Senator Cash defended all staffers in the House last week by defending her own staff from insinuations of some improper morals or integrity of her new chief-of-staff, by Senator Cameron. Senator Cameron's ongoing questions relating to staff had clearly been to imply some impropriety.

Staff are not fair game for members as they do not have the same capacity to defend themselves.

Senator Cash did this firstly by telling him that her staff were none of his business and secondly by informing him that if he persisted she would name names and details of staff rumors relating to Mr Shortens office. So now Cameron, and Labor, have been warned and it will be interesting to see if Cameron has the balls to go on with that line.

I am sorry she withdrew the statement, but Labor got the message and no apology required for issuing a warning.

You and Turnbull are probably the only people to side with her, Banjo. The woman is a screeching fish wife, unfit for the cabinet. As a talk back radio host said, 'Looks like a model, sounds like a wharfie.

//As a talk back radio host said, 'Looks like a model, sounds like a wharfie.//

A model of what? A gargoyle? A 'laughing clown'?

Dear Banjo,

You wrote;

“Senator Cash defended all staffers in the House last week by defending her own staff from insinuations of some improper morals or integrity of her new chief-of-staff, by Senator Cameron. Senator Cameron's ongoing questions relating to staff had clearly been to imply some impropriety.”

Absolute codswhallop.

Here is the Hansard transcript.

http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;adv=yes;db=COMMITTEES;id=committees%2Festimate%2F93bafed0-e7d4-4d21-95ae-6c37fbc17350%2F0002;orderBy=customrank;page=0;query=Dataset%3AcomSen,estimate%20Dataset_Phrase%3A%22estimate%22;rec=0;resCount=Default

You find me where on earth Cameron was impugning the morals of Cash's staff. His questions were in light of the leak into the AWU investigation by one of her staff who ultimately resigned. His questions were about the replacement and what political baggage they would be bringing to the role.

Fact: There are rightful questions about the conduct of her office and she should be held to account for them.

Cash didn't like it and went directly to the supposed “ improper morals or integrity” of Shorten's staff who aren't under any investigation like her own. Disgusrting.

For you to defend her does not reflect well of your own morals my friend.

ttbn,
You should read properly what Cash said and Cameron making implications and insinuating some untoward conduct by Cash's staff.

Cash very effectively said to Cameron, 'Either put up or shut up or I will get down and fight dirty with you'. Cameron was out of line in relation to staff. Cash has called Cameron out and I suspect he will slink back into his hole rather than risk embarrassing his boss. But a win for the staffers in the House.

Pity that as I think Cash could lob some big bombs in Labor's court. With about 3000 staff in the place, I expect she could find plenty of explosive bombs.

It's a pity that our Members of Parliament have
to stoop to this level of debate. - no matter
whether provoked or not. It's toxic for
all concerned and as Ministers they should be
professional enough not to have these "mental
snaps" in Parliament. Bad look. And a Poor show.
Perhaps they're in the wrong job - or need
better training and certainly self-control.

SteeleRedux is absolutely correct with their comments on this topic...and LOOK! They also provided the evidence to support their case.

You will note that Cash (a female) was going to name only females in her scurrilous threat.

From the record - Senator Cash: Again, Senator Cameron, you would normally not discuss staff matters, for very obvious reasons. I mean, if you want to start discussing staff matters, be very, very careful, because I'm happy to sit here and NAME EVERY YOUNG WOMAN in Mr Shorten's office over which rumours in this place abound. If you want to go down that path today, I will do it.

What? Cash doesn't know any rumours about men in parliament she would like to out or spread?

And to think she was once the Minister for Women...lol

We all know Turnbull is as weak as water, but this was a classic "Let me shoot myself in the foot moment" by Cash and once again it has made Turnbull look even "weaker than water" if that is possible...lol

And then she gets shielded from the media by security using screens... Unbelievably infantile behaviour.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/politics/federal-politics/under-fire-senator-michaelia-cash-screens-herself-from-the-media-using-whiteboard-ng-b88761124z

Like Joyce she has to go... But is Turnbull tough enough to do it immediately when he should have... NOPE!

This will drag out for a few more days or so and then hopefully he will develop the intestinal fortitude to practise what he preached the week before on work standards in Parliament house.

