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Posted by JF Aus, Wednesday, 30 May 2018 9:30:26 PM
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Someone up above just delivered this news into my smartphone :
http://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20180529/international-coral-study-links-pollution-to-decline-in-coral-health Posted by JF Aus, Thursday, 31 May 2018 9:00:03 AM
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The latest idea for the ABC is 'give it away' to anyone who wants it - staff, 'friends of', etc. Any takers would have to seek ways to fund the thing just like the commercial networks. The spendthrift Turnbull government obviously has enough of other peoples' money to write off the billions of dollars pumped into employing dead-heads and bigots, so why not.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 31 May 2018 11:47:21 AM
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for the abc to take up a cause it must fit the marxist narrative or the gw lie.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 31 May 2018 12:39:27 PM
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Dear JF Aus,
Lets indeed test your claim about the ABC and investigative journalism. The ABC is not perfect. It doesn't claim to be. However, its "4 Corners" program is Australia's leading investigative journalism program which airs each Monday at 8.30pm on the ABC TV. It has been part of the National Story since 1961 exposing scandals, triggering inquiries, firing debate, and confronting taboos. Just to list a few of its programs - There have been quite a few on the marine state of Australia. From - "Battle for the Reef," "Weather Alert," to "Big Fish," "Adani and our reef," "Water use in Australia's largest river basin," "China Rising," "Doctors for the Environment," and the list goes on. You're entitled to hold your opinion about the ABC - but the facts contradict what you are claiming they don't do. Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 31 May 2018 2:23:29 PM
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Hi Foxy,
Here are some facts. I knew Bob Raymond who founded Four Corners and I still know his son. Bob Snr was a friend of Vincent Serventy who briefed me about Crown Of Thorns larvae thriving on unprecedented algae proliferated by human waste. In the early eighties I warned on media of serious snd general world fish depletion occurring. Four Corners had me come from Port Phillip Bay (Vic) to Eden (NSW) where I was interviewed in a program they called "Learn to Eat Shark". But most sharks have now also been eaten and I think others would be dead due to starvation, that they are not immune to. The program "Big Fish" was about salmon farmers objecting to other salmon farmers coming to overload one bay with nutrient waste. Nothing was said about the whole world ocean or GBR coral, the latter that anyway is sometimes downstream from Tasmanian point sources of nutrient dumping. I am an elder in my country and I have long term underwater observation experience. I and a few others saw it the way it was . underwater and we can see what it's like now. And I can swear on oath the ABC is not reporting the critically serious devastated state of the marine environment generally, and that is a fact. Another fact is, Foxy, the other programs you refer to do not report the state of the marine environment overall. There were two UN linked SOMER studies that I think shocked a few people before the planned ongoing proposed series of studies suddenly stopped. Consequently ocean ecosystem damage is continuing due to lack of reported investigation and debate and solutions, and that is fact. Too bad about the approximate two billion dollars leaving Australia annually to import fish. Some of that could have been funding the ABC. And if we had wild quality finned to export the revenue could be funding schools and hospitals. But it seems the ABC could not care less. Posted by JF Aus, Thursday, 31 May 2018 5:55:09 PM
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Dear JF AAus,
Here's the ABC's - one explanation for why fish are so expensive in Australia. It seems that people prefer to buy fish from overseas than our local cheaper varieties. Anyway - its worth a read: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-4/war-on-waste-learning-to-love-local-fish/8514134 Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 31 May 2018 7:03:40 PM
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One professional shark fisho in my area grossed over two hundred and fifty thousand dollars in twelve months. That is from a small boat with minimal technology.
Live shark finning is alive and well. I observe finless sharks on occasions. Shark fin soup keeps the Chinese rooting along in the hope of catching up on the consequences of lost females from the one child policy. (And a tear for all those lost babies put out at the front gate for the wild dogs to eat). Estimated to be at least seventy million sharks slaughtered globally PA, for the fin trade. That's just the shark story. Too depressing to go further into ocean ecosystems sustainability... Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 31 May 2018 7:19:02 PM
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Hi Foxy,
I consider that link you posted involves a virtual snow job by ABC news about reality of fish and fishing these days. Truth is Australian salmon are recirded in history as fish in teeming schools that used to blacken Australian coast waters, but not these days. Yrs there are considerable numbers remaining, because to most people they are inedible, their flesh too strong, sickening. Absolutely most of the quality fish have gone and those that remain fetch a big price. Example; Sir James Kirby and his mate used to go weekend fishing off Maroubra Beach Sydney and would return with 400 pounds of snapper. That's about 200 kilo which at todays $50 plus per kilo is $10,000.00 just from a weekends sport fishing. Most shops dont keep and sell red snapper because now it is so scarse most customers cannot afford to buy it. Posted by JF Aus, Thursday, 31 May 2018 9:33:26 PM
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the abc is very very very selective on what they report and what they don't. Unfortunately one needs to look at a number of other sources to get a tiny bit of balance.
