Trump's own party is concerned about his lap dog imitation on meeting Putin he miss spoke he now says, is the man a traitor? or is he a fool, can we trust any thing he says?

Who is this "miss spoke"?

Trump is a well known liar both in and out of politics and if he is proven to be Putin's puppet, he would then claim to be the best puppet the world has ever seen.

The aim of that meeting without any agenda was always to deflect from the growing proof of Russian political influence, which he tried to do in his typical ham-fisted fashion, obviously taking no advice from his handlers.

He should be more worried about the continuing investigation of him receiving finance for some of his projects from Russian ogliarchs and criminals plus the existence of the alleged "pee-tape".

Trump is a just a man whom our 'tail wagging the dog' intelligence agencies are at war with because Hillary didn't win, and her crimes are exposed.

Hey Rache,
The Christopher Steele Pee-gate dossier was paid for by Hillary.
http://youtu.be/vpe6NadoPCA

Amazing how many will tell me and anti Trump folk we are angry because Hillary did not win, it is a fact Hillary only ever had my support because she was not Trump, too I honestly hold the view America, and some other western countries, bought about both these failed human beings,Republicans , long ago handed down the POTUS as if it was a shirt ignoring voters as if they did not matter,,, to family members, Hillary went in to the campaign loaded down with dirt that was never going to go away,thinking her country was going to reward her just because Trump was seen as worse, in the end both parties will benefit from this tragic mistake, putting a man few want or respect in the white house Putin is pleased and that should warn us all some thing is very wrong

Just how dumb are these lefties.

They must never have heard the fable of the boy who cried wolf.

They, & those riding the global warming & various other gravy trains, have been continually ranting some bulldust or other about how dreadful/mad/hopeless & anything else bad Trump is ever since his election. We have had so much of it that it all simply slides off today.

No one with even half a brain pays any attention, they simply turn the page, or the channel without reading whatever garbage the left are throwing today.

The left could sit back & watch the destruction of the USA by Obama & his crony capitalism hand outs of billions to his election funders, but now can't stand seeing Trump fixing the place. Talk about a colour bar, they must hate the sky being blue.

Belly if you want to be taken seriously, try waiting until you have something real to rant about. Of course you'll have to get your fellow travellers to do the same, or if you ever do get a serious problem with him, no one will be listening.

The same goes for the media. Only a ratbag leftie could possibly believe anything on the ABC, such is the spin. I haven't had the ABC on in years. Channel 7 went the same way, their spin on Trump was making me dizzy.

I'll admit the other 2, [I don't even consider SBS for anything but imported docos], are pretty puerile, but at least not as toxic as 2 & 7.

Time to grow up fellers, & stop shooting your own feet off.

Hasbeen in real life maybe you and I could get along, I have had grumpy old men as mates before, in stating my view about Trump you hurl that *left* rock at me, I am as far from it as you are,no less than Time Magazine shares my concerns, this weeks issue has Trump morphing in to Putin on the cover, STOP the childish thought, that everyone opposed to your view, is a lefty, my faction of the ALP occupies the very ground/policies, your conservatives once held, only in the minds of the lost can such groundless fears of the left exist, Trump insults his own security forces why? what has Putin got on him? the man is a failed human being.

"If Trump were the Manchurian candidate that people keep wanting to believe that he is, here are some of the things he’d be doing:

Limiting fracking as much as he possibly could
Blocking oil and gas pipelines
Opening negotiations for major nuclear arms reductions
Cutting U.S. military spending
Trying to tamp down tensions with Russia’s ally Iran

That Trump is planning to do precisely the opposite of these things may or may not be good policy for the United States, but anybody who thinks this is a Russia appeasement policy has been drinking way too much joy juice."

http://www.the-american-interest.com/2017/02/24/trump-isnt-sounding-like-a-russian-mole/

American media outlets are all asking the same questions -
trying to find out the reasons for President Trump's
striking behaviour. Whether he was blackmailed, bribed,
or something else? All that remains to be ascertained.

Why would a US President subordinate himself to a Russian
dictator? Standing alongside Putin, Trump denounced the
special counsel investigating Russian intervention in the
US election and he even repudiated his own intelligence
appointees. This is an unprecedented situation.

That Trump has publicly refused to defend his country's
electoral process and did so jointly with the foreign
dictator who perverted that process is video recorded
fact. And it is a fact that has to be seen in a larger
context of his actions in office:

1) Denouncing the EU as a "foe."
2) Threatening to break up NATO.
3) Wrecking the US led world trading system.
4) Intervening in both UK and German politics in support of
extremist and pro-Russian forces.
5) Continually refusing to act to protect the integrity of
the US.

All adds up to a political indictment. R. Mueller leading a
legal process - the US faces a national-security emergency.
One that can't and should not be ignored any longer.

A little like our one nation Trump supporters clutch him to their unthinking breasts quite sure he share prejudices they have, content to forget if ever either one got their way this world would be a far worse place, open unthinking blind racism feeds both movements and yet America names the Island its statue of Liberty stands on after a far better America, the one that pleaded send me your poor and downtrodden, ext,Once Trump would have been welcome at a meeting of a bloke called Adolf and his mate Benito, his father a migrant, may well have, ever should have, warned Don about them

"Why would a US President subordinate himself to a Russian
dictator?"

Trump Derangement Syndrome is strong with this one.

"Denouncing the EU as a "foe."

Actually 'economic foe'. How dare a US President say the bleeding obvious.

"Threatening to break up NATO." Rubbish. But Trump is trying to get the European allies to spend more on defence against Putin. How that is a pro-Putin policy is something that only someone completely devoid of logic could understand.

" Wrecking the US led world trading system." Or rectifying it so that's less unfavourable to the US.

" Intervening in both UK and German politics in support of extremist and pro-Russian forces." He intervened in the UK in support of those who want to implement the will of the people as expressed in the Brexit vote. People doing the democratic thing are extremists now?

" Continually refusing to act to protect the integrity of the US."
Rubbish. The very opposite in fact.

mhaze,

You really need to read what the US media is saying.
Google it.
I simply can't believe that you are defending this
man. And buying what he's selling.
I gave you more credit than that.

Foxy,

I do read the US media...just not the same media as you. Or should I say I read the same media as you and then I read the other side and then I form an opinion.