Maybe he could create a new department and make Cash the Minister of Rumour Spreading....But only about female staffers... lmao

What a pathetic example again showing all that is wrong with our parliament and our parliamentarians!

Dear Opinionated2,

It was so out of kilter with what had come before her comment.

From Hansard

Senator CAMERON: Have you employed a replacement?

Senator Cash: Have I employed a replacement what?

Senator CAMERON: A replacement for your chief of staff.

Senator Cash: Yes, I have, but the person has not yet commenced.

Senator CAMERON: Who is that?

Senator Cash: Well, it's none of your business, quite frankly, who it is. You don't normally name staff, Senator Cameron. We go down a very dangerous line when you start naming staff.

Senator CAMERON: Senator, you know—you've been around for such a long time and you're supposed to be a lawyer—that anything that deals with public expenditure is a legitimate area to ask a question on, and that's what I'm asking.

Senator PATERSON: A point of order.

Senator Cash: The particular person has not yet commenced in my office, so there is no public expenditure involved.

Senator CAMERON: Has it been—

Senator PATERSON: A point of order, Chair: it's certainly a well-accepted convention in Senate committees that staff are not unnecessarily or needlessly named where it's not relevant, and I can't see what the relevance is here of this person's identity being revealed.

Senator CAMERON: Did this person who you won't name come from the department or one of the regulatory agencies that you oversee?

Senator Cash: No.

Senator CAMERON: Your new chief of staff, will he or she come from some other Liberal political office?

Senator Cash: Senator Cameron, again, this person is well qualified and has been taken on board because of their skill set that they will bring to my office.

Senator CAMERON: It's a simple question. I'm simply asking. Did he come from another Liberal office—he or she?

End quote.

Then bang she was into it. There is absolutely no case to be made that she was "defending her own staff from insinuations of some improper morals or integrity of her new chief-of-staff" as the OP asserted. The very definition of a partisan hack.

You are absolutely correct again SR... Not even the crazy right wing loons on here have jumped on Banjo's side.

Top Effort Banjo... You could teach "How to isolate yourself in 1 easy lesson classes" and have Cash as your guest speaker. You could both try to remove each others feet from your own mouths..lmao

So what does your foot taste like Banjo?...lmao

From what I know of office rumours is that they are 90% of the time they are pretty accurate. That staffers work in a pressure cooker environment, and seldom get to see other people means that generally, they are shagging each other.

Of course, this is really no one's business unless of course you are labor and can make political capital of it.

That Senator Carr called a lib senator a Nazi which is far worse seems to have slipped under the radar.

whether it Bishop, Payne or Cash it shows you why quotas would be a diaster. And then we look at the Labour women and it gets worse.

runner, I'm not sure I follow your logic. It looks like you think their terrible performance is the result of them being women! Are you really that sexist?\
If not, what exactly do you mean?

Senator Cash needs to grow up. I was horrified at her response; most unseemly for an experienced Parliamentarian. Those who are bright and busy have no truck with gossip. They just walk away. Another example of the poorly led Liberal Party. All the makeup and dressup in the world does not make a silk purse out of a pig's ear.

Aiden until you define what you mean by sexist or racist your comments are just pc garbage. The left usually are totally bereft when it comes to policy and substance but well skilled in labels like sexism, racism etc.

>until you define what you mean by sexist or racist your comments are just pc garbage

runner, them thar's fighting' words!

And stop trying to obfuscate the issue by requesting definitions of words that weren't in contention! If you think the terrible performance of Bishop, Payne and Cash was because they are women, you are sexist; there's no semantic wiggle room.

Likewise with those on the opposition benches.

Oh look the right wing loons have joined in...lmao

To use Runner and logic in the same sentence is near impossible to do but well done Aiden - Runner in everything defies logic.

This is an open and shut case of Cash getting it 100% wrong...The evidence is in writing - in Hansard.

Cash (a woman), acting totally in a vindictive, mean spirited way, threatened to expose some rumours about the women who work in Shorten's office in attempt to stop a simple question of where her new head of staff came from and what was their background.

There was no need to name the new staff member which she correctly refused to do.

