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Vladamir Putin: More Western Than Westerners Used to Be

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2. The people were shocked at how much Russia-ness was being sacrificed in order to gain the western life-style they craved. In the end, and to the wonderment of the west, they were prepared, even happy, to have a lower living standard if they could retain their Russian value. And it was inevitable that a Putin would come along and promise them just that.

Russia doesn't have a free press and most Russians are fine with that. Ditto free elections. Free market. Individual liberty.

Part of the problem for us and indeed for many of the Russians we tend to here from, is the thinking that Moscow is Russia. But when you get out of Moscow/St Petersburg you find a very different mind-set. I suspect that Putin is well aware of that just as Trump is well aware that DC and the MSM don't represent the views of the average Usian.

Putin will play the defender of the west if and when it suits. But I suspect he's way to savvy to fall for his own propaganda.
Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 26 July 2018 2:21:16 PM
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mhaze,

It's an old Soviet joke that can be adapted accordingly.

It's still relevant today.

The shop front may have changed - been given
different names and lables, a different "appearance"
but the inside of the shop remains
the same - with the same people running the place.

BTW: Have you read Masha Gessen's book, "The Man Without A
Face: The Unlikely Rise of Vladimir Putin?"

Worth a read.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 26 July 2018 3:51:56 PM
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It's also possible and increasingly likely that Trump is indebted to Putin and his associated oligarchs who bailed him out of dire financial straits years ago and financed many of his ventures.
When the Soviet Union collapsed back in 1998, many corrupt oligarchs stashed and laundered their money into US Real Estate.

In Trump World Tower, which broke ground in 1998, a third of units by 2004 involved people or limited liability companies connected to Russia and neighboring states.

Reuters reported that at least 63 individuals with Russian passports or addresses have bought at least $98.4 million worth of property in seven Trump-branded luxury towers in southern Florida.

Russians are huge investors in Trump organisations and it's no wonder Trump is reluctant to publicly produce recent Tax Returns.

Putin - a corrupt thug - seems to be holding something significant over Trump for him to travel to Helsinki for the sake of publicly sucking up to Putin but later backing down over "I meant wouldn't" when the event bombed.

It's got nothing to do with conservatism but everything to do with self-interest and self-preservation from both leaders.
Posted by rache, Friday, 27 July 2018 10:04:11 AM
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'We'd rather go to Moscow' Paris becomes tourist no-go zone after wave of crime and terror
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/755963/Paris-violent-crime-terror-Chinese-tourists-number-down
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 10:07:12 PM
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