From the ABC,

"The Australian Law Reform Commission (ALRC) inquiry, led by federal court judge Matthew Myers, was commissioned by the Federal Government to investigate whether courts, police and prisons were contributing to the over-incarceration of First Nations people.

The answer was yes, the inquiry found, because the justice system was often entrenching inequalities by not providing enough sentencing options and diversion programs for Indigenous offenders.

Shahleena Musk, a Larrikia woman and senior lawyer with the Human Rights Law Centre, said it was one of the most "crucial" inquiries she had seen..."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-28/overhaul-needed-to-address-indigenous-incarceration/9596374

This is racism, in an intended benevolent form, but racism none the less.

//This is racism//

Perhaps we should be more concerned about the racism that sees indigenous people being incarcerated at such ridiculously high rates before we worry about this particular form of racism. Priorities, people.

There is only one way for the descendants of indigines (there was never a 'First Nation') to stay out of jail is for the offenders themselves to stop offending. It does't get any simpler than that, and it would alleviate the huge taxpayer cost of dealing wit these recalcitrant people ad infinitum.

There's more to it than that - the status quo is not acceptable. Despite the "one law for all Australians" rhetoric, our indigenous population are far more likely to be jailed for things that white Australians who've committed the same offences usually aren't. And this problem needs addressing. Hence the ALRC enquiry.

If you don't like its conclusions, feel free to suggest improvements. But please note that doing so will require you to actually read the report instead of mindlessly parroting claims of racism!

Aidan: Despite the "one law for all Australians" rhetoric, our indigenous population are far more likely to be jailed for things that white Australians who've committed the same offences usually aren't.

Garbage. Indigenous Population is far more likely not to be charged in the first place, where-as a White Australian would be. Eg; House breaking & repeat house breaking. Personal experience here, when the police intervene & ask you not to charge the person if they return all of the stolen items. Only to find that those same persons are habitual house breakers. Please explain?

Another MTTI;
1. Australian Law must be enshrined as the only Law acceptable to the people of Australia & must be applies equally across all peoples. The creeping use of other forms of Laws to appease other Cultures, E.g.: Sharia, must be completely outlawed & heavy penalties imposed on those that enforce the Foreign Laws of Islamic people in Australia. Sharia Law exists in Muslim enclaves in Australia. These must be shut down.

Aidan,

"But please note that doing so will require you to actually read the report instead of mindlessly parroting claims of racism"

There is no need to read the report, it's conclusions are racist there should be only one law for all Australians and no one should be sent to jail because of their race.

I think that the recommendation that persons who are in arrears with their fines should not be sent to jail is a good idea, but this should apply to all; how will the Government determine to whom the law shall apply?
A personal claim, skin colour, family tree, blue eyes?

If the law is not being applied fairly then it behoves the Government(s) to redress the problem, not create new ones.

"...our indigenous population are far more likely to be jailed for things that white Australians who've committed the same offences usually aren't."

If that is the case, it must be fixed. If jailing occurs as a consequence of diversionary penalties being ignored that must be addressed too.

These matters should not obfuscate a cultural issue concerned with offending that only aborigines have control over.

Equal penalties under the same law for all Australians.

Funny how some people still blame the appalling behaviour of non-whites on whites, and make unsubstantiated claims that whites are not jailed for things that non-whites are jailed for. It's much easier to talk shite than to expect the non-whites to take responsibility for their own behaviour. When it is suggested that placing deprived aboriginal children with white families who can lift them out of barbarity and ignorance, the same people start screeching about 'racism'. They have absolutely no interest in improving the lot of people they would prefer to see frozen in the Stone Age as 'noble savages'. The problem is they are not noble, just a savage; and that's the way the Left wants to keep them.

How often do you think that much of this prison time for aboriginals is actually a magistrate deciding the best thing they can do for many is prison?

This gets them off the grog, or glue sniffing for a while, with perhaps some chance to get their brain less addled. It might even get some decent food into them for a while.

Hell it might even get them away from the do-gooders that infest the aboriginal world, for a while.

Government sponspored Humans Rights lawyers are a big part of the problem and yet want to offer solutions! Same old same old. While Indigeneous crime rates continue to rise so the the jailing of the crimminals. Deal with the issues. I doubt it.

How ridiculous ,theres more in jail because they are bad boys and girls . I understand a lot are reafending on AVOs. Is beatng up the wife partner girlfriend traditional

Clearly if one group in the nation is disproportionately represented in the prison system, its the fault of the system and things need to be changed to the advantage of that discriminated-against group.