THEN THE WHEELS FELL OFF!

Cash lost her temper and decided that threatening to spread rumours about women was her only line of defense when she should have simply answered the questions.

And what was the tough question that caused her to lose all perspective and launch into her vindictive tirade?

Senator CAMERON: It's a simple question. I'm simply asking. Did he come from another Liberal office—he or she?

If a man had said what she said he would have been rightly lambasted...but coming from a woman - Sorry that is entirely outof line.

That's why you should never be biased in your political views... As can be seen from this thread - all logic is lost when you start defending the indefensible...lmao

"Labor's Kim Carr is the latest senator who has been forced to apologise and withdraw offensive remarks during an Estimates hearing, after suggesting Liberal James Paterson would have been part of the Hitler Youth movement."

When the left whingers in this thread acknowledge the vastly worse comment by Kim Carr, then the rest of us might take their crocodile tears seriously.

Carr seems to have no self-respect and, therefore, is incapable of extending respect to others.

SM The title of this thread is "Senator Cash should be congratulated" not Carr did the wrong thing.

So why would anyone have commented on Carr's stupid and outrageous Nazi Youth comment?

You have now introduced it and so I have no problem with criticising it.

The problem is you have introduced Carr's stupidity to distract people away from what Cash said on a thread that is specifically about Cash.

So your "left whingers" comment is simply proving your pathetic skills at debating.

Try debating with honest intentions and maybe we would take you more seriously...lmao

Nice try though! lmao

Opinionated2,

Firstly I introduced Carr's obscene comment, that occurred in the same Senate meeting, well before you joined the thread, and if your debating skills are so feeble that you don't realise that comparing and contrasting one incident with an almost identical incident is a rational debating strategy used in many forums, I would suggest that you polish your skills before you expose your ineptitude further.

Secondly, it was not Carr's first time calling libs Nazi's so it is far more than just stupidity and is by any measure worse than Cash's implication on Shorten's staff.

SM... Yes you did introduce it earlier but as usual you have missed the point.

The topic here is outrageously "Senator Cash should be congratulated"

Your aim wasn't to compare and contrast.. Your aim was to divert the attention away from the Cash debate.

Stop misrepresenting your intent!

You are a conservative stooge so stop pretending to be rational...

You stated "Of course, this is really no one's business unless of course you are labor and can make political capital of it.

That Senator Carr called a lib senator a Nazi which is far worse seems to have slipped under the radar."

You once again misrepresent the facts...Is honesty not one of your skill sets?

Carr said Those in the Hitler Youth [points at Paterson] would understand that only too well.

To which Paterson rightly replied "That's outrageous Senator Carr, that is seriously offensive. I ask that you withdraw that.

Carr said "I was being facetious don't be silly."

To which Paterson replied "It's not being facetious. Accusing someone of being a Nazi is a very serious thing, it's appalling.

Carr finally says "If you took offence, I withdraw it."

Carr was totally out of line but then withdrew it!

To say that was worse than what Cash said defies logic! Carr withdrew it correctly very quickly without being asked at the time.

Cash needed to be asked by Penny Wong and then she finally withdrew the comment.

Carr said it and pointed at a person there to defend himself... Cash said it against women who weren't there to defend themselves. Carr's was an improper direct attack... Cash's comments were an outrageous slur against the women in Shorten's office.

The facts get in the way of your argument...Both Cash and Carr should be suspended for their comments!

Once again proving when you are biased, like you are, you can never make a correct argument...lmao

OOPs Paterson did ask Carr to withdraw the comment...interveneing correctly for himself. Sorry I got interrupted when replying and missed that...

So I guess the question really is... Should both Carr and Cash be removed from Parliament completely for unparliamentary conduct?

I say YES!

So now back to Cash so you can't divert the topic any further...

Senator Cash said : Again, Senator Cameron, you would normally not discuss staff matters, for very obvious reasons. I mean, if you want to start discussing staff matters, be very, very careful, because I'm happy to sit here and NAME EVERY YOUNG WOMAN in Mr Shorten's office over which rumours in this place abound. If you want to go down that path today, I will do it.

If you think demeaning all the women who work in Bill Shorten's office by threatening that she will name and further spread rumours against these women is reasonable then you need your head read!

