Loudmouth, hear! hear! that's more like it. Anyone offended by your comments can look away. That shouldn't be too hard, even for the the snow flakes. I am in disbelief as to why a majority of a population have to watch their 'P's and 'Q's, to cater for a childish or immature minority. As long as we can 'speak our minds' freely, we have played our part in a conversation. We are, after all, duty bound to speak the truth or say what we think or believe. If in doing so offends; irrelevant! So be it.

Joe,

If you think that just offending someone could be a logical fallacy, then I’m afraid you haven’t quite grasped what a logical fallacy is yet.

http://www.thoughtco.com/what-is-logical-fallacy-1691259

If the person doing the offending is doing it in lieu of a rational argument, then it would be a fallacy. But we already have a name for that. It’s called the ad hominem, and it has nothing to do with how the person on the receiving end feels about the offence.

I’m still stuck on the fact that, had a celebrity singled out an entire race as being destined for such hideous and immoral treatment, then their censure would not be controversial. But because it’s gay people who were spoken about, suddenly free speech is under attack.

That, and the amusing irony to fact that Folau, too, is going to Hell for being black.

The joke’s on him, but he can hardly be blamed for that. He comes from a group of people who have one of the lowest levels of average IQ in the world. That’s why they’re so religious.

AJ,

Is that what you mean by an 'ad hominem' ? Do you have evidence whatever that Polynesians have lower intelligence than yours ? Why on earth do you suggest that sort of rubbish ?

Or, in the spirit of this thread, are you trying to be offensive for its own sake ?

Joe

Yes, Joe, technically that’s an ad hominem.

<<Is that what you mean by an 'ad hominem' ?>>

But it’s not the fallacious kind because I didn’t say it to evade dealing with an issue put before me. I more just threw it out there.

<<Do you have evidence whatever that Polynesians have lower intelligence than yours ?>>

Actually, I didn’t say they were lower than mine. But I’ll take that as a compliment.

http://aristocratsofthesoul.com/average-iq-by-race-and-ethnicity

<<Why on earth do you suggest that sort of rubbish ?>>

Because it’s true. You’re not in favour in suppressing the truth just because it’s not PC are you?

Sorry, AJ, you lost me at .... "But it’s not the fallacious kind because I didn’t say it to evade dealing with an issue put before me. I more just threw it out there."

I'm supposed to have a fairly high IQ, so clearly IQ is unreliable as a measure of anything, except perhaps there ability to do IQ tests (I've done about four, I think). Even Herrstein and Murray (much more than Burt and Eysenck before them) also pay attention to such factors as class and culture (cultural capital, cultural imperatives). And as the author of your article says, "Lumping people into a group and judging them based solely on skin color is the definition of racism, and everyone should be judged as an individual. "

One could suggest, to get even further off the track of this thread, that length of settled life and recency of migration, might have impacts as well. Anyway, that's all many other issues for other threads. Unless, of course, you are suggesting that Folau's religious beliefs are a function of, or are in some way related to, his intelligence ? Since you provide no evidence (he's always seemed quite intelligent to me), I'll assume that you were just being flippant.

Cheers,

Joe