“Shame on the Greens for using tragedy and disaster to push their agenda — how typical and bloody-minded,” Mr McCormack said."

http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/richard-di-natale-has-been-slammed-for-politicising-the-bushfire-tragedies/news-story/fc7accc50f284225e740039d9440147d

Di Natali, current Greens leader, is facing internal criticism over the Greens' candidate's poor shewing in the Batman by-election.

Whether its mass gun killings in the US, or a terrible bushfire in Australia, the "sensitive" Tories like Issy, fain trite indignation whenever reference is made to possible causes. They simply do not want to know about any causes that might expose their own short comings. Someone get the smelling salts for poor Issy, he's just fainted!

Dear Is Mise,

Were you being insensitive or just plain stupid when you used the tragedy of the gunning down of school kids to push your agenda of arming teachers?

As to the fires it is surprising that we are experiencing extensive and destructive fires so late in the season, a predicted consequence of global warming.

Here is a list of major fires in victoria since 1851;

http://www.cfa.vic.gov.au/about/major-fires

How many do you see starting in the second half of March?

Yes.

&

Yes.

Steele,

"Were you being insensitive or just plain stupid when you used the tragedy of the gunning down of school kids to push your agenda of arming teachers?"

What a contemptible question.

//"Were you being insensitive or just plain stupid when you used the tragedy of the gunning down of school kids to push your agenda of arming teachers?"

What a contemptible question.//

I think it's a quite a reasonable question. Certainly no more or less contemptible than your question about the greens, which you were quite happy to ask.

Your attempt to duck it, however, leaves much to be desired. -10 points for Slytherin.

And for those of you playing at home, the correct answer to Steele's question is 'yes'.

Steele,

"In 2007, a study by the CSIRO (the national government body for scientific research in Australia), found evidence that climate change will lead to increases in very high and extreme fire danger rating days and earlier onset of the fire season..."

Note: '...earlier onset of the fire season...".

Toni,

In case you didn't notice my advocacy of arming teachers and other responsible people at schools is aimed at saving lives;

see:http://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/20/us/shooting-school-maryland.html

Meanwhile, there are allegations of Greens councillors ringing Tathra with fire hazards, thus allowing Di Nastoly to mount an unburnt stump for another of his thrilling speeches.

Dear Is Mise,

Lord save us from those less blessed with common sense. Come on mate, engage the brain for once. Extended warmer weather through summer will impact both ends of the season so yes it will indeed mean an earlier onset but equally a delayed tapering into Autumn.

From the quoted study;

“Taken together, the model results suggest that fire seasons will start earlier and end slightly later, while being generally more intense throughout their length.”
http://www.cmar.csiro.au/e-print/open/2007/hennesseykj_c.pdf

Remember though this prediction was over a decade ago. It has since been confirmed as happening;

“The annual 90th percentile of daily FFDI points has increased since 1974 across Australia, especially in southern and eastern Australia, and the fire season has lengthened.”
http://www.csiro.au/~/media/OnA/Files/StateOfTheClimate2016_24ppReport_WEB.pdf

Isn't it surprising that since the ratbag greens have managed to reduce & even prevent preventative burning of bush, with their constant propaganda that bush fires have become more deadly & harder to manage.

A ratbag green council even fined a bloke for clearing bush back to a safe distance from his home. They did not even have the decency to apologise when his home was one of very few to survive the last lot.

Fortunately the public appear to be wising up to these fools, their tactics, & crazy ideology, hence recent election results. Like the Democrats before them, they will fold up & disappear some time soon, but will cause more destruction & heart ache to the innocent before then unfortunately.

Steele,

As Hasbeen said above there are other factors, such as the Greens and their stupid resistance to hazard reduction which was amply demonstrated in the very bad Victorian fires.

A lot of the South Coast of NSW is at risk because of Green stupidity and NSW Government stupidity in not overriding dangerous council decisions.

I suppose it was just an oversight on your part that you didn't mention both ends of the spectrum, not knowledge gained when you looked a little deeper?

//In case you didn't notice my advocacy of arming teachers and other responsible people at schools is aimed at saving lives//

No, it's aimed at providing a smokescreen to obfuscate the absence of action on gun control, and to provide a convenient talking point to steer the conversation towards whenever anybody raises the subject of gun control. I was not born yesterday, Is Mise.

If you're so concerned about saving lives, why is it that you're never, ever willing to discuss gun control even though we have plenty of empirical data demonstrating it's effectiveness, instead dismissing it out of hand and plowing ahead with your insistence that what's needed to solve this gun problem is more guns? That's not the behaviour of somebody whose chief concern is the preservation of life, and damn the cost in guns. It's the behaviour of somebody whose chief concern is preservation of the right to bear arms, and damn the cost in human life.