Remember the ex "Minister for Women" Cash outrageously said this when the people weren't there to defend themselves!

No rumours about men...only women.

This is exactly the worst position against women you would expect from a sexist male and yet it was a woman who said it!

If you don't see that this is worse than Carr's ridiculous comment then you simply aren't thinking.

Nevermind... Biases will do that to you as you are showing!

OP2

Now we can all see that you are a left whinge troll. The moment you lose control of a discussion you revert to ad hominem insults.

Only an idiot would believe the headline of the thread is the sole content to be discussed, and if it was, you too have already strayed.

Finally, you admitted that Carr essentially called the lib senator a Nazi which is far worse than intimating that there are rumours about someone's staff, but are unable to address the elephant in the room which is the cacophony that surrounds a blunder by liberal but ignores far worse coming from Labor.

Oh dear God!

Dear Shadow Minister,

Are you really that divorced from reality that you think one Senator calling another a Nazi is in an way comparable to what Cash did? Partisan hack is too kind.

The very rules that pulled up Senator Cameron from finding out the name of Cash's new staffer are in place to protect staff from the cut and thrust of politics. Why? Because they do not have the opportunity to defend themselves and because that is not what they signed up for unlike people who go into public office where a thick skin is mandatory.

Cash disgraced herself and for you to try and deflect from her crimes is reprehensible.

However implying or associating someone with the Nazis is indeed well below parliamentary standards so I am sure you would have raised this when Abbott called Shorten "Dr Goebbels of economic policy"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr4Ro2I-y6I

Are you able to point me to your posts on Abbott's slur?

Time to give it a rest mate.

//which is far worse than intimating that there are rumours about someone's staff//

It was a little more than that, mate. We've all the seen the comments:

"I mean, if you want to start discussing staff matters, be very, very careful, because I'm happy to sit here and name every young woman in Mr Shorten's office over which rumours in this place abound. If you want to go down that path today, I will do it."

Those remarks are truly disgusting. Gossipy, sniping hags like Cash give the rest of her gender a bad name. She was happy to name, on public record and with no more basis than hearsay and rumour, a whole bunch of women who'd her no wrong other than work in the office of an MP from the opposing party.

Did the daft bitch fail to comprehend that the young women who work in political offices might have friends and family who might be a little bit upset about some nasty dried-up old skank threatening to slut-shame them with no evidence? Or did she just not think before she opened her ridiculously large mouth?

The fact that you think I am a left winger proves your total ignorance SM.

It is more likely with your choice of name calling that you are a right wing puppet SM...lol

What is it like being led around by your nose never actually putting your brain into gear?...lol

You really are irrelevant... You have no clue how absolutely outrageous cash's vexatious comments are...to the women concerned and to all women.

Let me guess... You have voted right wing all your life and you believe women are second rate citizens...lol

Now Carr didn't actually call Paterson a Nazi... There is no virtually to it.

Hitler Youth were a bunch of kids led by their noses by evil men and were indoctrinated to believe that they were members of the master race. To call them Nazis is really to ignore the facts.

They were kids being misled by evil adults... It's probably the same as you when you were young being misled and believing right wing propaganda so that you can get the importance on this issue so wrong.

I'm not defending Carr... Personally I have never liked the man... He has an ugly arrogance to him and what he said was outrageous also.

It's OK you obviously aren't the smartest tool in the shed... lmao

Now go back to your propaganda pages and stop making yourself look ridiculous on here...lmao

Don't worry about the maligned females isolated in Cash's outrageous sexist comments... We'll defend right from wrong. We don't need little backward thinking people like you to assist us...lmao

OP2

Actually, it was you who cast the first stone metaphorically in calling me "a conservative stooge" which pinned you as a left whinge shrill. So maybe you should read your own posts so that you don't cock it up again.

Carr referring to those from the "Hitler youth" while pointing at Patterson is calling Patterson a Nazi to all but the most obtuse and deceitful.

SR and TL,

I agree, calling a senator a member of a group responsible for mass genocide is way worse than insinuating that an accused rapist's staff were doing exactly the same as Barnaby Joyce's staff.