On an entirely different note, men are vastly over represented in the prison system. In the same way that aboriginals are 17 times more likely to be imprisoned than non-aboriginals, men are 17 times more likely to be imprisoned than non-men.

I'm sure the usual compassionate folk are working, as we speak, on ways to rectify this disparity.

Do the crime do the time.

It would not occur to them if they did not commit criminal acts they would stay out of the jails.

Maybe crimes against whites should get British law and crimes against other blackfellas their own law. I know what most would choose.

//Do the crime do the time.//

Only if you get caught.

And even then, that only applies to the plebs. Have you not heard of lawyers?

Even Saudi Arabia started to move away from this stupid "One law for all" - http://vivalifestyleandtravel.com/saudi-arabia/travel-and-lifestyle/news/red-sea-project

'And even then, that only applies to the plebs. Have you not heard of lawyers?' Yep the als is massive.

One law for all Australians?

Sure so lets get rid of mandatory sentencing in particularly the NT but also WA.

A 15 year old shouldn't be put in jail for a month for stealing biscuits and some paint only to end up hanging himself a couple of days before his release.

Or the 21 year old who got a year, also for stealing biscuits, because of mandatory sentencing which also target first time offenders over 17.

Anyone who thinks this is a fair system is an idiot.

Steele,

Couldn't agree more, sentencing should be discretionary.

Steele: A 15 year old shouldn't be put in jail for a month for stealing biscuits and some paint only to end up hanging himself a couple of days before his release.

How can you blame that on White mans Law. Suicide is a very personal activity. The only person to be blamed for the suicide id the person who suicides. No on-else. No Law. It's a personal decision.

Blaming White men, The Government or White Laws is a cop-out.

I said & I think runner agrees. Apply Aboriginal Law. A good Thigh Spearing never did anyone any harm. Ay. Rub some ashes into the wound, She'll be right. Ay.

Yutsie: Even Saudi Arabia started to move away from this stupid "One law for all"

Yutsie the Saudis have never had one Law for all. There's one Law for men & one Law for Women. Or, I really should say there is a variation of that one Law for each of the Sexes.

I suppose that if you committed a Crime in Australia that you would want to be tried under Indian Law, or what ever is the lesser. Is that right.

Hell, why don't we make it that everyone gets tried under the Laws of the Country they came from. I could see that working. Not. Is that what you are advocating Yutsie? I could see the Greenies being in favour of that, as they are in favour of allowing mahommedeans to have Sharia Law.

Just imagine. the Courts in Australia administrating the different Laws. Australian Law, Aboriginal Law X 100+ (for the different Tribes), Sharia Law x 10+ (for the different Sects.) Lawyers would be making a mint. Ay. One for the Triads, one for the Mafia, another for the Russians, Then there'd be one for the Yanks.

Quote "sentencing should be discretionary" that is a lot of the problem with slap on the wrist judges and magistrates. (Victoria for example)

Sentences were made mandatory sentencing partly because of that.

Keep mandatory but work on rules for when and when not to apply it.

We do have one set of laws for all Australians but two legal systems - one for the rich and one for the poor.

We have a Legal System but what we don't have is a Justice System.

Our prison population has almost doubled in the last couple of decades and does not reflect the proportional makeup of our society.
The Aboriginal prison population also happens to be the most incarcerated indigenous community in the world, even outranking the US black population - the USA having the largest ranked per capita prison population in the world.

About 40% of prisoners reoffend within two years of their release so the system is failing as a system of correction.

None of the politically convenient "tough on crime" strategies have worked and it costs the taxpayer about $110,000 per annum to house each prisoner.

Of course we can just keep blaming the victims and ignore everything else.

OMG Issy what is wrong with your thinking? OOps! you don't think I forgot.

Your attitude is inherently racist!

Gee the poorest, lowest educated people in society due to the oppression and crimes against them continue to make mistakes... Go figure!

The facts...

The Aboriginal people's survived happily but with some occassional cross tribal for 40,000 years.

They lived happily in a stone age type culture as hunter gatherers in one of the toughest countries to survive.

They lived at one to a great extent with nature.

Captain Cook introduced the coming of the whiteman by shooting the first aborigine he saw. The other whites who had been here before him probably did similar.

The British claiming to be Christians...Coveted the land, stole the land and killed the people. They oppressed the people breaking every Christian rule possible as they went.

The Brits treated the aborigine as a fifth class people...afterall they weren't white...

Those pesky aborigines often rebelled...How dare they! WE whites would never rebel under oppression and the destruction of our communities...lol

They fed them alcohol to further destroy their culture.