Reading only that media which is hopelessly anti-Trump from the outset and then assuming that they'll tell you the unbiased truth is not only bonkers but will lead you to continually wonder why things don't turn out the way you thought they would. That's part of the reason people were and are so shocked at the Trump presidency - they were assured that Hillary was a certainty and even now, 18 months later they can't understand why that turned out to be wrong. Whereas those of us who read more widely knew that Trump was in with a very good chance of winning and consequently we spent a lot more time understanding his policies and aims. The anti-Trumps are still throwing their tantrums and haven't bothered to try to understand his positions.

If you're interested try these as a start to understanding what's really going on:

http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/

http://dailycaller.com/

http://www.dailywire.com/

http://donsurber.blogspot.com.au/

http://blog.dilbert.com/?utm_source=dilbert.com&utm_medium=site&utm_campaign=brand-engagement&utm_content=navigation

I might point out that the last two predicted a Trump win a long way before the poll and therefore, in my view have added credence.

Reading media which got the election hopelessly wrong and assuming they are now correct seems like a fool's errand.

Dear Hasbeen,

What a bunch of waffle.

You were asked directly by Belly to address the notion that Trump may well be a traitor, putting his own interests well above those of his country.

You did not address this in your post at all. All you did was to do a little dummy spit on irrelevant issues.

Is your nose really that brown that you can't answer a simple question?

Perhaps it is.

Perhaps it really is.

mhaze,

I actually don't go by newspaper titles when searching.
I put in the subject (issue) instead - and see what comes up.
That way I've found that I get a less biased coverage
from just one point of view. I am familiar with PJ Media,
Daily Caller, and Daily Wire. But thank you for taking the
time to give me those links.

//Opening negotiations for major nuclear arms reductions//

Eh, what? I thought the Cold War was over. Surely nobody needs more nukes than is required to entirely reduce the other side's country to molten glass?

America has 4,000.

Russia has 4,300.

We've all seen what one nuke can do... what possible need could anybody have for 4,000? That's not just more than sufficient to f*&k the other guys several times over, it's more than sufficient to f^%k every last man on Earth.

There's no deep strategic thinking in possessing nuclear arsenals that are way in surplus of any conceivable requirement; it's just a big dick contest.

How naive do you have to be not to see that Trump is a deeply flawed and dishonest individual propped up by extremists and an army of appointed yes-men?

Coddling despots and alienating allies is not how diplomacy works and starting Trade Wars is not a clever long-term strategy.

He's too stupid to be a traitor but is definitely a fool.

His stunts may play well in the reich-wing media but when the results start to bite his support base they will desert him in droves.

All it will take is for the EU to stop using petrodollars in lieu of Euros and the USA will only last 3 weeks.

Why does Trump go against his own intelligence agencies?

Because Brennan, Clapper and Comey can't be trusted.

After Trump's fall, and it will come, those supporting him, and it is world wide but a minority, unless you are Russian, will not even try to ask what they ever saw in him,some still hurl the Bill Clinton was a sex offender rock, but refuse to see Trump was worse, head shaking stuff seeing the pro Trump few if you consider what their view would have been had it been Obama who took that trip one foot firmly in his mouth from day one till the end

Hey Belly,
I think you meant to say 'unless you are a communist'; like yourself.

I showed you links the other day, Democrats are Communist party.
I can post the links again if you want.

Obama's real father Frank Marshall Davis was a member of the Communist Party. What do you think the fake birth certificate issue was really about? It wasn't to hide that Obama wasn't eligible to be President, it was to hide who his real father was, someone who had won a Stalin peace prize...

When Trump and Putin had the media conference in Helsinki, Putin mentioned William Browder. Browsers father Earl Browder was the head of the communist party in the USA.

Are you or are you not just another socialist / communist collaborator?
Another 'useful idiot' actually supporting a globalist communist elite agenda aka New World Order?

http://mobile.twitter.com/dashman76/status/1013177749157089280

Not sure what you meant at the end there, All the other past US leaders etc. have met with Putin and there was never any reaction like this.

And there's no evidence of anything.
It's all narrative and conjecture; to smear.

Mueller was one of the people who talked up the invasion of Iraq on total BS, and you believe what they say?

The left are Communists.

http://youtu.be/4MClPjBJGCM

Armchair Critic wrote in answer to the question:

Q: "Why does Trump go against his own intelligence agencies?"

A: "Because Brennan, Clapper and Comey can't be trusted?"

And former KGB operative and communist dictator Putin can?"

Armchair Critic then wrote:

"The Left are communists."

All the while he supports Trump who supports a former KGB operative
and communist dictator.

Go figure.

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/apr/16/labor-demands-charities-advocacy-be-exempted-from-foreign-donations-ban

Look at the slimy little weasel.
"We need Soros money to help us ruin the country"

Hi Foxy,
I guess you're still peeved at me.
You should know my comments really aren't personal.
There's millions of Aussies on my side of the argument and millions on yours.
Thinking it's just about you and me is stupid.

Don't be mad at me because I know facts that you are too lazy or biased to find out about yourself, that I know ethics and can also argue the flaws in others logic.

So Trump supports a communist dictator does he?
Do you know the USSR collapsed in '94?
Do you know the Russian Federation holds things called 'elections'?
Do you know Trump expelled 60 Russian diplomats in March?
But he's working for Putin.

The stuff you people come out with doesn't make sense do you know why?

You are the victims of propaganda, pushed agendas sold like advertising on emotion where they bank on you being so dumb you can't remember what happened 4mths ago.

Sad but True, don't blame me for you failure to become adequately informed.

Now after that, I hope you have an enjoyable weekend.

AC,

The United States Bill of Rights stands in protection of
the individual against the capriciousness and overwhelming
power of the state. Their Constitution has guaranteed the
individual certain fundamental rights and protections. Their
laws are based on the principle that law serves the individual,
not the state, and that state political interests cannot
outweigh the interests of the individual, who must stand in
law as a free man.

In contrast, V.I. Lenin made it clear that, in his political
philosophy, law has one primary goal: "A law is a political
measure, it is politics." No Soviet authority or communist
leader has abandoned this concept.

It has been applied in
the territories "liberated" by the Bolsheviks during the
October revolution. In the captive nations occupied by the
Red Army during World War II, and in the lands won by military
force or "wars of liberation" in Asia, Africa, the Far East,
and the Caribbean.

The American Revolution was fought to establish a man's right
to liberty and to restrain the power of his rulers. The
American Revolution thus created a concept of law which was,
and is, foreign to the system resulting from the Bolshevik
revolution in communist controlled lands. The distinction is
one between freedom, liberty, and the right to the pursuit
of happiness as opposed to the interest, control, and domination
of the state over the individual.