SM...You are wrong as usual...lol

I was defending people against your comment regarding "left whingers" not because I am a lefty but because they are correct on this issue and you are WRONG! Still and again!

If I called you a "Conservative Stooge"or "a right wing stooge" doesn't make me left wing... It just makes me accurate...lmao

Previously, you claimed you introduced Carr before I joined the thread... WRONG AGAIN!

Obviously accuracy isn't one of your strengths...

So back to the real point avoiding your pathetic distractions...

You will note that Cash (a female) was going to name only females in her scurrilous threat.

From the record - Senator Cash: Again, Senator Cameron, you would normally not discuss staff matters, for very obvious reasons. I mean, if you want to start discussing staff matters, be very, very careful, because I'm happy to sit here and NAME EVERY YOUNG WOMAN in Mr Shorten's office over which rumours in this place abound. If you want to go down that path today, I will do it.

What? Cash doesn't know any rumours about men in parliament she would like to out or spread?

And to think she was once the Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for Women...lol

If Turnbull had any courage he would sack her immediately!

OP2

Calling you a left whinge troll makes me accurate, as your record of shouting labor talking points and insulting people is well established.

No SM it simply shows you to be an ignoramus!

The talking points you claim are the direct quotes from Hansard that proves Cash was out of line... The same as you are proving me correct with every post.

Know when you are beaten... And you are beaten!

From the record - Senator Cash: Again, Senator Cameron, you would normally not discuss staff matters, for very obvious reasons. I mean, if you want to start discussing staff matters, be very, very careful, because I'm happy to sit here and NAME EVERY YOUNG WOMAN in Mr Shorten's office over which rumours in this place abound. If you want to go down that path today, I will do it.

No ifs, no buts, no distractions... Cash's comment here shows her true nature... She aint a nice person!

Now back to your right wing propaganda sites oh defeated one...lmao

Dear Shadow Minister,

You wrote;

“I agree, calling a senator a member of a group responsible for mass genocide is way worse than insinuating that an accused rapist's staff were doing exactly the same as Barnaby Joyce's staff.”

You also wrote;

“Adam Bandt is a smaller version of Adolf Hitler, with the same slick dark hair.”

Clown.

So Shadow Minister used the same tactics as Carr on another thread but Carr is the only one who should be outed...lmao

OMG! SM... You now have absolutely no credibility whatsoever!...lmao

Do you remember typing it SM?

“Adam Bandt is a smaller version of Adolf Hitler, with the same slick dark hair.”

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6546#196470

Then when called to account you pretend that you are only talking about the hairstyle.. Wasn't that what Carr was doing?

You mentioned the hair but it is your first words that prove you to be incapable of any trust whatsoever...“Adam Bandt is a smaller version of Adolf Hitler,"...

You typed it and it can't be undone...lmao

As I have said earlier what Carr said was outrageous... and you are the same except you are a complete hypocrite as well!

Well done SteeleRedux - You have now shown Shadow Minister to have less than zero credibility...lmao

Time to stop typing SM... You have provided your own evidence proving you are a complete right wing buffoon!

Excellent work SR...

OP2,

Another ad hominem? I guess you must be trying to compensate for something. 5'2"? Small dick? I wonder?

SR,

Wow, you had to go back nearly 4 years and then only post a snippet out of context. I guess that you "forgot" to post the link which would have shown you to be a mendacious clown.

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6546#196445

It was in response to:

"Abbot is a bit like a lighter and slimmer version of Idi Amin, more huff and puff than anything else"

and I continued with "and if you want to carry on playing games I will happily use the same tactics on your "holy" icons"

So another epic fail.

Oh you poor thing Shadow... Your defense is the childish one of "he did it first"..lmao

Time to get out of the playground and become an adult SM...lmao

You show your objections by doing exactly the same thing in return...lmao Very grown up behaviour... Are you for real?

The fact is at an earlier time you did a similar thing to Carr and yet only Carr is accountable. It doesn't matter that it was 4 years ago .. you did it!

Your exact words no matter what you say were...

“Adam Bandt is a smaller version of Adolf Hitler,...

And now you have become a keyboard hero being brave with the immature approach on height and size issues. Coward!