Toni,

I'm willing to discuss sensible gun control any time and good law based on evidence, not emotion.

Tell me do you think that it is reasonable for shooters to collect fired cases at the range and sell the brass to scrap metal dealers?
Do you think that possessing a fired case is OK?

The money goes towards trophies etc.
99% of such brass is non-reloadable .22rf and is absolutely inert, just scrap.

Under our "uniform" firearm laws possession of fired cases is legal in all but one State, in Western Australia it is an offence to possess even one empty, fired, inert useless cartridge case.

That's only one of the stupidities.

SR and TL,

Dinner Tally's idiotically unsupported claim was targeted at the greens' faithful, comfortably sited in the inner cities and far from the country fires where the Greens are as popular as syphilis. The Greens policies making it difficult to back burn or cut away growth near houses are responsible for a large portion of the loses and deaths.

Clearly, Australian's are catching on to the arrogance, intolerance and complete lack of humanity of the Greens which is why they were beaten in Batman and thrashed in SA and Tassie.

Wrong Toni Lavis. Like Howards effort, any likely future increase in gun control is only going to leave the good guys defenceless, & the baddies armed to the teeth, with the flood of smuggled guns.

While border control, & the federal police are so incompetent, there is no likelihood of any reduction of the flow of illegal weapons.

//I'm willing to discuss sensible gun control any time and good law based on evidence//

No you aren't. Remember the recent discussion we had about the latest school shooting in the US? And how you were completely unwilling to discuss gun control? Because I do, even if your memory ain't so good.

//Tell me do you think that it is reasonable for shooters to collect fired cases at the range and sell the brass to scrap metal dealers?
Do you think that possessing a fired case is OK?//

Yes to both.

What does this have to do with the ridiculous ease with which one can obtain firearms in the US?

//The Greens policies making it difficult to back burn or cut away growth near houses are responsible for a large portion of the loses and deaths.//

The Greens aren't in Government, Shadow. They don't get to set policies.

//Like Howards effort, any likely future increase in gun control is only going to leave the good guys defenceless, & the baddies armed to the teeth//

Goodies and baddies? Jesus Christ. Shakespeare definitely had it right.

'Last scene of all,
That ends this strange eventful history,
Is second childishness...'

You're right, though, that the criminal classes are unlikely to be any more concerned with gun control laws. But they're not the ones committing the types of massacres that we see in the US. Steven Paddock, who carried out the Las Vegas massacre, had nothing worse in his record than minor traffic violations. Nikolas Cruz, who carried the Stoneman Douglas High School massacre, didn't have a criminal record at all. Neither did the Columbine High School shooters, nor the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooter, nor the Virginia Tech Shooter... the list goes on.

Most of the shooting that criminals do is at other criminals. Career criminals are in the business for personal gain, and shooting another criminal often represents a sound business decision. Shooting up a cinema, school, nightclub, concert etc. does not represent a sound business decision: it represents death by cop or a life/death sentence. The people that carry out those sort of shootings are the ones that are peaceful and law-abiding, people who would make it onto your 'goodies' list and therefore be allowed guns... right up until the point at which they murder a large number of people.

Tony, for once I agree with you on guns! However the Marxist Socialist Greens are openly racist and inhumane.

Toni,

"//Tell me do you think that it is reasonable for shooters to collect fired cases at the range and sell the brass to scrap metal dealers?
Do you think that possessing a fired case is OK?//

Yes to both.

What does this have to do with the ridiculous ease with which one can obtain firearms in the US?"

Absolutely nothing to do with the US, but it's a starting point to discuss gun control in Australia, the which doesn't work.

Toni,

"The Greens aren't in Government, Shadow. They don't get to set policies."

They are the power in the local council and they decide about which areas can and can't be cleared, just as in Victoria when they stopped people from clearing dangerous bush from around their homes and did nothing to reduce forest litter in their areas of responsibility.

According to reports in the papers, locals in the area, which includes Tathra, had met recently with the relevant Minister to complain about the build-up of potential bushfire fuel.

Nothing was done.

Di Nastily didn't mention this, did he?

Toni,

You wanted me to discuss 'Gun Control'; what aspect would you like to discuss first?

Breathing control, trigger finger control, stance, or perhaps, using optical or the more traditional forms of sights?

Toni,

IM has it in one. The greens manage to inculcate themselves into local and state governments, where they trade votes on close issues for greenie policies such as the bans on cutting away undergrowth, clearance of fuel away from houses, back burning etc.