Lenin's perception of law
is so repulsive to the legal traditions of Western democracies,
that they have long been complacent in the belief that the
specter of Lenin's concept of law was confined to the sphere of
communist influence and control.

The conceptual differences between democratic legal traditions
and totalitarian communist systems which use law as a political
weapon are so great, that it is inconceivable that the two
systems would work for their mutual benefit in any matter
involving international political issues and human rights.

You claim that there are free elections - and that Russia
has changed today? How many dissidents and journalists and
politicians who oppose Putin
are still alive? And how successful are anti-government
demonstrations in Moscow?

Armchair critic, you have my thanks, you insulting rant saves me from ever having to consider anything you say as worthwhile,no one posting here is more anti communist than me,however like more than half of America I will not remain blind to Trumps very real danger to democracy, are you related?or just another he has conned?

Toni,

" Surely nobody needs more nukes than is required to entirely reduce the other side's country to molten glass?"

Absolutely agree. But that wasn't the point what was being made. The maintenance of these arsenals has a cost. For the US that cost is a rounding error in their defence budget. For Russia, with an economy smaller than Italy's, its a significant cost.

Hence, Russia would like to reduce their overall numbers but can't do it unilaterally without loss of face and/or perceived strategic power. Consequently Putin would like to negotiate a reduction in the overall numbers.

Now, if Trump were in Putin's pocket the way the TDS crowd claim, he'd facilitate those negotiations. Even the TDS crowd would find it hard to criticise that...well probably not. (When you have people like rache whose main form of argument is 'Trump is a fool because I said he's a fool and that proves he's a fool' then the actual facts no longer count).

That such negotiations aren't even mooted (should) be seen as another (of many) examples that Trump isn't in the least beholden to Putin. But that'd be tooooo logical for the TDS crowd.

Hi Foxy,
I respect that you have taken the time to write a lengthy response.
I must ask though, and don't take this the wrong way; do you think I am not aware

AC,

I've only got your posts to go on.

Yet more proof that Trump is completely obedient to Putin...

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/07/20/pentagon-announces-200m-in-military-support-for-ukraine-as-it-fights-russia/

Because Putin really really wants Ukraine to have a better military.

[Cont.]
Hi Foxy,
Sorry about that short response, I was using my smartphone to comment and accidentally posted my comment before I'd finished writing it.
Don't take this the wrong way; but do you assume I'm not aware of mostly everything you mentioned?

I knew everything you mentioned, except the quote from Lenin.

Do you think that because I'm on the right conservative 'racist bigot' side of things or that because I hold a different opinion to you that I must be unintelligent or uninformed or ignorant of things?

"Wars Of Liberation"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23A16mjojh8

"The conceptual differences between democratic legal traditions
and totalitarian communist systems which use law as a political
weapon are so great, that it is inconceivable that the two
systems would work for their mutual benefit in any matter
involving international political issues and human rights."

Let me ask you what do you think Ronald Reagan meant, when he said "If fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism"?

You mention the Bill of Rights, but you fail to mention the attack upon it.
How many of those amendments get routinely trampled upon nowadays?
- And I'm pretty sure that those documents were not so much a representation of the rights of citizens, as much as they were supposed to be about the limits of government.

"You claim that there are free elections - and that Russia has changed today? How many dissidents and journalists and politicians who oppose Putin are still alive? And how successful are anti-government
demonstrations in Moscow?"

To understand why Putin might act the way he does you first have to understand the "Regime Change Script", then you'll also understand that the so-called 'free and independent media' are an active part of that script.

And so, if the US or any other country wants to send its 5th column spies and journalists to deliberately undermine a nation and start civil wars for regime change, then I could care less if a journalist goes floating down the river face down.

Watch the videos, look what the US does.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNeqrTbkZmM

mhaze,

The US has given more than $1 billion to the Ukraine
since the Russian invasion in 2014. It has maintained
its hawkish stance on Russia. This recent money simply
highlights the disconnect between the US President's
rhetoric and his administration's policies.

The following link explains:

http://nordic.businessinsider.com/trump-defends-putin-bromance-while-mattis-works-to-arm-russian-foe-2018-7/

It is not news that Trump is in the news again today, and not news it is not good news for him again, both are daily events and still some find reason to defend him? again, pause, be honest, tell us what you would say if this news was about the great man Obama?

AC,

Western analysts do not consider Russia a democracy.
How could they? Putin controls all the media and
television outlets and any opposition is virtually
invisible. Human rights organisations and activists
have accused Putin of persecuting political critics
and activists as well as ordering them tortured or
assassinated.

The elections in Russia are in name only. In truth they
are a sham and a smokes-screen - designed to confer
democratic respectability on to a corrupt oligarchy.

For Russians accustomed to unaccountable rule from on
high, this is nothing new. More surprising is the supine
acquiescence, bordering on complicity from western
democracies.

I have nothing further to add.

Foxy,

Yes I get it. If the US does something that can be spun as helpful to Putin its proof that Putin owns Trump. If the US does something that is unhelpful to Putin, its proof that Putin owns Trump. And this is serious analysis!

Your link is headlined "As Trump continues to defend his Putin bromance". Is that another of those unbiased reports you happened to find on Google? Funny how you just google something and always, always find something to confirm what you want to be true.

no! focus! what if ANY Democratic POTUS acted as Trump has? support him if you must but do you understand just what type of a man he is?as we near the mid terms we may, just may, see him rejected by many more than those who supported him as he ranted his way around the hillbilly south

mhaze,

No. you don't get it at all.

Kindly do not put words into my mouth.
Read what I actually did say - not your own interpretation
of what you thought I said.

I do not Google media sources according
to my political inclinations. I would find that extremely
narrow and rigid and to be honest very slanted in outlook.

I search by subject (or issues). Therefore I do
not choose the link according to my/their political agenda-
for example -
like PJ Media, et al, that you presented recently - which
were all conservative media outlets.

The link I gave you in my previous post was taken from -
"The Business Insider," which is an American financial
business and news website which operates with editions in
various countries including the Netherlands. I found it
useful, because it presented the views of the Pentagon
and it referred to the disconnect between the US President's
rhetoric and his administration's policies that this recent
money from the Pentagon highlighted.

The article simply stated facts. However, I must admit
that it is hard to continue
a conversation with anyone when all they try to do is put
you down instead of addressing the issue at hand.