If I was standing in front of you, trust me, you wouldn't be brave enough to say what you said...lmao Is that the depth of your bravery?...lmao

But again...I'll take the high ground and just say... You are a complete failure and right wing stooge! But well worth laughing at...lol

Remember it was Cash who said...

Again, Senator Cameron, you would normally not discuss staff matters, for very obvious reasons. I mean, if you want to start discussing staff matters, be very, very careful, because I'm happy to sit here and NAME EVERY YOUNG WOMAN in Mr Shorten's office over which rumours in this place abound. If you want to go down that path today, I will do it.

No ifs, no buts, no distractions... Cash's comment here shows her true nature... She isn't a nice person.

So keep up the good work hypocrite...lol

You failed epically again...lmao

Dear Shadow Minister,

You talk about going back 4 years as though it was a big thing. All I did was click that little person icon underneath your name, clicked the “View complete Comment History for Shadow Minister” , then f5 for search and typed in Hitler. Took all of 2 minutes to expose your hypocrisy.

As to context I was hoping you would raise this exact point. You are on record as saying the crimes of Stalin outstripped those of Hitler. You are also on record as saying Lenin was just as bad as Stalin.

Senator Patterson sneeringly linked Senator Carr to the Russian Revolution who returned the jibe by linking Patterson to the Hitler youth. Looks very much like a mirror copy of the context you are using to defend your reprehensible comments.

What is the difference between you and Carr?

Goose.

SteeleRedux you are a gem...Well done!...You researched and presented the evidence brilliantly.

Shadow Minister is the perfect example of the biased mind...It is corrupt and will only see the one side...their side!

From the record - Senator Cash: Again, Senator Cameron, you would normally not discuss staff matters, for very obvious reasons. I mean, if you want to start discussing staff matters, be very, very careful, because I'm happy to sit here and NAME EVERY YOUNG WOMAN in Mr Shorten's office over which rumours in this place abound. If you want to go down that path today, I will do it.

How many women's reputations were potentially smeared with Cash's comment?

Were the women there to defend themselves?...NOPE!

Should a person...(let alone a woman)...in Senator Cash's position ever go down that road? NOPE!

What was Senator Paterson's motive when he asked : What about the Russian Revolution?

When questioned on his motive he hid behind the joking line...

Senator PATERSON: I was joking about revolutions.

Senator PATERSON: I was joking about revolutions. I didn’t call you a Nazi.

And Carr didn't call Paterson a Nazi...

Senator KIM CARR: I could tell you that too. - You would know that — those in the Hitler Youth would understand that only too well.

So it is all pretty unsavoury and unparliamentary - So what was Senator Paterson's intent when he asked about the Russian Revolution?

Maybe he can dish it out but can't take it...

So did Paterson misrepresent the facts in his objections... Carr didn't call him a Nazi!

It was a pecker fight between two boys being paid our money in a meeting.

But of course people like Shadow Minister will only tell their side of the story never letting the facts get in the way of the misrepresentations they are spreading.

So Shadow Minister...Was Senator Cash wrong to say "I'm happy to sit here and NAME EVERY YOUNG WOMAN in Mr Shorten's office over which rumours in this place abound."?

If a man said it he would be referred to as a sexist pig... and rightly so!

SR,

Actually, you are making my point, many senators have engaged in extended hyperbole, and when called out on it retract their comments and that is the end of it.

That Carr retracted his obscene comment, and Cash retracted her innuendo was the end of it with the exception of the bed wetting offenderatti.

As for my past comment, my post was:

"Paul,

Adam Bandt is a smaller version of Adolf Hitler, with the same slick dark hair.

We both know that the comparison with Idi Amin, was not primarily for his oratory style, and if you want to carry on playing games I will happily use the same tactics on your "holy" icons, as it seems to engender exactly the reaction in you that you were seeking from others.

If you take things seriously, then I will too."

If you and your impotent wingman OP2 want to continue to make something out of it that was clearly not intended then you are the worst of hypocrites.

Dear Shadow Minister,

No you don't old chap. This was not your point at all until you got exposed.

You called Carr's comments as “far worse”, “vastly worse”, “far more than just stupidity”, “way worse” all very good examples of a 'bed wetting offenderatti'.

