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Will the new Deputy PM stand by his opinion of Climate Science?

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In 2010, Michael McCormack, new Leader of the National Party and Deputy Prime Minister, said in his first speech to Parliament, referring to Climate Science, that it was “the nonsense we hear so often spoken by so many who base their views on mere assumptions of what might or might not happen”.

Since then, the 'science' has become even more threadbare, with nature refusing to do what was predicted. Nevertheless, the Turnbull government has barged ahead with the Paris Accord, intent on tossing more of our money to frauds, in what is “arguably the greatest ever economic betrayal of Australians by their government”. (The Spectator Australia 3/3/18).

If Malcolm Turnbull succeeds in reducing the Liberal Party to a small, minor party – which seems to be his intent – there could be a chance for a much more conservative National Party to take control. George Christensen has expressed dissatisfaction with the Coalition, and who knows what could happen, sans Barnaby Joyce, who was a faithful lap dog to Turnbull. A future coalition with Australian Conservatives, perhaps. Anything that would deliver us from the dysfunctional, lefty thing that the Liberal Party has become.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 2 March 2018 2:49:33 PM
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Just what this country needs, a bunch of conservative hayseeds running the show. I thought Barnyard was a big enough fool, then you mentioned Gorgeous George and then I realized there is an even bigger jerk in parliament than the Bonking Barney. And you want them to run the country? Please no never!
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 3 March 2018 4:51:31 AM
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//If Malcolm Turnbull succeeds in reducing the Liberal Party to a small, minor party – which seems to be his intent – there could be a chance for a much more conservative National Party to take control.//

Not likely, given that there are lot more urban electorates then country electorates, and they don't vote National. There are lot of urban electorates where the Nationals don't even bother to put up a candidate, which significantly reduces their chances of electoral success.

//A future coalition with Australian Conservatives, perhaps.//

It would be a pretty small coalition. I think you're rather over-estimating the likely electoral success of Cory's Tories.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Saturday, 3 March 2018 7:08:39 AM
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The ABC director of the two party preferred regime news should know which road Australian politics is taking.
Posted by JF Aus, Saturday, 3 March 2018 6:08:46 PM
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Climate nonsense ? Then how do you explain why the temperature at the North Pole is currently fifty degrees above average, getting into the balmy plus-twenties and thirties ? In the depths of the northern winter ?

And that explains the current blizzard-like conditions over Europe ? Extreme cold in Europe means extreme heat somewhere else. So obvious !

Nonsense indeed !

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Sunday, 4 March 2018 8:48:42 AM
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The Arctic temperatures are still below freezing, Joe, and the bears are actually thriving. However, the 'nonsense' is not about climate change, it's about the made-up cause of climate change; it ain't us, but nature. People like me are called climate change 'deniers' because people can't think of a snappy, short description for people who who have noticed the obvious change in climate, but who do not accept the rent-seeker's idiotic claim that it's our fault and there's something we can do about it. They are too busy to think, intent as they are on extracting as much money from us as they can, with idiots in the Green/Liberal/Labor cabal obliging them.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 4 March 2018 9:24:13 AM
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Hi Ttbn,

Oh dear, irony is wasted on the young :(

But how else can you explain the extreme cold across Europe ? After all, x-x = 0 and there must be balance in world climate. I'll bet some of those polar bears are dying - right now ! - from heat stress. And hunger. Walruses will be boiling in their blubber. That's what new photos will show, and how can you disagree with photos ?

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Sunday, 4 March 2018 9:33:00 AM
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Ttbn,

And this proves it:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/north-pole-thaw-1.4554864

It reports that the entire North Pole has thawed ! All thousand feet of it ! Briefly, there was no ice at all at the North Pole ! Further south, the economy of the Canadian Inuit, who depend entirely on traditional hunting, will somehow be devastated. Warmth in such environments is a disaster !

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Sunday, 4 March 2018 9:40:08 AM
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… and “Polar bears keep thriving even as global warming alarmists keep pretending they're dying”, according to Susan Crockford, Professor of zoology at the University of Victoria, British Columbia and author of works on the 'Holocene history of Arctic animals'.