They introduced the rubbish religion of Chritianity for mor culture busting enjoyment.

They stole the kids from parents and starved them out when they wanted the land.

How dare the aborigine not be like us! Even though we had thousands of years to build our culture the aborigine was given 10 minutes to change.

Geez! And you call yourselves Christian and Australia a Christian nation...Shameful! Do unto others was never applied to the aborigine!

rache: We have a Legal System but what we don't have is a Justice System.

A QC once told me that the Legal System isn't about Justice, it's about applying the Law. I asked him about why the high flyers get off so lightly for some very serious crimes. He said that it depends on how good your Barrister can argue & how much you can pay.

rache: The Aboriginal prison population also happens to be the most incarcerated indigenous community in the world, even outranking the US black population.

Well, I look at it like this. Why are they committing so much crime? I guess there would be twice as many in Prison if the Police could be persuaded to charge more instead of being told by their superiors to "let it go." & the Magistrates dealt out more realistic Sentencing instead of slapping wrists & being PC.

What a racist rant Opinionated2.

Op2,

Suggest that you read Cook's Journal entry relative to the visit to Botany Bay.
http://southseas.nla.gov.au/journals/cook/17700429.html

Educate yourself a bit in the process.

Dear Jayb,

«Hell, why don't we make it that everyone gets tried under the Laws of the Country they came from. I could see that working. Not. Is that what you are advocating Yutsie?»

NO.

«I suppose that if you committed a Crime in Australia that you would want to be tried under Indian Law, or what ever is the lesser. Is that right.»

No - why would I want to be tried under Indian or under any other law which I never consented to live under?

I suppose, if a group of people genuinely wanted to subject themselves to a set of laws and to be tried accordingly by their peers if they failed to follow those laws, then it's OK, but that has never been the case in Australia (or in India for that matter) - what we have instead, is a group of people imposing their laws without consent on everyone who happens to live on the land, including by birth, then using their courts to accuse others, telling them that they are bad boys and girls and must be punished for not following their dictates. The only appropriate term for such a behaviour, is barbarism!

Issy...I am well educated TY.

The aborigines thought the ships were ghost ships and rightly that the people on board would harm them...The ships terrified them!

History proves the aborigines correct, we did harm them and you uneducated and unthinking.

I hope you don't approve of border protection for that is all the aborigines were doing! Or can only white people protect their borders?

So only white people are allowed to protect their homes from thieves?

Only white people are allowed to defend their women against rape?

Only white people are allowed to protect their families?

Your ignorance is astounding!

Oh look they didn't fall for the beads and trinkets trick... How dare they!

Oh they were too scared to take them... Shame on them!

Do you know how a musket works? Even a few pallets whilst not stopping the victim can get infected at a later time and cause death.

Why do you continually make yourself look like a moron?

Maybe you are just a moron!

Try educating yourself!

Matthew 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Why do you ignore all the horror & suffering we have inflicted on these people so easily?

Oh I know why... You are a bigot

If you don't like our laws Yuyutsu, move to somewhere where the laws suit you, I don't think anyone is forcing you to stay.

Opinionated2, have you ever tried to think something through? Of course not.

Just a few things the aboriginals have gained from white settlement.

A lot less die every year from tribal skirmishes.

Life expectancy is double for settlement, & triple for city aborigines.

Medical treatment is beyond their wildest imaginings.

They eat 3 times as well, & twice as often.

They have at least the same rights to defend their women & families. In fact white man law is helping dramatically in defending aboriginal families, women & children from aborigines.

Hell we even have exclusive use computer labs for them in our universities. Bet no white man could get that.

If anyone is a moron or a bigot, they expose this fact in their postings in places like this. Boy do you qualify.

Personally I don't know all that much about much of our law, I have managed to get way past my 3 score years & 10, without breaking any other than driving a little faster occasionally than some fool incompetent planner thinks is suitable.

The fact that we have such ridiculously low speed limits does not worry me enough to get upset about it, so I guess I'll stick around. Sorry Steely.

There are lots of motor sporting activities I could partake of, if I really had some need to drive fast. One Easter at Bathurst I did 180 MILES/Hour a couple of dozen times. Actually I did not find it exciting, or even fun. It was actually a bit scary, so I didn't do it again, I went sailing. Would you believe 18 Knots in a yacht is about as scary as 180 Miles/Hour in a Brabham.

Dear Hasbeen,

«If you don't like our laws Yuyutsu, move to somewhere where the laws suit you, I don't think anyone is forcing you to stay.»

What's that got to do with what I personally like or dislike or what personally suits me or otherwise: Wrong is just wrong!