Posted by runner, Friday, 1 June 2018 4:00:07 PM
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Dear runner,
I think there's the issue of funding as well. Government cut-backs certainly don't help. Posted by Foxy, Friday, 1 June 2018 4:19:25 PM
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ABC & Integrity in the same sentence! You've got to be kidding.
Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 1 June 2018 7:02:11 PM
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Good point, Hasbeen.
Posted by JF Aus, Friday, 1 June 2018 7:33:55 PM
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Is is possible the ABC does not have enough money to report protein deficiency malnutrition and increase in maternal mortality and Diabetes II among seafood dependent island people?
Coinciding with worsening fish depletion in SW Pacific Ocean waters off Australia's shore. Make no mistake. During 2815 the Secretariat of the Pacific Community reported populations of the four main Pacific tuna species had reached historically low levels. Google; national geo ninety percent big fish gone. As for small fish, Australian aquaculture sometimes imports small fish to feed farmed fish. This is not about extinction. This is about people without affordable and adequate essential nutrition. And its about ongoing and worsening damage to the Great Barrier Reef that is a national and international tourism attraction and drawcard. Impact and consequences are all worsening because our ABC is gagging indicative evidence that should be leading to debate and proper solutions. Such as reducing the nutrient load to reduce algae blooms and mass. Posted by JF Aus, Friday, 1 June 2018 8:42:08 PM
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Mitch Fifield, minister '' responsible” for the ABC, has made his sixth complaint to the corporation in five months. Complaints? Surely, he as a government minister supposed to be overseeing a government 'department’ has more clout than a complainant.
However, the complaint itself was really just a whinge about the ABC’s reporting of a “Labor lie” to do with something unimportant to those paying for the ABC, and Mr. Fifield's wages, about by-election dates. Purely party-political and nothing to do with the performance of a billion dollar per year weight around the neck of taxpayers. It is quite clear that both parties are totally disinterested in reforming, disciplining or abolishing the ABC. They are too busy jockeying for the goodwill of the organisation and hoping something nice will be said about them, totally unable to get the obvious fact that the ABC is now more a creature of the extreme Greens and neo-Marxists than it is of either Liberal or Labor. So, long-suffering taxpayers will just have to endure the burden of the ABC as long as our stupid political class naively believes that the public broadcaster will throw them a few crumbs and keeps handing out money over to it for their own corrupt, selfish reasons. Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 2 June 2018 9:02:37 AM
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Selfish political reasons, ttbn.
Surely ABC news and current affairs should also be fair and reasonable, especially to people in need? Including people who need affordable seafood. And whole communities and even the nation need the GBR international tourism drawcard. Anyway, History is being written, our ABC of this day and age is letting the GBR and ocean ecosystems die, without news and debate toward solutions. Posted by JF Aus, Saturday, 2 June 2018 9:55:50 AM
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There is nothing like a gripe about nothing, if people prefer to bye imported fish that is their business.
Was this main stream news or entertainment. You need to get a good grip of the dial and switch to off. All of this stress the ABC causes you will drive you to drink, or is that the problem. Posted by doog, Saturday, 2 June 2018 10:31:46 AM
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doog,
It's malnutrition involving increase in diabetes and non communicable disease and dead unborn babies among Australia's seafood dependent island neighbours, that's being gagged and not reported and solved, that's driving me. Producing underwater film led me into learning about the situation. Should I just ignore it all and watch the phony ABC political 'news and current affairs'? What do you spend your time on, doog? Maybe you follow the animal welfare activists that ignore human misery linked to inadequate affordable nutrition. And I don't get drunk. Posted by JF Aus, Saturday, 2 June 2018 12:39:55 PM
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You certainly ramble on like a drunk. Phony news and current affairs. How does news get to be phony. if it did not happen there is no news. If it does not suite your hearing it's phony. right
Posted by doog, Saturday, 2 June 2018 12:57:49 PM
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doog,
Try this example of phony news. ABC news reports islands being flooded by seawater due to sea level rise caused by CO2 emissions causing climate change, but there is no mention of islands sinking due to tectonic plate movement. Six months a year I live on an island that sank down during the 2007 Ranogga earthquake. Weekly I drive an outboard canoe across a reef that sank down about 400mm, and go to another island that sank 800mm. But this type of sinking is not reported in ABC climate solar agenda news. It's phony or fake news because its incomplete news, reporting the pitch or political agenda and not the whole true story. Posted by JF Aus, Saturday, 2 June 2018 3:27:57 PM
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Is that what was reported or is that what you thought was reported. Without any information on what you are talking about no one would have any opinion either way.