Hi Foxy,
"Western analysts do not consider Russia a democracy. How could they? Putin controls all the media and television outlets and any opposition is virtually invisible. Human rights organisations and activists have accused Putin of persecuting political critics and activists as well as ordering them tortured or assassinated."

That right there is where your ignorant and foolish.
Did I or did I not say 'first you must understand the regime change script'?
That the 'so called free and independent media is a part of that script'?

The Regime Change Script goes like this:

Step 1/ Fund civil-rights groups and stir up civil unrest. Get them to protest against the incumbent government including damage to public property and clashes with police and government officials.

- Force Government to respond, and have your own 5th column media report on it as well -

Step 2. Create a situation where you can deliberately and with bias report the government's actions in a bad light, with the specific aim of forcing the government to act against that media organisation.

Step 3.
Once government has moved against the so-called 'free and independent media', they will lose more legitimacy, can be labelled a 'regime' and western media will also report on it, giving the protesters and that 'evil regime' international coverage.

It's a school play.

There's ways you can modify or build on it, like 'open borders' - If we don't have protestors import them, they will vote for your team, and 'accuse government of corruption and mistreatment of citizens'

- socialist policies and gripes of the left -

Your 'democracy' is a recipe to have back-doors built-in that allow the nation to be subverted and undermined by foreigners.

You serve elites and their plans for One World Government.

Putin's democracy is one where he has closed those back-doors, 'foolproofed' one might say and protects his nation and people from the absolute carnage that the US routinely inflicts on other nations.

In Putin's Annual Q&A session, regular citizens call in and discuss issues with the nations leader.
Do we have this? Why not?
http://youtu.be/JFyfu9um_Ts

Trump's former lawyer, once the apple of Trump's eye it seems is yet another who has fallen in the great buffoons bad books, by recording him admitting he needed to pay off yet another female, again if this was about Obama we would see a shark feeding frenzy against the very thing Trump's supporters are defending here life can be fun

Once again, the real fools prove to be Belly and his cohort of lefty idiots.

AC,

Please do not address any more posts to me.

I will not be reading or responding to them.

I suspect that you're a Russian troll.

AC,

You continue to address as many posts to Mother Russia as you wish to. If you look through her list of rantings you will find her lecture to me on how she will do as she pleases. She spits the dummy every time anyone betters her. The next thing will be her whining about how she is thinking of leaving OLO. We should be so lucky! You can see and hear her brand of shrieking on the ABC any day of the week. I only read her snarl at you because it was uncharacteristically much shorter than her usual Google diatribes, interspersed with takles of mummy and nursing homes.

Foxy,

If you think an article that begins "As Trump continues to defend his Putin bromance" is going to give you an unbiased appraisal of something then that's on you.

The funny thing is that one article I saw on this opined that the anti-Trumpers would find it hard to spin the Ukrainian payment as not showing that Trump isn't pro-Putin. But the problem is that that assumes that these people look at it rationally. But suffering TDS means that rationality has long since exited the room. The notion that this Ukrainian support comes from Mattis against the wishes of Trump is just utterly bonkers. But bonkers and TDS go hand in hand.

AC,

You missed a step in your "Regime Change Script" - first start with a country where the people are oppressed and economically depressed.

You are wrong about Russia being a democracy. It isn't and never was, at least not in the sense of having free and fair elections the way we understand them. There was never a free press.

But the Russians are fine with that. Their national character seeks strong authoritarian leaders and has as far back as Rurik and Oleg. When Stalin died, Russians wept. Putin is a Tsar but has to play at being popularly elected for the sake of appearances. But whenever his authority is in the least bit challenged he acts in ways that Peter and Catherine (the greats) would have completely understood and applauded.

Thankfully though Russia is a spent force and continues its economic decline. The only reason it still matters is because the Democrats want to use it to justify their tantrum over loosing the election. The West's real foe over the net decade or three is China. Russia is a side-show.

ttbn,

I did not tell AC what to do.

All I asked was for him not to address any posts
to me as I won't be responding to them or reading
them.

Your attack on me is unwarranted and quite nasty.
Especially bringing up my mother who passed away
in January this year. That's low even for you.
You really are a toxic little man.

If these lefty fools had a modicum of intelligence and realised which side their bread is buttered on, they would be concerning themselves with really bad leaders like Xi Jinping, Recep Erdogan, the Saudi royal family, the South African parliament, all the dictators of the African continent, and so on. They could busy themselves with our own PM and Opposition Leader who are doing so much damage to their own country. There is also Teresa May and Angela Merkel, and the juvenile idiot in Canada - all doing their best to sell out the West.

But, no. They have to bad mouth a man who has refreshed tired old politics and made huge strides for his own country and the world. They are the real ‘traitors’ and ‘fools’.

how did some of us go from reds under the beds screamers to supporters of a man clearly too close to Russia? what would become of the west if no one said no to Putin?China? well at least some of us are concerned at the B grade Movie we know as America and its F grade leader who plays to his bib and brace overalls gumboot wearing Christian right supporters tomorrow as it is every day he will upset someone say he never said what he clearly did, and if he was say Clinton the reds under the beds side would scream in deep pain at him

Well I suppose I should apologise for calling you a Communist Belly,
I don't actually think you're one, and it is your thread as well;
I went too far stirring you up.

But all you bloody leftists stir me up too when you sell our the country out, and then whine about about Trump.

I'm sorry I called you a communist, that wasn't right;
But as long as you go along with all this feelgood progressive bs and support the ALP, I will consider you a collaborator in ruining the country.

Your lot defends Soros and his causes and takes his money, I can't give that a free pass.

Hi Foxy,
Well I'm sorry that you're offended, but if you understood the points I was trying to make, then you'd understand that I'm not specifically having a go at you.
I argue the pro's and con's of what you say on its own merits.

Regarding your request that I not respond to your comments;
I would not want anyone to feel victimised by my comments, and also I wouldn't want anyone to feel as though they can't have their comment in the first place for fear of being harassed.

But that said, if you to put your thoughts and opinions out into the big world of ideas they have to stand up to criticism.

If I was to self-censor my responses to you because you claimed harassment; then it would allow your opinions and ideas to be more easily spread without the merits of such ideas being challenged, would it not?

I've got to stand up for my country and what I believe in.
A wise person would see both sides.

I suppose these days its common for progressive's to back out of losing arguments without losing face by claiming harassment, when your arguments are shown to be flawed and not hold merit.