Laws are presently being inflicted upon any human who is born on this planet, without being asked and from the moment they are born - that is plainly wrong. Period.

Op2,

'Even a few pallets..."

Wow!! that's some gun, even if it's only firing softwood pallets or the small pallets.

Cook went out of his way to minimise injury and harm and, from the result of his ordering small shot to be fired, I'd say that, from the effect, the musket was loaded with a reduced powder charge and birdshot.

An in depth report that government would be wise to follow up on. Implementing the reports key recommendations would go a long way towards addressing the inequalities that Indigenous people are being subjected to on a daily basis by the legal system. The report is extensive and I am sure only those with a very keen interest would read all 528 pages.

OOPS! I spelt pellets wrongly...Issy you are like a walking spell checker...lmao Is that the best you've got?

As usual you didn't address one of the points I made, because you can't...your only input now is an "Ï'd say" opinion...lol

Your opinion is as useful as a feather in the wind.

So "you'd say" the pellets were made of bird shot and used a reduced powder charge... I have proven time and again that you simply don't think so your thought that went into your "Id say" comment doesn't mean anything Issy.

You're guessing! No-one knows what the outcome was for the aborigines that may have been hit. Thanks for your guess though...lol

And of course every person who ever wrote in a log has never twisted the truth...So we should totally believe Captain Cook and your guesses on everything...lol

Wow Hasbeen...You sure suit your name maybe you should change it to Dimwith though..lol So things have improved a little over time now compare the white vs Aborigine stats.

The "Less deaths from tribal skirmishes" really show how dense you are...lmao

Just so you are on top of things there are also less deaths from the Blitzkrieg in London also...lmao

And childbirth in the over 80's has equalled it's all time low... zero still...lmao

Some recent stats

Life expectencies about 10 years less.

I/2 of aborigines aren't employed

1 in 5 women were subject to violence

15 times higher imprisonment rate...

1 in 12 aborigines are part of the stolen generation

And 100% of all aborigines and Torres Straight Islanders have to tolerate the crazies in the world like you!

STOP TYPING! You are making a complete fool of yourself!

'And of course every person who ever wrote in a log has never twisted the truth..' coming from someone who twists and misrepresents truth like few others. No wonder you believe recently made up massacre stories invented by self loathing Indigeneous historians over documented truth op.

Dear Hasbeen,

You wrote;

“The fact that we have such ridiculously low speed limits does not worry me enough to get upset about it, so I guess I'll stick around. Sorry Steely.”

Don't be sorry mate. I really enjoy having you around. Every time I think I'm getting thoroughly ornery in my late middle age I read one of your posts and I think to myself; 'At least you aren't as cantankerous as that old bastard'.

Anyway we are just a couple of keyboard warriors. Its as bad as waving walking sticks at each other across the TV room at the retirement village, pretty ineffectual but it makes us feel good.

I do often get a chuckle out of your posts but what's with runner nowadays? His offerings just make me want to throw up lately.

I do still respond to the both of you. There are a few here I really can't be bothered with. I don't even read their posts.

Anyway enough with the Easter charity.

Within 40 years the entire indigenous population of Victoria was reduced to less than 100 and somehow you think they are better off? What a clown!

Op2;

"You're guessing! No-one knows what the outcome was for the aborigines that may have been hit. Thanks for your guess though...lol"

There is no mention of blood spurting from the hits, so I'd say, based on years of experience using Brown Bess muskets that Cook ordered a shot that would only sting.

He could, just as easily have ordered a full charge with a single ball, which would have passed clean through a man at the close range at which Cook ordered fire.

Have you ever handled or fired the Brown Bess?

I've used one for hunting, particularly duck, and they are, being 10 gauge, very effective muskets/shotguns out to 60 yards.

Issy, when you are playing with your "toy", do you put on one of those funny wigs etc? Your mates from the Wacko Willies Wild West Shout Out Show dress the part, do you?

OMG! Issy are your really this thick?

So you think pellets hitting the body always makes the blood spurt? lmao

Ever cut yourself... does the blood always spurt? Give me strength! You say the most imbecillic things!

I think you might remember I said that infection may have killed them... We just don't know and Cook never said...lmao

Like you, he probably thought infections were demons...lmao

I don't use guns Issy... I am smarter than that! I hate guns!

Nothing better than duck that you have to spit the little pellets from as you eat it...apparently...NOT!

I always thought shotguns were for shooters who were poor shots...lol

But back to the topic...Maybe you should just do a short course in history to see what a mess we have made of the aboriginal people.

Blame the victim if you want, but don't call yourself a thinking person if you do.

