Toni,

I'm willing to discuss sensible gun control any time and good law based on evidence, not emotion.

Tell me do you think that it is reasonable for shooters to collect fired cases at the range and sell the brass to scrap metal dealers?
Do you think that possessing a fired case is OK?

The money goes towards trophies etc.
99% of such brass is non-reloadable .22rf and is absolutely inert, just scrap.

Under our "uniform" firearm laws possession of fired cases is legal in all but one State, in Western Australia it is an offence to possess even one empty, fired, inert useless cartridge case.

That's only one of the stupidities.

SR and TL,

Dinner Tally's idiotically unsupported claim was targeted at the greens' faithful, comfortably sited in the inner cities and far from the country fires where the Greens are as popular as syphilis. The Greens policies making it difficult to back burn or cut away growth near houses are responsible for a large portion of the loses and deaths.

Clearly, Australian's are catching on to the arrogance, intolerance and complete lack of humanity of the Greens which is why they were beaten in Batman and thrashed in SA and Tassie.

Wrong Toni Lavis. Like Howards effort, any likely future increase in gun control is only going to leave the good guys defenceless, & the baddies armed to the teeth, with the flood of smuggled guns.

While border control, & the federal police are so incompetent, there is no likelihood of any reduction of the flow of illegal weapons.

//I'm willing to discuss sensible gun control any time and good law based on evidence//

No you aren't. Remember the recent discussion we had about the latest school shooting in the US? And how you were completely unwilling to discuss gun control? Because I do, even if your memory ain't so good.

//Tell me do you think that it is reasonable for shooters to collect fired cases at the range and sell the brass to scrap metal dealers?
Do you think that possessing a fired case is OK?//

Yes to both.

What does this have to do with the ridiculous ease with which one can obtain firearms in the US?

//The Greens policies making it difficult to back burn or cut away growth near houses are responsible for a large portion of the loses and deaths.//

The Greens aren't in Government, Shadow. They don't get to set policies.

//Like Howards effort, any likely future increase in gun control is only going to leave the good guys defenceless, & the baddies armed to the teeth//

Goodies and baddies? Jesus Christ. Shakespeare definitely had it right.

'Last scene of all,
That ends this strange eventful history,
Is second childishness...'

You're right, though, that the criminal classes are unlikely to be any more concerned with gun control laws. But they're not the ones committing the types of massacres that we see in the US. Steven Paddock, who carried out the Las Vegas massacre, had nothing worse in his record than minor traffic violations. Nikolas Cruz, who carried the Stoneman Douglas High School massacre, didn't have a criminal record at all. Neither did the Columbine High School shooters, nor the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooter, nor the Virginia Tech Shooter... the list goes on.

Most of the shooting that criminals do is at other criminals. Career criminals are in the business for personal gain, and shooting another criminal often represents a sound business decision. Shooting up a cinema, school, nightclub, concert etc. does not represent a sound business decision: it represents death by cop or a life/death sentence. The people that carry out those sort of shootings are the ones that are peaceful and law-abiding, people who would make it onto your 'goodies' list and therefore be allowed guns... right up until the point at which they murder a large number of people.

Tony, for once I agree with you on guns! However the Marxist Socialist Greens are openly racist and inhumane.