Once again, ethics...

ArmChair Critic my thanks and yes true respect, your insults are no offense to me and you point is well made, see I like our resident green Paul, he is a good bloke, but think his party is harmful to the non Conservative side, both our partys.like it or not post ww2 did have in part socialist policies, a base or safety net, it seems so much better than the uncaring American one, but only after a massive and long lasting financial crash would any purely socialist party win government here, lighter side I get the feeling if I was in the USA and ordered a white Russian I may be served Trump instead
Foxy, your advice to me about the resident troll was good advice please consider

AC,

Well said. You clearly have more patience with idiots than I do. If they don’t like your criticisms and comments, they should keep their thoughts private. You are always polite, and anybody who objects to your responses simple does not believe in free speech for anyone except themselves.

“I suppose these days its common for progressive's to back out of losing arguments without losing face by claiming harassment, when your arguments are shown to be flawed and not hold merit”.

Never a truer word …. That’s exactly what the person in question always does.

Belly does present as communistic, and therefore you are entitled to refer to him as a communist; the description is no different from socialist. The two are the same. It would be unfair to call him a Communist, though, unless you knew he was a card carrier of the Communist Party, which he probably is not. So, best not to the captilise the 'c'.

Dear Belly,

Glad to see that you're focused on solving the
problems. Stay focused.

Yes Foxy, Trump over night it is said has had, or said he had, a Russian in his camp, many think he is letting the pressure off, leaking stuff like the news that tape exists, to take the pressure off now rather than when it came out via the current investigation, Donald seems to without much effort, fool so many that questions them as much as him

Belly is "focused on solving the problems"? Oh, the delusions of an illiterate road worker and a frustrated housewife! It's good that anonymous nobodys can express their opinions, but when they start thinking that they have any power to change things you know that they are completely out of touch with reality.

ttbn,

If you don't like our opinion of you,
you can always improve. :)

Dear Belly,

Donald Trump must love poor people, because he's
creating so many more of them. Also he's the only
US President we know who it can be said of him that
his Achilles heel is in his mouth.

" because he's creating so many more of them."

Evidence?

"If you don't like our opinion of you,
you can always improve. :)"

Who said anything about your irrelevant opinion of me? I pointed out how stupid you and Belly are to think you have any influence on anyone or anything. You really gave lost the plot. I don't give a fig for your opinion of me. Talk about trolls, you ridiculous woman.

ttbn,

Do try to fix your posts old chap so that they
don't leave behind a trail of slime.

You're coming across like a real centaur.
Part old man, part horse's ass.

Not a good look.

Good Morning mhaze,

You asked for evidence.

There's plenty on the web.

Here's just two:

http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-tariffs-trade-jobs-loss-961988

http://globalnews.ca/news/4340735/trump-tariffs-vehicles-prices-soar-wipe-jobs-report/

cont'd ...

Sorry for the typo. Here's the first link again:

http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-tariffs-trade-job-loss-961988

Trumps major opponents continue their hatred largely because they themselves have been shown to be total fools.

runner,

You should not blame the major companies and the
economists - in the US.
They don't hate the US President - they're merely
telling Trump the economic damage his actions
will cause to the country. You also have to realise
that criticism of someone does not equate to "hatred."

better to remain silent Foxy than to sprout such nonsense.

Foxy all the economists & other swamp dwellers have been telling Trump he could not win, could not sort out most of Obamas stuff ups, intentional & accidental, & could not do any of the things he has done, like cut illegal immigration for over a year. They have been wrong almost every time.

I think perhaps they need to shut up, & stop telling him what he can't do, as each time he proves them wrong, they look more stupid, so when if ever they are actually right, & he needs some guidance or help, he & his lot will be much less likely to listen.

As I mentioned in another thread, the parable of the boy who cried wolf really does apply. The more they shout & scream, the less relevant to the US, Trump & the world they become.

Yes everyone will fail, or get it wrong at times, even Trump, but being proven wrong every time they open their mouths leads to irrelevancy.

Dear Armchair Critic,

Mate you really do look like a rambling fool sometimes banging on about Soros.

Here is a list of the world's billionaires;

http://www.forbes.com/billionaires/list/5/#version:static

Soros is listed at 190th position.

Gina Reinhart on the other hand is pegged at 69th and has been recently revealed as the major secret donor to the IPA, an avowedly anti-climate change Australian think tank.

You have someone under your nose spending millions upon millions of dollars to alter public thinking to line their own pockets yet you keep bleating on about Soros.

I'm fine with you being a conspiracy theorist because you lot can sometimes make connections that have some currency, but you really need to get off your bloody arse and do it properly.

Foxy,

I really can't tell if this is all too complex for you or if you really don't care how silly you look as long as you can continue to exhibit your TDS.

So here we find you asserting that Trump IS creating more poor people and offering evidence of that some articles that assert that Trump's policies, if they are implemented, might, perhaps sometime somewhere in the FUTURE create some unemployment in some industries. Any possibility that those maybe perhaps job losses will be made up for elsewhere?

And then one of your pieces of 'evidence' (such as it is) is what'll happen IF the car tariffs are implmeneted. Are you aware that recently, the EU has offered to reduce their car tariffs as a result of the Trump threats. Lower EU tariffs means more US exports to EU which means more US car jobs. But let's ignore that because we don't want to see anything, absolutely anything, positive about Trump's policies, right?

BTW, since the EU already has car tariffs to reduce, that must mean that they've been suffering job losses for ages. I bet you're really angry at that nasty Frau Merkel for trying to create so many poor people via tariffs, or doesn't your logic (such as it is) work that way?

But if the basis of your assertion that Trump is creating more poor because of job losses, then you can calm down because, rather than loosing jobs, Trump's US is creating them at unforeseen rates...

http://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/01/upshot/we-ran-out-of-words-to-describe-how-good-the-jobs-numbers-are.html

"We Ran Out of Words to Describe How Good the Jobs Numbers Are". And that's from the Trump-hating NYT. Imagine what the unbiased press is saying. You should appraise yourself of the unbiased press one day.

So less poor people, not more. I bet you're relieved to hear that.

mhaze,

You really are being obtuse.

I did suggest to you that there's plenty of information on
the web that you could Google. You would have found sources
that would have given you all the evidence you asked me for.
Sources such as The Tax Foundation (a Washington Think Tank)
whose modelling shows the impacts of Trump's tariffs (proposed
and implemented). Wikipedia also has done an economic and
trade analysis on the tariffs that you could have found
for yourself.