Less shooting more education and thinking will assist you greatly!

Maybe also you should develop a more empathetic heart towards those who have been wronged rather than call yourself a Christian with no empathy whatsoever... Anyone can do that!

Op2: Life expectancies about 10 years less.

Somewhat up on what they were <200 years ago.

I/2 of aborigines aren't employed.

Living in an isolated area could contribute, although 200 years ago 90% of Aborigines were unemployed

1 in 5 women were subject to violence

Better than 1 in 2 200 years ago.

15 times higher imprisonment rate...

Well they didn't have prisons 200 years ago. Got speared in the Thigh & maybe died of septicaemia. Then again if the ones now didn't commit any crimes they could reduce that to zero.

1 in 12 aborigines are part of the stolen generation

Correct me if I'm wrong but there has only a small hand full found & those taken were in danger from their own people. the ones put into schools received an education unlike the ones that weren't removed for their own safety.

And 100% of all aborigines and Torres Straight Islanders have to tolerate the crazies in the world like you!

Most Aboriginal (Townies) are sick of the likes of the Greenies PC type people telling them that they are hard done by.

STOP TYPING! You are making a complete fool of yourself OP2! Are you a Boori, Coori or a Murri? I grew up with Boori's, Murri's & the children of Kanakas.

Is Mise: I've used one for hunting, particularly duck, and they are, being 10 gauge, very effective muskets/shotguns out to 60 yards.

Yes, There used to be one hanging inside the Old Army Hall in Ayr when I joined the CMF. It belonged to the CO's Grandfather. He let us all fire one shot, one Range day. I Didn't even hit the target. One of those old yard & a half square types they used to use for the .303's at 100 yards. 1962.

Dear paul,

I am at a loss as to why you even bother responding to the idiot. By doing so so often here you have forced me to dip into the drivel and it ain't pretty. He can't even get his facts straight.

Duterte is not from Davos because that is in Switzerland. It is Davao. I lived there through part of the seventies and his family were our neighbours, my mother use to exchange books with him.

The reason for his current popularity is mainly because the people are so frustrated with the endemic corruption in the Philippines. Big drug barons among others have acted with complete impunity and easily secured the release of those acting for them when arrested.

Duterte has decided to circumvent the very corrupt judicial system which Filipinos loath and bring crude justice in the form of death squads.

Anyone in this country advocating that for Australia should be labeled a threat and shipped off.

Op2,

"I think you might remember I said that infection may have killed them... We just don't know and Cook never said...lmao"

Hardly likely; the aborigines were not wearing clothes, so no dirty cloth to be drawn into any wound and as the black powder fouling that would be on the pellets is an antiseptic and in the absence of infection the body grows a protective covering around foreign bodies lodged under the skin and they are eventually rejected.
Where did you get the 'them' from?

I had a mate who had 72 pellets of No 6 shot in his left leg and the doctors decided to leave them there as to cut them out would have been too scaring; no infection set in and for years afterwards the pellets kept coming to the surface but some of the deeper ones never came out.

"I (Is Mise) had a mate who had 72 pellets of No 6 shot in his left leg"

And what SCHOOL was he in when he got his comeuppance? Please tell us the circumstances of your mates shooting. I am very interested. And don't tell us the kangaroo fired back!

Hi Steele,
Jayb is one who advocates the Filipino model for Australia.

Quote; "In the Philippines he would have been shot dead & that would have been the end of the matter. It's a pity the Government can't introduce similar Laws here. It would certainly cut down on Crime & get rid of a lot of Crims at the same time."

This is what he advocated for a 16 year old boy who was drunk in the street. I wounder what he would have in mind for the real criminals like "Lefties" he so despises.

Interesting how some here, the 'Usual Suspects' are appalled by what they see as a lack of law and order in society. Yet at an instant they advocate an uncontrolled police force given carte blanche to mete out summery "justice" whenever, and wherever, they feel predisposed to do so, with no questions asked! One, an ex-copper called it "sidewalk justice".

p/s Is Mise is a cereal forum nutter a 'Fruitloop' me thinks, but he is easy to wind up, and yes I am always hoping he will come back with something amusing or even halfway witty, but alas all he can muster is his boring bedpan responses. I live in hope that one day Issy will deliver a funny one liner, I have given up on his sidekick Hassy to do the same.

OMG! JayB.... Life expectancies for us are up also... Is that a good thing if medicine keeps you alive but your health, your mental health or living conditions are sub standard?

The point I was making by mentioning the average life expectancies is that the aborigine is still disadvantaged in the health arena because they were kept poor by the invaders (us).

