o sung wu & Foxy,
The way I see all this is, that were it not for PC this wouldn't even be an issue. Yes,Lleyonhjelm should have exercised more self control but so should have SHY. One thing is for sure , she's not exactly a lady is she ?
SHY (no not shy) has been playing the victim game by being actually the aggressor in a very insidious manner. Leyonhjelm would not have gone off like that had not SHY challenged him so insidiously. By insidious I mean the standard Leftist tactic of planting the seed but not being prepared to harvest the crop.
Until she can disprove what he claims she said I can only go by her unconvincing acting which makes her look anything but innocent.
I just wished people would not be allowed in such public office with the kind of mentality most authorities in Australia are presently displaying. This, unfortunately is the outcome of watered-down higher education policies encouraged over the past decades. With smarter & more intelligent people the Leyohjelm SHY issue would not have occurred in the first place.

It seems we are living in a world that loves to blame the victim and reacts against "political correctness" by going to extremes.

Hanson-Young still has a long way to go before she even gets near the personal abuse showered on Gillard by the ultra-conservative forces amd the media in our country so perhaps she shouldn't complain too loudly as there is surely more to come her way.

Even the pussy-grabbing President of the USA no longer considers international treaties and agreements seriously and has been withdrawing from everything he wants(except Stormy Daniels), so what can we depend on anymore?

Perhaps some men feel threatened by the #MeToo movement and are lashing out, but meanwhile women are still being murdered as a result of domestic abuse.

The Royal Commission on Institutionalised Child Abuse has revealed that despite all their hype, many once-respected organisations can no longer be trusted so who really need standards of decency anymore?

rache said- "we are living in a world that loves to blame the victim"

Answer- We are all victims in different circumstances. Most things aren't easy to fix- doesn't mean that we don't try but it's important that the cure isn't worse than the disease. You could argue that people are dying and you cannot put a price on life. You can probably put a price on life by comparing it to the time other lives need to spend to fix the issue.

rache said- Perhaps some men feel threatened by the #MeToo movement and are lashing out

Answer- The #MeToo movement says that all men are responsible for a rape culture- basically all men are rapists. "MeToo" feminists are threatening men therefore men feel they need to defend themselves. Even Kaley Cuoco "is not really a feminist" got attacked for her comments.

rache said- women are still being murdered (by) domestic abuse.

Answer- Murder is a crime and those that commit crimes are convicted. Where ever there is a difference of power between two people there will be abuse of power. In some families- abusive mothers. Men generally taller than women and physically stronger. In court women generally have the advantage. Someone else said it takes two hands to clap- in many arguments both sides act aggressively. For someone to go as far as to murder they must feel trapped- they know they'll be caught. Humans are animals when threatened- flight or fight- can't run there is only one option. There are too many people in the world- if there were less people would be more valued- and more effort would be taken to nurture them. In this age relationships are fraught with pitfalls- I wouldn't recommend young especially males to pair bond. There are other less risky ways to satisfy our immediate human needs. Maybe men should go on "marriage and sex strike" (suffrigettes) until policies are changed. But these "Me Too" women of course would say that "we are not men". Why should men care what these Me Too Women say anyway- except when they threaten us.

Hi o sung wu,

I know your bias against the Greens, and you have every right to be. I don't know SHY at all, but in general politicians I have met of all persuasions, along with most serious contenders are to me above average when it comes to intelligence.
I have during many campaigns in the past acted as an "adviser" or "minder" for a candidate. It has only been on the very rear occasions that I have had to step in to save someone from public abuse. The worse I can recall was two blokes, unleashed a tiered of abuse against a female candidate one morning while street campaigning. There beef was over a perceived Greens anti Israel stance, their language was loud and disgusting, the woman was at the point of tears. I suspected they would have not got so extreme if the person was a man they were abusing.
Generally and surprisingly, people of all parties become rather friendly during these campaigns. Doing pre-poll sucks, hours of little to do at times, if the Liberal bloke goes to shout the coffee, and they do, I'll hand out his HTV's while he's away. If your there late at 6pm and the opposition wants to go early, I'll put away his stuff for him, don't want it left on the street, otherwise it wont be there the next morning. Election after election you see the same people.
I have always told candidates, "You need a thick hide in this game."

A good mate I've known for 50 yeats and Labor councillor I would have a few jokes with like; "How's your uncle Eddie (Obeid) going, any free footy tickets coming our way?" Answer "Nah I wish! are you still living in a tree and eating sap, organic of course!". "Nah, I've gone up market now, and moved into a cave, I'm eating dead whales these days."

G'day PAUL1405...

Not quite true my friend; as I've mentioned in the past I was a strong supporter of the 'Greens' and probably still would be, if they'd adhered to their original agenda. Caring for our natural habitats, our native animals, forests etc.

Don't get me wrong Paul, I'm no 'tree hugger' far from it. But having visited Muir Woods near SFO in the USA, and had seen the massive 'Redwoods' and had it explained to me what the 'rings' meant when you fell a large tree, I just couldn't in good conscience, permit the wanton destruction of such historic forests, or native animals (Tassy Tiger driven into extinction)as an example.

Paul, the problem arose when they decided to move away from their traditional green politics, and enter the 'hurley burley' of traditional politics. Worse, was to allow someone like Ms Sarah HANSEN-YOUNG to articulate many of the Green's policies, I think even you would agree with that.

There's no doubt David LEYONHJELM & Sarah HANSEN_YOUNG make a fine pair, what he said to her was wrong - nevertheless she herself is not without sin, either mate.

Given the vitriol heaped on Tony Abbott by the left whingers both Juliar and SHY got off lightly.

As for the vulgarity of Leyonhjelm, given the misandry of the interjection by SHY, a lawsuit has little prospect of success and gives Leyonhjelm a good opportunity to cross-examine her

Considering that this thread started out with the persecution of Sonia Kruger for speaking her mind using the blunt instrument 18c, this thread has digressed more than a bit.

However, it appears to be OK to label all men as rapists, but a slur on someones sexuality is not.