You do not like the ABC mentioning Climate Change, it’s a long straw saying it’s not happening isn’t it. I thought all of those persons would have changed their tune by now. I heard there may be a connection between climate change and seismic activity due to weight shift. The thinning of ice sheets and the accumulation of extra sea water causing extra seismic activity or is that all B/S to. Posted by doog, Saturday, 2 June 2018 4:14:37 PM
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ABC news reported this,
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-13/anote-tong-delivers-strong-message-on-climate-change/9048088 I think there are some very good and sincere people at the ABC but they are held back too, suppressed. Meanwhile it appears, doog, that you in your post above are saying CO2 emissions are changing gravity on this planet. Are you on the turps or anything else this weekend? Posted by JF Aus, Saturday, 2 June 2018 5:06:22 PM
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Now who said anything about Co2 which is in a deplorably high level.
That is where your problem with the ABC comes in. You take offence at what you thought was reported after its been through your mind. Just stick to what is written or reported without adding any of your own interpretation. You are stewing up things that are only a figment of your imagination Posted by doog, Sunday, 3 June 2018 9:42:02 AM
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doog,
Are you actially the director of news and current affaurs at the ABC You say you heard of a connection between climate change and seismic activity. Or do you mean a connection between seismic activity and clinate change? Anyway its BS. Do your homework. Some islands are sinking down, their sea level is not rising due to CO2 emissions. Higher water level in some places is sometimes linked to warmer water in some places due to solar heat there and then, or elsewhere due to photosynthesis in algae plant matter. Currents can transport warmed water, including after algae absorbs available nutrient and dies and falls away. That is what happens with the CLEAR warm water of the East Australian Current (Google those words) that streams from CLOUDY algae inundated equatorial equatorial waters to near Tasmania. I expect you to baulk at insight to that current and warming phenomena, doog, because the ABC has not informed you about it. And so nutrient overload pollution feeding additional algae mass continues unchecked and worsening. Posted by JF Aus, Sunday, 3 June 2018 10:57:42 AM
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Become more informed instead of being dumbed down by shortage of important news from the ABC (obligated by Charter?) and other politically motivated media.
Example. Algae plant matter, phytoplankton, is linked to ocean and lake warming. Did you hear about that here or via ABC news? http://www.pnas.org/content/112/19/5921 Posted by JF Aus, Sunday, 3 June 2018 11:21:10 AM
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Let's test that claim.
Will our ABC report reason for fish now being so highly priced it is no longer affordable as it used to be for poorer people?
Flathead used to be common daily food for people not able to afford meat, but recently even flathead fillets have been costing over $50 for one kg.
Why does Australia now need to import over 70 percent of its annual fish supply, including farmed catfish?
What's happened to waters around this big island called Australia?
Why is there no news of the combined state of the marine environment? Why are numerous marine incidents that indicate big problems in the ocean not being reported? Why is there no debate about need for solutions, especially concerning incidents such as mass starvation of mutton birds along coast stretching from Queensland to South Australia and around Tasmania?
Why is the ocean no longer capable of sustaining whales that are being found worlwide in unprecedented strandings and deaths? Why is starvation of whales not being investigated and reported? Google; whales starving.
Do Australians and seafood dependent island people have a right to know about sustainability of ocean food supply and waterway health?
Why is algae becoming more common and a nuisance? Is anybody concerned some species of cyanobacteria algae can cause asthma-like attacks on contact with human skin?
There are serious issues that need debate and investigation.
Is unprecedented sewage and land use nutrient over-load pollution proliferating over abundance of algae, and are some species of algae smothering and killing coral on Australia's Great Barrier Reef?
http://www.smh.com.au/national/commercial-interests-out-to-get-the-abc-20180530-p4zicj.html