Then there's also Philip Alston's (expert on extreme poverty)
report about how poverty in the US is extensive and is
deepening under the Trump administration - whose policies seem
aimed at removing the safety net from millions of poor people.
How Trump's policies harm the poor and reward the rich (nothing
new there).

Anyway, if you really want evidence - I'm sure that you're more
than capable of finding it for yourself. I've pointed you in the
right direction.

Foxy no doubt you already know but sometimes knowing far more than your opponent is no advantage, if they do not understand they are wrong, Trump even in America PTY LTD a shadow of what it once proudly told us it was, has 42 percent who are happy with him, I doubt solid evidence and facts would turn their heads either

Foxy,

It just gets worse, doesn't it.

You make an outlandish claim. I aks for evidence which you can't provide and then suggest that if I look then I'll find the evidence to 'prove' YOUR point.

Well Foxy I doubt it, because the evidence to 'prove' your point doesn't exist no matter how much you wished it did.

Now you're alluding to the Alston report for support. But that's the report that sought to prove how bad Trump was by using data from the Obama era. But in fairyland, Obama couldn't have been at fault so it must have been Trump's policies working retroactively ...or something.

So Foxy no reaction to the improving jobs data?

No comment on how many poor people Frau Merkel created by having tariffs on German cars?

I thought not.

Dear Hasbeen,

Trump can most certainly get it wrong as he did with his EPA pick Pruitt, a man you thought so highly of.

“The Trump White House has moved quickly to force out a trio of staffers loyal to former, scandal-plagued Environmental Protection Agency chief Scott Pruitt, according to multiple sources familiar with the situation. One administration source described it as a “purge” of Pruitt loyalists that was orchestrated by a White House staff that had, for months, clashed with the ex-administrator and his team over ethical lapses and lavish personal spending and travel.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/john-kelly-signed-off-on-a-purge-of-scott-pruitt-loyalists-from-epa

This bloke went so far off the reservation for even Trump's team to put up with, but there you were, defending him to the hilt, singing his praises to all who would listen.

What are we to make of your judgment when you can get this so bloody wrong? When you swoon over a swamp dweller like Pruitt?

Embarrassing. It certainly makes you and Trump look pretty stupid.

Dear mhaze,

While it certainly is heartening to see a lift, albeit modest, in manufacturing jobs I think it is pretty fanciful to think they were because of recent tariffs.

The biggest factor attributed to the increase was the lower US dollar making goods made in the US cheaper for export. The US remains the largest producer of manufactured goods in the world. Obama strengthened the US Dollar on the index and it was the highest it had been for a decade.

When Trump took power it dove below 100 within a few months from a high of 103. It now sits at 99 but had been as low as 95.
https://www.macrotrends.net/1329/us-dollar-index-historical-chart

Trump recently said it was too high which forced a correction. He knows that a strong dollar impacts exports but one of his big beefs with China is that they kept their currency artificially low. It will be interesting to see which inventive methods his administration employs to keep it low.

"While it certainly is heartening to see a lift, albeit modest, in manufacturing jobs I think it is pretty fanciful to think they were because of recent tariffs."

I agree, which is why I never said it

Trump's valiant efforts to start ww3 on display with yet another midnight big mac fueled rant again Iran, may only be to take eyes off his ex lawyer seems 12 taped conversations exist and are in the hands of investigators

Hey SteeleRedux,
"Mate you really do look like a rambling fool sometimes banging on about Soros."

- Well it's for a good cause and he genuinely deserves the criticism -
But alright, fair enough... point taken.

I was actually thinking yesterday about philanthropy.
Whether some could be considered positive philanthropy and whether some could be considered negative philanthropy.
- Like the difference between doing something good for the sake of doing something good, or doing something good for more sinister motives...
It was just a thought.

"Gina Reinhart on the other hand is pegged at 69th and has been recently revealed as the major secret donor to the IPA, an avowedly anti-climate change Australian think tank."

Can't argue with you, you're right.
I do need to pay more attention to what goes on at home.

I was never political.
I started watching a few Infowars documentaries a decade ago or more back when someone who was visiting showed them to me, and then my interests in this 'genre' kind of slowly swayed towards geopolitics.

My knowledge of foreign issues are far better than my knowledge of things going on here, I'm sorry to say.

But you're absolutely right.

as promised yesterday the Russian tool Trump is in the news again, please explain? how did a Republican from its very right, ever pal up with Putin?

Dear Armchair Critic,

Thank you for reflecting on my post. After reading it again I will accept my language could have been more moderate.

I look forward to you casting your eye over some of the collusions that occur, bereft of public scrutin,y in this country, often to the deep detriment of ordinary Australians.

Belly

I would of thought that unionist had far more in common with Russia than Trump. Quite ironic that someone involved so much with marxist now complain about Trump. I find your comments hilarous.

runner,

Shows how much you really know.

Western analysts do not consider Russia a democracy
Human rights organisations and activists have accused
Putin of persecuting political critics and activists
(Trump fires them) as well as ordering them tortured
or assassinated.

Russia holds elections in name only. In truth they are
a sham and a smokescreen - designed to confer
democratic respectability on to a corrupt oligarchy.
For Russians accustomed to unaccountable rule from on
high, this is nothing new - more surprising is the
supine acquiescence, bordering on complicity from
western democracies - especially the US under Trump.

Oh Foxy now we can see how Obama/Hilary were so cosy with Russia.

runner,

Stay focused.

Try again.

runner you could not surely believe that? how will you handle the fall of Putin's fool Trump?

'how will you handle the fall of Putin's fool Trump?'

actually Belly personally, I could not care to much about Trump. He has however given so much pleasure in being the first pollie for generations to do what he said he would do. Watching the absolute childishness and tantrums of the regressives has been hilarous. Your idiotic statements are nothing compared with the Hilary marxist dummy spitters who have been exposed for what they are. Even if Trump was to go today he will be remembered for doing more good in a year than 8 years of Obama. It certainly will be nice if he hangs around to drain the sewer some more. Maybe with record African/American employment, the recognition of Jerusalum as being the capital of Israel and cutting funding to Planned parenthood who make money from slicing up babies and selling parts a few people with a heart and conscience might vote him back in.

I saw a few days back they were rumours about giving Podesta immunity for testifying in the Russia Collusion bs story.

I look at all and try to step back and I honestly cant help thinking this whole thing is one giant bs story, for no other purpose but to create a situation where all of the co-conspirators to Hillary's crimes get immunity.