She says, “Bears are flourishing, making them PHONY icons, and FALSE IDOLS, for global warming alarmists”. The predicted 67% decrease in bears did not happen; in fact, their numbers have been stable or slightly improved. 2016-17 seal numbers have been good, and it is seal pups that the polar bears have been feeding on. The bears have been getting enough food to eat in Spring that they can survive even a longer than normal summer without food. Some bears were slimmer than they were in the 1980s – as reported – but there is no evidence them starving or being to thin to reproduce.

However, starving has always been the leading natural cause of death (well before the climate hysteria took hold), but this is mainly due injury, tooth decay and illness. Baffin Island videos showing emaciated bears convinced only the gullible that only hundreds of bears are left. Studies show that there were 22,000 to to 31,000 bears in 2015, with more recent counts adding a further 2,500 that number.

Not bad, when a 67% loss in polar bears was predicted by the catastropharians
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 4 March 2018 2:25:58 PM
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I hope PM Shorten puts the boot into the liars and kicks them to death.
Royal commissions into IPA/Mudroch/limited news influence, the murray fiasco, various rorts and trough feeding, mr potatohead and everything he does, the NBN disaster, banks, business donations/bribes, the caymans, cash and the AFP, wages, robodebt, job network scam, vocational education scam/tafe destruction et al.
Ending in numerous convictions and jail time.
Then the right can be represented by hanson and bernadi and other heartless nutjobs and bigots and never darken te seats of power ever again.

Come on Bill remember 1975, serf choices, turc, kill bill.
They deserve it.
Posted by mikk, Sunday, 4 March 2018 6:05:05 PM
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Susan Crockford has been associated with think-tank the Heartland Institute, which strongly denies climate change, and spoke at one of its conferences as recently as last spring.

She has published notes and “briefings” through a conservative think tank, the Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF), and is described by them as “an expert on polar bear evolution.”

Considering she she has published almost no peer-reviewed research on polar bears and hasn't done any field studies I wonder where she gets her information?
She appears to cherry-pick data from research and deliberately omits anything that doesn't agree with her "findings".

Crockford says polar bear numbers remain strong and suggests the bears will be able to adapt to changes in sea ice. (So she admits sea ice is changing?)

Most scientists say that while some populations are doing fine, others — especially southern ones — are increasingly unhealthy. They say all populations risk sudden collapse once sea ice shrinks too much.

There was an increase in numbers a while ago due to bans on hunting because artic bears were listed as endangered species due to the effects of global warming.

Crockford is just a paid mouthpiece for denialists using junk science to mislead and misrepresent data and (cute and cuddly) Polar Bear populations are being used as a proxy to attempt to discredit all climate science by association.

Lies always spread faster than truth.
Posted by rache, Monday, 5 March 2018 12:09:28 AM
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"Lies always spread faster than truth".

They sure do! That's why the AGW lie took hold. It was the big lie that people were too lethargic to cotton onto and destroy it. Shonky scientists lied to get grants, and once they started lying, they had to keep lying to bring in the dough.

Rachel is one of the useful idiots who has fallen for the lies and is helping them out.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 5 March 2018 9:07:35 AM
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There is evidence polar bears are under nourished or starving just like seabirds and whales and seafood dependent island people.

Why is fish depletion imoact on marine feeding animals covered up?
Posted by JF Aus, Monday, 5 March 2018 9:09:06 AM
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JF,

Where is the evidence? Like rache you know more than a zoologist and an expert on Artic animals, do you. Polar bears do die of starvation as said, but it has nothing to do with climate change, which is what the liars are claiming.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 5 March 2018 9:38:53 AM
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tbbn,

Polar bears live on ice floes and ice floes are disappearing and some starving bears are moving into populated areas in search of food, but according the Crockford they've never had it so good. There are 19 known groups and all but a few are in trouble.

If I'm "a useful idiot" what does that say about someone who trumpets false claims in the face of official research?

That sort of person must be a special kind of stupid.

Even ExxonMobil have known about AGW since the 70s and have been actively funding denialists and other self-interest groups like The Heartland Institute and the Koch Brothers trot out all sorts of loonies on their payroll to keep deliberately blurring the science.

To claim it's just a sneaky way of getting grants is ridiculous and shows your ignorance of how the system works.

If it's a hoax it must be up there with the faked moon landing.
Maybe Elvis knows.
So who is behind the AGW so-called "hoax"?
The Illuminati?
Jewish Bankers?
The UN trying to create a World Government?
Maybe shape-shifting alien reptilian overlords like Queen Elizabeth (who is also behind the International Drug Trade)?