Your comment about 200 years ago all aborigines weren't employed is typical backward whiteman thinking...They lived off the land as hunter collectors so that comment is just sad for you to have meade it. Did you mean to say..In whiteman jobs?

How do you know 200 years agao 1 in 2 were subjected to violence? Where are the records you are referring to? Oh you made that up...Go figure..Pathetic!

OMG! People like you astound me with your bigoted views. Aboriginal people are, even today, jailed for their poverty and for minimalist crimes compared to whites... STOP AND THINK!

So you have spoken to most Aboriginal town people in Australia to claim your "most Townies" comment... Why do you lie to us and yourself?

You are obviously an old white bigot who is totally in denial about the plight of aboriginal people. Never mind we caring people will work with Aboriginal Australia.

STOP TYPING! Your bigotry and deliberate deceit is out there for all to see! You are not just making a fool of yourself you are the problem so get out of the way!

Issy you do realise that not all medical outcomes turn out the same every time. To assume that the outcome for one person shot with pellets is the same outcome for all people shot with pellets is rather appalling. Where did you get your medical training... Disneyland?

Where do you people come from!

paul,

You want something witty?

How about "Paul is witty" or "The Greens are real conservationists"?

Steelie: Duterte is not from Davos because that is in Switzerland. It is Davao.

Thank you steelie you are right, Fat Finger Syndrome. Then you would more than likely know my neighbour, Yen. Apparently they were neighbours in Davao when she was growing up. Boy, what a worker, the whole yard is overgrown in yummy food & I have gained a granddaughter who follows me everywhere. Granddad, granddad, granddad. She's lovely.

I have a little Maltese/Shitsu, Rascal, or Marilyn after my wife 'c cause she can be a cranky little @$#%&% if she cant get her own way. ;-). Her little brother lives over the road, Scallywags, Wags or Dude, ('cause he's Cool,) then there's a little Cavalier/Bishon from down the road, Flame, who is in love with me & never leaves my side. I have them all day every day. Puppies 1,2,3 & Puppy #4. Karla, my next door Granddaughter. She's 4.

Op2,

"Issy you do realise that not all medical outcomes turn out the same every time. To assume that the outcome for one person shot with pellets is the same outcome for all people shot with pellets is rather appalling. Where did you get your medical training... Disneyland?"

Of course, the wounds, if there were any, could have become infected but going by Cook there is little likely hood and going on my own experience and having read extensively on forensic ballistics and on the effects of wounds on clothed and unclothed people during the time that Black powder was used and also given that the Aboriginal was not apparently affected by the shot, I'll back my knowledge and experience against your supposition.

I have a mate discharged from active duty in the Navy after being injured in the legs in a bus blast in London. He still has shrapnel imbedded in his legs after years of frequent hospital visits.

In reading this forum I understand better why there are so many religions

Josephus,

Hope your mate isn't pained by the shrapnel; I was in hospital when I was 10 and there was a wardsman there who used to amuse us kids by letting us feel the bits of shrapnel in his arms from WWI, this was in 1944.

When I was 14 there was this cute little honey who used to lift up her top and let me feel her "shrapnel" as well.

Look Issy a miracle the time of my post; Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 1 April 2018 5:36:49 AM, and the time on my clock in NSW are now exactly the same, God works in mysterious ways, hallelujah brother, praise the Lord!

Dear Jayb,

You wrote;

"Apparently they were neighbours in Davao when she was growing up."

This is pretty easy mate. What was the name of the street?

I will even give you a clue. I attended the Ateneo De Davao and my sisters went to the Phillipine Womens College. We were all able to walk to school.

Your call.

So I have a hard question - where does the "human rights" of a child, place in Aboriginal society/culture?
Why are children raped, over and over again - and it's ok.
The latest Royal Commission didn't wish to acknowledge child abuse, such information provided by those within the Court system - much to their shame as a Commission - Why? So I question all response from the panel on this Commission, they had the opportunity to effect change, but chose to ignore the real issues of abuse "right in front of them". Shameful.
Why don't Aboriginal children go to school - and it's ok.
Some of these children could become our future leaders, scientists ect. and must be afforded the opportunity to explore life and knowledge.... as we all have.
Why are these children denied their "human rights" to knowledge and growth within our society.
Why do incarcerated children prefer to go to jail because they are unsafe in their family homes due to extreme levels of abuse - I refer to Warren Mundine's various articles.
Yes, there are many Aussies who care for our Indigenous Australians, and it's about time the activists who "purport" to care for our First Nation People - get REAL, and get our kids into school, and those who wish to "rape" our children out of society

Steelie: Your call.

