88940075z

Jim Molan also signed early. I would have expected better from them. These two may well be both dangerous men whose visions for this country do not accord with the great majority of its citizens. We have had some excellent past military personnel serve as parliamentarians especially after the second world war. However they came with a hard earned distaste for war. These two do not seem to be of that ilk.

They will be worth keeping an eye on.

ttbn,

"...If voting was voluntary, as it should be..."

In fact it is, there is no way that anybody can force an elector to fill in a ballot paper correctly and thus having their vote not count.
Being obliged to attend a polling place, obtain a postal vote etc, ensures that duplicate and impersonation voting is kept to a minimum.

One is reminded of Northern Ireland where the electoral mantra was "Vote early, vote often" and deaths in a family (of those of voting age) were not registered until after the election, even if the neighbours had to chip in for the necessary ice.

Dear Steele,

Thank You for your observations.

They are as always deeply appreciated.

At the moment I am very disheartened by the
shambles that we've had during this awful week.
There were so many people that I had pinned
my hopes on - whose behaviour has let the country
down.

I've just written a post on the "Who is Peter Dutton?"
discussion, that you might find interesting.

Anyway, we'll have to wait and see what happens next.

Foxy your recent thread about the future of the Liberal party turned out to be timely, and we are still not sure what that future will be

Dear Belly,

Thanks for that.

I'm not sure of anything at the moment.

I can only hope and trust that Julie Bishop will
eventually be rewarded for her loyalty. She's
earned a prestigeous overseas posting.
Perhaps Bill Shorten when he wins the next election
will appoint her?

cont'd ...

Dear Belly,

It would be great if Julie Bishop was appointed as our
next Governor General. The end of Cosgrove's term should
be coming up soon. She'd do an excellent job!

J.Bishop as GG

Hilarious laughter, repeated, repeated!!

Foxy yes again JB has earned her next job, we only need to know if it will be her leader or mine who gives it to her, just wanted to again underline a truth, Queenslanders think differently that other parts of the country it can be said each part of this country does, but some Queenslanders insist on thinking different that? well you fill in the blanks, Brendan Nelson has a job, and is doing it brilliantly, given to him by Labor [he failed as leader] Hockey is doing very well in his job given to him by his party, the former leader of the nationals did us proud in the Vatican after Labor appointed him, Bishop, had to be betrayed, it was that, because the need to defeat Dutton was seen as more important, she, by sitting on the back bench proves her loyalty to her party, shame so many did not hold that view

Hi Belly,

No way does the Abbott/Dutton camp concede defeat, sure their boy hit the canvas again in round two, but it was no KO. The judges scored the round 40/45 to Turnbull/Morroson, hardly a win, but the fights a long way from over, Dutton will come out swinging in round three hoping to land a haymaker on Morrison.
Unfortunate poor Julie was too close to the action, and she copped an accidental black eye, unfortunate shes out of action permanently now. When she recovers maybe she can take up one those plumb sowing jobs overseas as a consultation prize.

It would be great if Julie Bishop was offered the job
of Governor General - Cosgrove's retirement must be
coming up soon. Julie could have the last laugh on all of
them. She's earned a prestigeous posting.

I hope that Tony Abbott will accept the job that Scott
Morrison has offered him. That of "Liaison Officer," in
Indigenous Affairs. He has worked with Indigenous people
in the past so he's has plenty of experience in this area
and he could be kept busy and preferably out of Canberra.
Which would be so great for the Liberal Party.

Taking the Immigration portfolio away from Peter Dutton
was an excellent move by the PM.

Truth Paul and Foxy is the right v left war in the Liberal party was alive even the Abbott dumping,some will find my view annoying even silly, but from my observation point the ref, [right wing media nuts and that press Baron] are slipping in punches from the side lines, please may a day come when all sides take their orders from voters not self interested slugs

Dear Belly,

What I'd like to see is that media ownership in this
country would have the pre-requisite that it be owned
by an Australian who actually lives here. That would
get rid of the slimey Murdoch influence. I suspect
that's why Murdoch became a US citizen - so that he could
get his tentacles into the US.

Bank on that Foxy he has helped both sides to win elections here and in England his grubby game is power and influence

Dear Belly,

Murdoch needs to have the rug pulled out from under
him - but who's going to do it? "Not I" - say the
political parties. Although it would be great if
the rules were changed for media ownership in this
country that would only allow Australians who lived
here to have ownership.

Wishful thinking, I know.

Foxy both sides in fact have rewarded Murdock, both know he has too much power to take him on, the phone tapping scandal in England would have seen others in prison, he should have lost his rights to own or publish in America because of that at the time, our only weapon is contempt for him and politicians from both sides he has bought and paid for Kevin Rudd in his recent words was spot on