You're in good company.
Posted by rache, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 12:28:30 AM
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Polar bears normally live on land but hunt on the ice.
See http://polarbearsinternational.org/research/research-qa/are-polar-bear-populations-increasing-in-fact-booming/

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Joe, irony doesn't work in situations where there are people who ironically believe things that are just as stupid.
Posted by Aidan, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 1:43:47 AM
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"If I'm "a useful idiot" what does that say about someone who trumpets false claims in the face of official research?"

Your useful idiocy doesn't make someone other than you anything at all; it makes you one of the liars and ideologues who should be brought to book for the utter nonsense you carry on with.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 8:14:56 AM
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Anyone see the pathetic 4corners show last time. A completely incompetent and desperate attempt to push the man made gw religion. What a waste of tax payer money.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 3:33:21 PM
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The 'Daily Mail' reports that Australia is headed for the coldest winter ever. And, the information comes from the Bureau of Meteorology, which is generally complicit in the AGW hoax.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 9:53:52 AM
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one thing for sure just like the economist the soothsayers have no idea. They get paid huge dollars and are never held to account. A little like working for the abc.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 10:29:06 AM
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Rache your attempt at sarcasm by listing the events you believe to be a send-up are pretty much right. Believe it or not most of the examples you wrote are in fact the truth. I have over time tried to broadcast the major world changing events attributed to the very people you mention. As in the case of CC, we have the close minded majority who want to believe that we caused CC, or is it GW today, I'm not sure. I'll have to wait wait for tomorrows news and see what we're going to call it tomorrow. At some point in a persons life they will come to the realisation that people are corrupt, and most of these corrupt people are in politics. Local, state and federal. After all the three levels of govt are in fact training institutions on how to become a good team member and arse licker. If you follow the rules and show an exceptional ability to lie or speak in fluent 'Political Correctness' or the language better known as 'Lies', then you will graduate and attain such heights in govt as you have never imagined. I caution people that what is going on with the world and it's antics are not man made but simply the natural events that have been going on forever. It shows how greedy some people are to exploit anything they can at any opportunity and at everyones expense. People still don't want to believe that 9/11 was the work of the elite, or more precisely, you know who.
Posted by ALTRAV, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 1:53:07 PM
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Scientists are not the only climate fraudsters and liars getting money from the public purse. Playwright, David Finnigan, guilty of hate crime play, "Kill Climate Deniers", received about $80,000 without the permission of taxpayers. He will get away with inciting hatred (calling for the deaths of sceptics) as well. Some people have even praised his call for the deaths of people he disagrees with.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 3:19:00 PM
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'Playwright, David Finnigan, guilty of hate crime play, "Kill Climate Deniers", received about $80,000 without the permission of taxpayers. '

what do you expect from such an irrational faith based religion. Same as the Pollies who feel the need to join the mardi gras where young kids have filth and perversion celebrated and modelled in their face.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 3:31:15 PM
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ttbn,

Yes, sometimes some people know more than experts, e.g a marine researcher may understand more about ocean ecosystems than a Veterinarian.
Science has become specialized and too focussed while general knowledge has been virtually ignored.

Evidence of polar bears starving?
Bears eat seals, seals depend on capelin and small fish.

Wild and farmed salmon population counts are seriously reduced, considerd due to shortage of food in the wild.
Oil content in farm fed salmon has been reduced nearly 50 percent due to shortage of small oily wild fish worldwide to include in salmon feed. The 50 percent is expected to be reduced further.

Migratory seabirds returning to Australia from Alaskan waters are now emaciated on arrival and mass mortality is occuring.

Fish populations are devastated worldwide causing supply and demand influence to make it viable to engage in aquaculture even with production cost. Cost of wild fish with no feed or maintenance cost is now increasingly higher.

Look at cost of fresh wild fish.

I think all government minister's are going to have to rethink policy to put solutions in place to overcome change to ocean chemistry and devastation of world ocean ecosystems. They should wake up to nutrient pollution feeding algae that is warming areas of ocean lakes and waterways, changing climate locally but not globally at the same time
Posted by JF Aus, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 9:03:30 PM
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