No need to be nasty. I'll ask Yen tomorrow. I've been playing Easter Bunny all afternoon. Just had some nice Mulberries.

Ise Mise - racism really?

Let's get real on this subject "culture", first - the Rights of any/all children born in Australia - it doesn't get any easier than that.

If a/any culture doesn't put " our children" - our future - first, Australia has a problem.

Australians don't care what culture such "child" - our precious youth - is born under, these children are Aussies, as such should - and must be _ afforded every opportunity of love, growth, experience.

I note that English is a "second" language to Aboriginal Cultures.

This is no difference to multi cultural communities arriving on our shores for decades.

The difference being those multi cultural societies assimilated with English - as our national language.

These children now Aussies, whilst maintaining their culture. continued to have lessons on a weekend in order to maintain the culture.

It seems that those within the Aboriginal Culture teacher run schools - don't wish to assimilate.

So my question being - why are these teachers insisting/and or teaching Aboriginal Culture as a first step - as opposed to English as a first language.

English should be taught as a "first" priority for children, yes children should be taught their Aboriginal traditions.

If you wish children to grow and foster - they need to know they are safe and secure within a/any community.

So I ask - what are current teachers providing to "our children" - Aussies with their growth and expansion of knowledge programs, if not English being taught a "first" language.

Yes, " racism really?", because any laws based on 'race' are of their nature, racist, be they benign or otherwise.

Dear SAINTS,

You rightly complain about the rape of children - yet forcing them to attend school is a form of rape just the same. Abuse is abuse, whether it attacks the child's genitals or their brain/mind - What makes the latter more acceptable?

You are blinded by the Western culture in believing that becoming leaders and scientists is a worthwhile privilege to pursue. What if these are actually a curse?

What makes you consider this paternalistic benevolence to be genuine? What if the true motive to assimilate those children and teach them English as first language, is to turn them into cogs in your modern/industrial economic machinery?

Aidan - you wrote -

There's more to it than that - the status quo is not acceptable. Despite the "one law for all Australians" rhetoric, our indigenous population are far more likely to be jailed for things that white Australians who've committed the same offences usually aren't. And this problem needs addressing. Hence the ALRC enquiry.

I suggest you really do some more research. Suggesting you back go further than this Report - as some of us have.

May I add a "first" to your research, why are Aboriginal children (our children) more likely to be abused, raped, killed, incarcerated as opposed to others.

Gee I guess it comes down to "their culture" and lack of anyone in either Labor or Liberal willing, able, to have the balls - to address same, for fear of, Oh it might negate votes at next election. Yep we've seen it and watched it.

We as Aussies demand our children/all children be afforded the deemed right of any child to live in safety, security, love and nurture and attend school on a daily basis.

Yuystsu

You say - You rightly complain about the rape of children - yet forcing 'them 'to 'attend school is a form of rape just the same. Abuse is abuse, whether it attacks the child's genitals or their brain/mind - What makes the latter more acceptable?

You are blinded by the Western culture in believing that becoming leaders and scientists is a worthwhile privilege to pursue. What if these are actually a curse?

My response: - Really Yuystsu - that's sick and you know it?

yuystu

you state - You are blinded by the Western culture in believing that becoming leaders and scientists is a worthwhile privilege to pursue. What if these are actually a curse?

I respond - what's wrong with any person of ANY culture being a forerunner to future scientific achievement in the medical field, engineering or any other field.

Oh but I am of a Western Culture - so what of the millions of dollars now being expended in employment to Indigenous youth by a certain mining company (and others) for Aboriginal youth and many other programs.

Oh - ok I'm of a Western Culture who just wish for our First Nation People to sit on their bums and do nothing - oh I get it, you have no interest in our First Nation People to learn, get ahead, and eventually own their own businesses for their culture and people, and get ahead.

All class - you are.

Ise Mise

You say - Yes, " racism really?", because any laws based on 'race' are of their nature, racist, be they benign or otherwise.

I respond - We have one law in Australia - no matter what race, creed or culture.

Due to continuing child abuse reported within the Aboriginal communities, I urge Labor and Liberal Governments including those of Aboriginal culture in the Senate and House of Reps to immediately cease the so called invected "outrage" and man up and address these issues, albeit it may be "foreign" to their culture.

Quite simply - enough is enough - no child should be the subject of any abuse - end of.

What price do you put on a child's protection as opposed to a vote? for any party.

"What price do you put on a child's protection as opposed to a vote? for any party."

Relevance?

I'll explain it for you Issy...

