I feel obliged to correct a few false statements
made by ALTRAV -
because reason and common sense should indeed prevail
in discussions on a public forum such as this one.
Opinions may be great but you need to back them up
that what you say is true by citing your sources.
Rigid stereotyping and
sweeping generalisations don't have much credibility
and won't be taken seriously. Or at least they shouldn't
be.

1) Myself, and most of the females that I know do not
have a "deep-rooted" belief that women are somehow
inferior (or superior) to men. We all have husbands,
sons, male grand-children. Whom we love and respect
dearly.

2) My views - and those of my female friends are not
set in concrete. We're finding that the more we learn -
there's even more to learn. We like to keep an open
mind.

3) None of us have ever had to compete with men. We've been
judged on our own merit. We're usually not interested
in the same things anyway.

4) None of us know of any women soldiers, football players,
butchers, truck-drivers, wharfies, taxi-drivers, and so
on. We do have male
family members that were in the military though.

Your views ALTRAV - are rooted in generalisations. You totally
ignore the differences among individuals. You seem to have
a negative attitude towards many individual women believing
that they are all the same. Your concepts are very vague
and sweeping in their scope. Your thoughts are prejudiced,
irrational, illogical and inconsistent.

I can't help but wonder what sort of a family environment you
grew up in. Were your parents cold, aloof, disciplinarian?
Because you certainly acquired your mind-set from someone.
Sad really. Still I won't judge. There are probably good
reasons for why you think the way you do.

I wish you well. If you have daughters - may they grow up
to be decent human beings. That's all we can expect of
our children. And of each other. Our genders should not be
a battle-field.

What is annoying about debates and discussions is that the proponents 'cherry pick'.
I make clear statements and I don't have to prove any of them because I am man enough to stand by them.
One has to ask why it is relevant to prove something when I have learned that there are plenty of articles which argue both sides of a topic.
So I will only make the odd reference based on a reasonable and sensible conclusion, the rest are merely speculation, and yes even the ones foxy puts up as reference or the result of research.
BTW foxy, I might remind one and all that you and I are not the topic, so I find it somewhat disappointing that you would lower your guard as many others have done, to make personal observations about a fellow commentor.
Back to topic.
I would like to hear anyone's justification for women in battle, as this is a big part of this topic.
I doubt there is a salient point to justify this latest PC rubbish, like all the rest of them.

altrav: I can't believe that there are such absurdly stupid people out there who actually think women are up to the task of being a soldier or marine and so on.

Courier Mail. News. Page 09. May 31. 2018. "Women not yet a perfect fit for Army Combat Roles"

Quote from the article. "Figures released to the Senate Estimates show 10 women joined a female only Preconditioning Program aimed at getting them fit enough for regular training, but two dropped out.

Just 72 of the 152 women recruited to be infantry soldiers who started recruit training at Kapooka managed to pass the Basic Course. Of those, 24 were able to complete the infantry's basic initial training Course at Singleton.

10 have been posted to 1 R.A.R. in Townsville. I saw them while I was there."

They have not yet been tested in the Infantry Skills Competition which will be held later this year. This is bloody hard, believe me. It's held over 20klm of pure endurance, blood, sweat & tears. I've seen grown very fit men cry.

I suppose if it's anything like the annual fitness test it'll be downgraded for the women, as it was when I was in. One mile in 6 minutes was taken to 8 minutes. The 9 Miler, Full Pack was taken from 1.5 hours to 2, & the 20 Miler full Pack was extended to, 'as long as you finished," for the ladies.

Lowering the Standard? I think so. I've seen men discharged because they couldn't complete the Course. "Unfit for Active Service."

This will be interesting.

Dear ALTRAV,

You were the one who brought me (and my followers - whoever they may be?) into
your recent post on page 26 - and you continued from there.
I merely responded to your false accusations.

Now back to the topic.

As I stated many times - I am not pushing any agenda.
Neither are any of the females I know. And we certainly
do not advocate that women should be in the army, or
anywhere else for that matter. That is none of our concern.
We're too busy with our own jobs, and families, to worry
about anyone else's.

cont'd ...

If you don't want me to respond - keep me out of
your posts. But you can't go on making statements
about me and expect me to keep quiet.

Jayb, this is only a 'taste' of the PC crap we are having to endure just so that a few selfish maggots get their way, at the expense of so many other things, not just people.
So many things have been down graded to accommodate these maggots, with no actual benefit or useful result.
In fact the opposite is the case.
What is of concern to me is that in the case of the military, there are lives at stake ultimately.
Instead of strengthening morale, this will severely compromise it and the safety of the lives involved.
Now posing, bragging and showing off and trying to prove a moot point, is one thing, but when you start putting lives at risk for the sake of some sick, misguided and arrogant PC backed reason, then you've gone too far.
Let's hope nothing happens to the men faced with these unconscionable decisions by stupid generals led by the sick and demented PC brigade.
To the commentor who spoke so highly about this guy, he is a moron and just another PC puppet like most of the fools who believe in PC.
Hero, my arse!
As someone already said, it is the men who put their lives on the line, that are the heroes.
Not this moron!