I have just had a young fellow work for me for 12 weeks on the dole. Of cause he got an extra $200 per week for his efforts, but hey, a least he turned up every day, and 95% of the time, on time.

So, he now has an apprenticeship.

So there you go my opponents, I am human after all as I will reward those who have a go, albeit having been the fourth one who started. The other three found it too hard to get out of bed.

That is a good story. Pity about the others, who should not be getting money for staying in bed.

Hi there BUTCH...

As a matter of interest, what time exactly does a Butcher need to arise in the morning on average. I would've thought it'd be similar time to that of the Bakers; anywhere from 0200 - 0330hrs. five & half days a week? Or am I wrong. Cheers...Mate.

O sung, thankfully those days are long behind us, at least in my type of shop...small quality shop. These guys start anywhere from 7.30am to 2 pm and work on average of say 30hrs pw. It still took four goes to get one result, but hey, at least its a result.

Dear rehctub,

I never doubted your humanity.

Thanks foxy. It busts my hump to see many of our elderly, many of whom have either fought in wars, or lost family members to wars, literally have to prove their worthiness just to survive (a loosing battle for many) only to have lazy layabouts being rewarded to stay at home, simply because they have the smarts to cheat the system. Weather people accept it or not, cash payments for many welfare recipients is one of the major causes, as the money can be too easily misused. After all, welfare is there to assist the needy with essentials.

Dear rehctub,

At least you are doing something positive to help those that
are genuine. And kudos to you for that.

FOXY's dead right BUTCH, {you're indeed, 'd man'} for persevering with these youngsters, and giving them a bit of mettle in themselves, and their own abilities. Thanks for that my friend.

Good on you, Butch :)

Regards,

Joe

Well, well, well, Butch!

A time for me to be magnanimous;

Based on your story, even this oft critic of yours, gives you a thumbs up for what you have done for one young person. Giving him a fair go, and a well deserved opportunity for the future, I say thanks. As for your claim that you might be human. Well this time we'll cast a yes vote, but that can always change.

Cheers Paul1405.

Well done,

That young bloke will remember you all his life.

Dear Butch,

My sister saw a casual position for weekend work advertised in her local butcher and came home to see if her just turned 15 yo would be interested, suggesting if he was he might pop down the next day and try his luck. He threw on his shoes straight away and was out the door in a flash and secured the job. Working 20 hours some weekends is not the best for his studies but his sense of independence has been thoroughly bolstered. So good on you.

And good on you too for not exploiting the cheap labour on offer through the use of dole workers that many businesses engage in without ever intending to offer ongoing employment.

Well that's great, thanks. He is now starting to serve and I introduce him as a kid who worked for the dole for three months so that's why I gave him the job. I've trained over 20 apprentices thus far and I can tell you this young fellow has the goods to be top of the class, although his math is appalling...par for the course now days I'm afraid. Sadly our industry has lost it colleges so it's now all 'on the job' training, so this will result in a further lowering of the standard. At least I can proudly say that of the few that have completed, they are all good butchers now

Nice to care for young unemployed people - but why should innocent animals pay for it with their lives?

What is more bothering here, is that government could stop the pension to conscientious/religious people who refuse to slaughter or otherwise participate in the killing-industry for a living.

On apprenticeships, Australia had a boom period post WWII where there was a strong focus on trade based training, ie apprenticeships, and traineeships. I personally started my career in engineering as a trade apprentice, doing time at tech one day a week. Fortunately I was with a very large company and after my second year, being seen as a bright lad I was offered a transfer to the Engineering Office. I spent the next 6 years, four mechanical, one structural and one production engineering, doing as much as one afternoon (paid) and four nights (unpaid) at the School of Engineering as it was then at Ultimo in Sydney. I found the blokes who had done a period of on the job training, like myself which continued long after I left the factory floor, were better equipped and had a better understanding of the practical aspects of the job, than those who had simply studied it all at university.

Yuyutsu,

Who are the “conscientious/religious people who refuse to slaughter or otherwise participate in the killing-industry for a living” who have had the pensions stopped by government?

Dear Ttbn,

I don't know any (in fact I don't know anyone in person who is currently on unemployment benefits): I just pointed out that this possibility legally exists.

However, I stand corrected: on a second thought, the chance of a conscientious/religious person being on the dole to begin with, are similar to the chances of one's clothes remaining clean after falling from the chimney.

Come, come, Yuyutsu, in the good old days before killings and carnage on television, was seen as good wholesome family entertainment, even before McDonald's were providing us with all our healthy eats. I'm talking in the BC times, when the good conscientious/religious folk were not killing each other, or dying from the pestilence at age 25, they were offering sacrifice to Jehovah in the form of lambs, goats, cows, and children if necessary, to ensure the good times kept rolling in.

Nothing like on the job training. Pity our nurses don't still do it.

The people who ran the engineering cadetships at General Motors Holden knew their stuff. They reckoned that no one did anything at university on Mondays & Fridays. We cadets worked at the factory, [Pagewood for me], Mondays & Fridays, & went to uni the other three.

There were 4 of us there at that time, in different years, & not one of us struggled keeping up with the 5 day students. The fact that we had access to engineers working at the plant was actually a huge advantage, against those with just the professors to ask.

Interesting, even with that advantage it was an amateur who taught me how to design build & maintain a racing engine. A tax accountant by day, & racing engineer by night, Kevin Carrad was probably the best motor racing engineer of his era.

Re apprentice training:
Cockatoo Island Dockyard (under its various names) had an Apprentice Training Wing that trained some 150 apprentices most years (as I remember) in a variety of trades.

This came to an abrupt halt when the then Federal Labor Government closed the Dockyard, by terminating the lease on the Island.
Submarine repair was moved to WA to shore up Kim Beasley's chances in the coming election.
Some 4,000 people also lost their jobs for Kim's benefit.

Butch,

Congrats, on your willingness to help out those on the dole, and so ably demonstrating the purpose and benefits of the work for the dole program.

It only takes a portion of workers getting jobs directly or indirectly through experience to prove the left whinge knuckle draggers wrong.

Shadow, as one who supported the exploitation of the 7/11 workers it is understandable you would make a silly statement like; //It only takes a portion of workers getting jobs directly or indirectly through experience to prove the left whinge knuckle draggers wrong.//

I for one have commended Butch for his efforts based on what he has posted. However, there are employers who would exploit cheap government funded workers on the Newstart Allowance, never intending to give them the opportunity they deserve. If you were an employer I know which camp you would be in.

What planet do you inhabit Paul. I have never read such twaddle.

Unskilled & inexperienced people in the workplace are very costly. They certainly don't provide any sort of free labour. They may have a hundred years ago, when they could perhaps dig a hole, but today having beginners around simply absorbs too much of your experienced staffs time, to be of any value

For Rehctub using the system to evaluate a number of youngsters, & find one worth employing it is probably cost effective, but otherwise it is basically an extra cost, hard to justify. No unskilled inexperienced person can earn their costs in the first 3 to 6 months of employment.

With our crazy unfair dismissal laws, where you have to pay an unsatisfactory employee "go away money" to get rid of them, employing new staff is a costly nightmare. It stops you giving a slow learner a chance, as after 3 months you are stuck with them, even if they don't become useful.

We all know it can be hard to see the woods for the trees, but with lefties it is impossible for them to see the facts for the ideology.