Child abuse exists in all cultures and the laws that exist should be applied to everyone.

Like the criminal activity of the coverups the churches did it seems that the law isn't applied sometimes and that needs to be improved.

Is covering up crimes against children acceptable to you Issy?

You believers have let the Churches get away with breaking the child laws for years.

If any group is abusing children whether it be physical or sexual abuse, or indoctrinating children, or continually lying to children to manipulate their young minds the law needs to intervene with force.

So if children are being abused in any communities the law needs to intervene immediately.

If groups are covering up those abuses, or, have a history of covering up those abuses then those organisations should be closed down and their assets seized and sold to pay for the compensation due to the victims and repay the country for all the time spent trying to get to the bottom of the crimes.

Surely you would accept that as reasonable, wouldn't you Issy?..

If you still attend any organisation that has committed these atrocious crimes and covered up these crimes aren't you tacitly condoning the actions of those organisations with your own pathetic inaction?

The laws of the land should always be applied without fear or favour!

Op2,

"...and the laws that exist should be applied to everyone."

That's the general idea, one law for all Australians, no laws for a particular race, because to base laws on race is to practice racism.

Do you understand now?

Who is prepared for some new laws?

http://www.iseekplant.com.au/blog/north-korea-agrees-finance-adani-carmichael-mine/

Op2: If groups are covering up those abuses, or, have a history of covering up those abuses then those organisations should be closed down and their assets seized and sold to pay for the compensation due to the victims and repay the country for all the time spent trying to get to the bottom of the crimes.

I don't have any objection to that. In fact I support it. One Church group in Brisbane is upping the School Fees to cover their Compensation Costs & guess what? They aren't Catholic.

Is Mise: That's the general idea, one law for all Australians, no laws for a particular race, because to base laws on race is to practice racism.

& No special exceptions or allowances for special Groups. Eg: Aboriginals, Mahommedeans, etc.

JF Aus: http://www.iseekplant.com.au/blog/north-korea-agrees-finance-adani-carmichael-mine/

OMG what's Getup going to do now. They'll have a real dilemma won't they. As long as they pay their proper Tax+. I can't see them getting Coal though, there's an embargo on that. Ay.

LOL.

Jay B, I attended a Church hall the other day and their was a sign on the wall covering bullying and all forms of abuse.

It said that all forms of abuse should be immediately reported to...wait for it...The preacher...They haven't learnt a thing!

No mention of the police just the Preacher.

That wasn't a Catholic Church either.

Reporting it to people in the Church was what gave the Churches the ability to handle things internally and cover up the crimes.

I couldn't believe it!

Issy...You claim you want equality for everyone under the law but you don't really. You are being deceitful again.

Does your deceit know no bounds?

The courts have always had the right to vary sentences and outcomes for those convicted. We whites have been given plenty of leniency if you check the facts. How many whites have committed crimes whilst on bail over the years?

Aborigines in some areas have been incarcerated much more often and treated much more harshly because they are poor and they are disadvantaged.

The statistics prove this and you want to ignore it?

Stop pretending! Once again your agenda isn't equality under the law, you have a conspiracy theory mentality and it shows continually.

I hope you check under your bed each night...There might be reds, or even aborigines under there...lmao

Op2,

I admire you greatly too.

I've read that one of the prominent reasons for aboriginal youth crime is the result of chronic ear infections.

Aboriginal communities are more prone to ear infections than white ones so children find it difficult to learn, leave school early and fall into illegal practices - just like youth crime in disadvantaged white communities but with added disadvantage thrown into the mix.

Areas where the Welfare card has been introduced have also seen a huge increase in break-and-enter and general theft offences.

I realise it's not as simplistic as that but some of the opinions mentioned above would be more at home at sites like Stormfront than here.

JF Au

Truth is stranger than fiction.

How would Mr everyday Australian know WTF goes on?

As a "Last Nation person"
I feel that our legal system has for two hundred odd years been stacked against "First Nation people."
If you are a newly arrived migrant such as Sudanese ,Indian or a Muslim you are likely to get away with murder in Victoria.
In Melton last month.A Sudanese woman was given 80 hours of community service (sitting in an op shop for punishment.) for the murder of an Australian schoolboy.
She had her licence suspended but continued to drive her four wheel drive.
When she left court she gave the finger to the media.
If she had been a "first Nation" person she would be locked up for years.

So true, Diver Dan.

Brock,

Not quite correct, she was never charged with murder so she wasn't convicted of murder an therefore didn't murder anyone.
She was convicted of unlicenced driving and as a mother of seven, the sentence seems appropriate.