That you haven't challenged my statement that the greens are deeply unpopular in rural areas shows that you know this.

In the Black Friday fires, there was an instance where a homeowner was fined $100 000 for clearing the bush around his house, and his house was the only one left standing.

Dear Shadow Minister,

Are you really going to trot out Sheahan as your poster boy on this?

Don't be an idiot. The Sheahan's property was next to a national Park and contained an area of old growth eucalyptus forest. There were other areas on their property but this was what they cleared. why? Because they wanted to run horses on the property. It wasn't about bloody fire reduction at all.

In fact after they chopped down the 250 trees, one or two more than needed for fire protection, they left them in huge piles on the property for years. The council's fire hazard expert inspected the site and deemed the dead trees a hazard. It took efforts from both the CFA and the council who issued and order before some of the fire hazard was finally removed, an action which may well have saved his house when the fires went through 6 months later.

This had been their mindset when neighbouring property owners had complained; “We could not care any less than we do now what any self righteous self appointed ‘green police’ person thinks about what we are doing. It is our place, not theirs. We have owned it since 1982. We paid for it not them and they can go and get stuffed.”

Your kind of people Shadow.

SR

https://www.smh.com.au/national/fined-for-illegal-clearing-family-now-feel-vindicated-20090212-85bd.html

Just going by what was printed in the SMH, the rag prefered by lefties. If you have anything further to support your claims I will happily read them.

The facts are:

1: Sheahan cleared the trees around his property, and got fined for doing so.
2: When the fires came, his house was saved due to the fire break, whilst most of the surrounding houses were burnt to the ground.
3: In recognition of how dangerous the greens' policies were the NSW Rural fire has issued the 10/50 vegetation clearing provision that overrides any council bylaws allowing the clearing of all trees with 10m of houses and all undergrowth within 50m of houses, which the greens are already screeching about.

That is why the greens are so unpopular in the rural areas.

Andrew L. Urban offers his opinion of the Greens in today's Spectator. He thinks that they are:

"Illogical, ignorant, infantile, irrational and irrelevant" They are a "rancid infestation in Australia’s political kitchen, as they proved recently by their risible claims about bushfires and climate change, Australia’s humane response to South Africa’s racist violence against white farmers and the smearing of Senator Jim Molan as a coward and war criminal." And:

"Democracy is not well served by Greens sitting in our parliaments. They debase reasoned debate with their childish rants and demean what little respect we have reserved for our political representatives."

He sums up with:

"Nasty, hateful and ill-informed, the Greens have nothing to offer Australia".

Dear Shadow Minister,

The facts are that the Sheahan's got fined for clearing a vast number of trees including oldgrowth eucalyptus which were under a environmental overlay meant to protect them. It wasn't the Council who took it upon themselves to act but rather a bunch of his neighbours.

The amount of that initial fine? $2,500 and a commitment to do some restorative planting in the overlay zone which was not next to the house. Paltry really for the deed. They originally agreed to do so in 2003 but then told the Shire to get stuffed.

It took more pressure from the adjacent landholders to get the Shire to act again and it seems they did all they could to keep the matter out of the courts but finally that was the only course open to them.

The fact that the Sheahan's had left all the fallen timber where it lay thus creating and even greater fire danger very much worked against them in court. Added to that the magistrate found that their claim of a 'fire barrier' was not plausible because they “only sought to consider exemptions under the Mitchell Planning Scheme after the fact”.

By being so bloody minded they ended up with fines of $15,000 each and had $20,000 in court costs awarded against them when it could have been 5% of that if they had paid as they agreed to do.

They are not honest brokers in this. Best you go find someone else to fly your anti-bush flag.

Anyone who mistakes a TV entertainment show for a real life happening has got to be stupid; hence Sarah Two-Names being known as"Sea Patrol"!

SR,

Firstly, nothing you have quoted contradicts the points that I laid out above:
1: Sheahan cleared the trees around his property, and got fined for doing so.
2: When the fires came, his house was saved due to the fire break, whilst most of the surrounding houses were burnt to the ground.
3: In recognition of how dangerous the greens' policies were the NSW Rural fire has issued the 10/50 vegetation clearing provision that overrides any council bylaws allowing the clearing of all trees with 10m of houses and all undergrowth within 50m of houses.

I also see that you are quoting from Greens website from a statement by a greens councilor which is far from a reliable source.

Also, this Greg Barber claimed that " It is a myth that cutting down trees around your house will make your house safer"

Your kind of idiot.