To be a traitor you need to have conviction of principle, so that lets Trump off the hook.
The only conviction Trump need be concerned about is if he gets found out, but given the numbers of sycophants around him he has little to worry about.
Make no mistake, this is Trump's greatest business opportunity, the deal of a lifetime, and it has little to do with making America great, especially as the US is only a part of the Americas.

I watched former US Secretary of State Madeline Albright
on the 7.30 Report the other evening - and she described
US President Donald Trump as the "Most Undemocratic President"
of all time. What worried her was his attitude towards
freedom of Speech, the role of the media and his total disregard
for the Institutions of the country. That worried her a great
deal - because those were all the signs of a demagogue. A dictator.
He fires people who dare to criticise him, surrounds himself with
"yes" men. And most recently he is reviewing security clearances
of some very valuable staff members who dared to speak out.

It is a concern.

As things stand I'm almost certain Trump will win the mid-terms.
At this point it would take some kind of huge scandal or event (don't count that out) for him to lose, in my opinion.

It is my honestly held view Trump is a danger to this world, but too that he warns us America is in very real trouble, the selection of Hillary to run against him, the Bush attempt at handing the POTUS down like a family crown warns me at least that the lack of interest in politics in that country has come close to terminal, hence Trump, if both parties can not learn and change using Trump and his ranting lies as a starting point America is in a never ending decline no evidence exists that the Democrats have learned anything, for the world sake I hope they have

AC post mid terms I will be reminding you of that

Foxy,

Ah Ms Albright. A failed Secretary of State under Clinton. The woman who thought all women should be compelled to vote for Hillary.

Another of your unbiased sources?

"He fires people who dare to criticise him, surrounds himself with
"yes" men"

This interview with Nikki Halley might help your understanding...

http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/politics/2018/july/lsquo-we-don-rsquo-t-trust-russia-nikki-haley-lowers-the-boom-on-putin-puts-iran-on-notice

"“I can tell you, I met with the president this morning for an hour," she told CBN News. "There were some things that he may have liked what I said and some things that he may not have liked what I said. But he asked me what my thoughts are and I tell him the truth but I tell him in private.”

Haley says with President Trump it’s been an open courteous communication process.

“Regardless of whether I say something he likes or not, he’s respectful, he listens to it and we have a conversation about it. And that’s what everyone should want in their president is someone willing to hear the bad news,” she said."

______________________________________________________
"And most recently he is reviewing security clearances
of some very valuable staff members who dared to speak out. "

That's wrong. I'll leave to find out why and then ponder the value of your sources.

Donald Duck, sorry freudian slip Trump has announced support for the farmers his trade war is hurting,Socialism in a country that can not house treat its returned service men and women?

mhaze,

A debate can't take place when there's a big gap between the
participants.

I stopped reading your post after your comment on Madeline
Albright.

mhaze,

Well, I went back and read your post - just to be fair.

All I've got to add is that there's nothing unique about
a subordinate defending her boss, especially if she's
asked about the despicable President she serves by the
media.

Nothing wrong with defending your boss, however Trump's defense of his Putin,, is well subject to much review even in Trump's own party, seems he has been taking gifts at his business HQ clearly against the law and under investigation.

"there's nothing unique about
a subordinate defending her boss"

Agreed. Haley's comments on Trump need to be taken with a grain of salt since she clearly has some bias.

But why is it that you think Albright's comment are valid when, given her very clear bias and hatred for all things Trump, they ought to be taken with the same measure of salt?

Do you not see your own bias there?

mhaze,

What the former US Secretary of State has expressed was
her concerns for Donald Trump's actions regarding
freedom of speech, the role of the media and his disregard
for American Institutions, this among other things, worried
her. She spoke from her vast experience in politics. She is
now retired, so she's in a position to remark on what's
currently happening in her country. She can be brutally
honest without any fear of losing her job. So I'm not sure
about any bias. But aren't we all biased to some degree?
I found her commentary on the 7.30 Report useful.

"So I'm not sure about any bias. "

Wow. The woman was anti-Trump from the get-go. She's been consistently anti-Republican for 30yrs. She came out during the election as so pro-Hilary that she said women should be compelled to vote for her.

Yet you see no bias!

"But aren't we all biased to some degree?"

Yes. But the trick is recognising it in ourselves and in others. Failure to do either will lead to error and bewilderment when things don't turn out as expected. Those failures are the root cause of the rage about Trump's election and successes. So many failed to see their own bias against Trump to recognise his support elsewhere and were then outraged when denial of the existence of that support was no longer possible. And their bias has blinded them to the successes of the past 18 months.

"I found her commentary on the 7.30 Report useful."

Might I suggest you found it confirmatory...one being easily mistaken for the other.

mhaze,

Sorry, I don't buy it.

The woman is an experienced politician. And she knows of
what she speaks. As for her being anti-Trump - most
thinking Americans are. They know the man - and his actions
speak for themselves. Trump did not win the popular vote
after all. BTW: The lady was very careful with what she
said on the 7.30 Report. She merely expressed her concerns.
And we should all be concerned because the damage that
man is doing - will take years (make it decades) to fix.
And if that makes me biased? That's because his actions
leave me no other choice.

The man's a systematic liar, and a beggarly cheat, a
swindler. A gutless wonder - and I'm truly surprised he's
been allowed to remain in office. Only in America. And of
course Russia.

Like I said...confirmation bias.

Like I said - knowledge and lived experience counts
for a great deal - as long as we learn from it.

In the end, if sanity is to win out, Trump by his manic behavior may well be the reason both sides of American politics are improved big time, after all it is hardly possible they can get worse than him.

"The man's a systematic liar, and a beggarly cheat, a
swindler. A gutless wonder - and I'm truly surprised he's
been allowed to remain in office. Only in America. And of
course Russia."

Unbiased?

mhaze,

Those are not my assessments.

Those are the undeniable facts. And they are on record
in printed form.

I suggest you get hold of the book - "The Dangerous Case
of Donald Trump," it's quite educational. Psychiatrists
and medical professionals explain how Trump is a narcissist
who mixes lies with delusion, slanders freely and moment to
moment must have the spotlight turned on him undercutting
his Secretary of State and potentially dragging the world
into war in service of his ever faltering self-esteem.

They warn that the US needs to do what it can to protect
what they have in an era of vulnerability as a deranged
leader tears at the fabric of the US nation in service of
his emotional needs. And we're told that it can only get worse.