What really is far worse is to refer to someone directly as Hilter as you did rather than just as belonging to the Hilter Youth.

At least the trade marked Shadow Minister 'high dudgeon' seems to have disappeared this time.

Time to stop digging, the hole is big enough already.

SR,

I still stand by my first statement that claiming someone is part of the Hitler youth is far worse than some vague innuendo wrt the accused rapist's staff.

That you have managed to dig up my comparison of Bandt's physical likeness to Hitler in response to Paul's comparison of Abbott to Idi Amin is immaterial. Just weeks ago you were calling Molan a war criminal with absolutely zero evidence which is the height of hypocrisy.

You modus operandi is to pick some trivial unconnected issue and conflate it which is exactly what you are trying to do here.

PS Lenin and Stalin between them butchered nearly 20m of their own citizens purely for political expediency before WW2 which makes Hitler silver medalist in genocide, with the bronze going to Mao.

Dear Shadow Minister,

I have already attempted to explain to you the difference between two senators exchanging jibes and the cowardly attacking of the reputations of parliamentary staff who do not have the platform to defend themselves.

That you continue to insist on some sort of equivalence is utterly cynical and contemptible.

Molan is also a senator. He has been directly accused of having forces under his command which committed numerous war crimes. As the 'Command Responsibility Doctrine' dictates he can be held held to account.

Remembering Fallujah: The War Crimes Committed under Command of Jim Molan and Jim Mattis
http://ahtribune.com/world/asia-pacific/2130-jim-molan.html

As you have used the label accused rapist then I assume you will have little difficulty with me using accused war criminal in the future or won't your hypocrisy permit it?

SR,

Perhaps all the female staffers named by Senator Cash whose reputations were damaged can seek some redress. Wait! that = zero, unless you believe in collective guilt?

Actually, I don't seek equivalence, as the accusation by Carr was far worse.

With regards Molan, when someone has actually filed charges against him then you can call him accused, not on the basis of a fuzzy polemic by a left whinge activist who compares Nethanjahu to Adolf Hitler.

Many people from the Labor Party have been calling Barnaby Joyce a hypocrite, as he spoke of traditional marriage while having an affair. While they agree that politicians' private lives should be kept private, they argued that Mr Joyce positioned himself as a moral guardian and that made it OK to scrutinise his conduct in his personal life.
Those Labor Party people are, themselves, making moral judgements and setting themselves up as holier than thou. We have the right to ask whether their conduct lives up to their own high standards. I have no doubt that many politicians, from all parties, have ended up in bed with staffers. Some of these staffers may have seemed to have benefitted, professionally. Furthermore, Ms Cash would at least be aware of rumors.
The tone of her outburst was unbecoming of a political leader. However, she made a valid point.

That this was Labor beat up has been proven by the Labor party pulling its head in and out of its backside.

dear Shadow Minister,

after something a little weightier of Molan?

Here you go;

Australian responsibility: the assault on Fallujah
A second case providing detailed evidence for the war crimes prosecution of Australian officials is their direct responsibility for the brutal assaults on Fallujah in late 2004. There are numerous and well documented accusations of war crimes
committed under the direct command of Australian Major General Jim Molan. Noam Chomsky (2006) describes these allegations as ‘far more severe than the [Abu Ghraib] torture scandals’ [20: 73].

http://www.mapw.org.au/files/downloads/doran-anderson-war-crimes-2011%20%282%29.pdf

SR,

Have you actually read the document or looked at the background of the two authors? This article / "discussion paper" by two political scientists is only slightly less lightweight than the other drivel you have produced. That it is introduced by the social justice warrior Noam Chomsky does not lend it any credibility. That the article is full of waffle and very short on facts is not helped by glaring inaccuracies.

That these two claim a wide range of activities to be "war crimes" shows that either they wouldn't recognize the Geneva convention if they tripped over it, or that they are being deliberately misleading.

For example, targeting civilian areas, schools and hospitals is a war crime UNLESS enemy combatants are occupying or using these facilities, similarly neither phosphorus weapons or cluster munitions are prohibited in the GC only in other protocols to which the US are not signatories.

Anderson and Doran have yet to make any case.