Trump's presidency is a threat to the US, their freedoms and
values are in danger. Madeline Albright is equally concerned
as are other rational Americans, many within his own party.
But this is all a communist plot - right?
Ah, wait... Putin's his friend so that can't be right, or
can it?

4.1 percent! Putin/Trumps economy grew by that much! as people flocked to import and export before the trade war begins.
how low will that figure fall in say six months?

Foxy,

"The American Psychiatric Association’s Code of Ethics, Section 7.3—the so-called “Goldwater rule.” It says: “[I]t is unethical for a psychiatrist to offer a professional opinion [on a public figure] unless he or she has conducted an examination and has been granted proper authorization.”

A book written by a psychiatrist who ignores the code of ethics of the profession tells us how bad Trump is. And you think its valid.

Its just pathetic.

Trumps is "potentially dragging the world into war". Except he hasn't.

Trump's gunna destroy the economy. Except he hasn't.

Trump's gunna start a trade war. Except he hasn't.

Its all Trump Derangement Syndrome and there's no cure.

mhaze,

I have no way of knowing what sort of games you're playing
but I would have thought that you would have Googled
information about the book - being the presumed intelligent
person that one assumes you are. You then would have
come across the following explanation:

"Since the start of Trump's presidential run, one question
has permeated the observations of concerned citizens. What is
wrong with him?"

"Constrained by the APA's Goldwater rule, which inhibits
mental health professionals from diagnosing public figures
they have not personally examined, many of those qualified to
answer this question have shied away from discussing the issue
at all."

"In the "Dangerous Case of Donald Trump," mental health experts
(27 psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts) argue that in
Trump's case their moral and civic duty to warn America
supersedes professional neutrality."

"Philips Zimbardo and
Rosemary Sword, for instance, explain Trump's impulsivity in
terms of unbridled and extreme present hedonism. Craig Malkin
writes on pathological narcissism. Gail Sheehy, on a lack of
trust that exceeds paranoia. Lance Dodes, on sociopathy.
Robert Jay Lifton, on the malignant normality that can set in
everyday life if psychiatrists do not speak up."

"His madness is catching, too. From the trauma people have
experienced under the Trump Administration to the cult-like
characteristics of his followers, he has created unprecedented
mental health consequences across our nation and beyond.
It's not all in our heads. It's in his."

Yes Foxy that's what I said. You are relying on people who are prepared, even anxious, to breach their own profession's ethical standards in order to tell you how unethical Trump is. Projection in spades.

Do you know why there is a Goldwater Rule? "Because...it is impossible to accurately evaluate people one has not personally examined."

But these unethical psychiatrists, for no better reason than they, like you, suffer TDS, are prepared to do anything, and deceive anyone, to further their political aims ie reversal of the election results.

If you had any historic knowledge and/or memory, you'd realise that every Republican candidate is treated this way. The Goldwater rule is named for the Republican candidate in 1964.

But,even though these same tactics are used against all those on the right, Trump is a special case and has suffered special attacks because he is an existential threat to the Democrat power base. And the more successful he becomes, the more successes he has, the more deranged they become because their self-perception as the nation's natural leaders becomes increasingly unattainable.

But they still have a willing audience of those who not only are deceived by their unethical practices, but want to be deceived.

mhaze,

You should actually read the book and the reviews.
Before you make your judgements.

BTW: I am very familiar with American politics. We worked
and lived in the US for close to ten years. My children
were born there. And I am more than familiar with the
political parties and with their elections.
I worked in a Reference Department of
a large private university and had dealings not only the
Library of Congress but many of the Institutions of
Learning throughout the country.

cont'd ...

Oooops, I forgot to add the word "Library" to the
fact that I worked in a
Reference Department of a large private university
Library.

My apologies

mhaze,

You should have a read of this:

http://time.com/4872558/donald-trum-goldwater-rule/

Trump is a symptom, of redneck fear of refugees, other races, of the world taking a step toward one humanity, he too knows his support base, mostly do not have a clue about politics, never ever thought about the impacts of trade war on the planet,he is a symptom of the worst in humanity, America by it crazed electoral system, its belief that personalities make good leaders put Trump in power hides his sexual exploits, forgives even denies his refusal to put his tax history on display, Trump is symptom of an America that has lost its way and may never find it again

Foxy,

I warrant that you can find any number of articles telling you what you want to hear. But just remember that these people are all acting unethically and against the judgement of their own professional association that diagnosis from afar is not possible and and in violation of their rules.

Trump derangement syndrome, just like Bush derangement syndrome before it, permeates the anti-democratic part of society that believes that only those they support should be allowed to win elections. That you find this acceptable is unsurprising.

Speaking of diagnosing from afar, some psychiartists are finding that TDS is indeed an issue...

http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-ln-trump-therapists-20170223-story.html

Its all very sad, while being, perversely, pretty damn funny.

Meanwhile, just to prove what a warmonger Trump is...

http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/taliban-in-peace-talks-with-us-in-afghanistan/news-story/0aaa3a2f986f93f62a68db0448a66e6c

And to prove he's Putin's puppet....

http://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/25/politics/pompeo-us-crimea-russia/index.html

But what've the facts got to do with it, eh Foxy?

mhaze,

Facts are open to interpretations as we continue to
see in our discussions. In the present case - when
the mental health of one man can have such a
profound impact on the world it is irresponsible to
not at least have the conversation about his mental
capacities and the American Psychoanalytic Association
is directing its members to speak out. They are taking
the muzzles off its members. The Goldwater Rule has
for many years been seen as an outdated rule.
Articles in Psychology Today, Time , and many other sources
confirms this.

This is not about Democrats versus Republicans, this is
about the mental health of the US President. When
medical health professionals are concerned, as well
as members of the US President's own Party and others who
have worked for him are expressing their concerns they
should not be brushed aside.

In any case - I have no wish to continue this argument - with you.
I have nothing further to add to this topic.

Well we all got our views across and in truth will revisit this subject in other threads often, if I put my bias aside, I would be a Democrat if I lived in America, I truly think Trump and the tea party right, are a threat to America and the world, too that any country that both imports cheap labour from a country and build walls to keep them out? is confused,racism, dreadful lynching African Americans, forcibly imported against their will, to be used as free labour, is inhuman,police looking and acting like paramilitary thugs? I hope, America will get back on track, but such is that country's voters inability to think about the whole picture it may never happen, Trumps downfall however will come